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OleMissCub

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The Braves are getting a new stadium in Cobb County that will be completed in 2017, giving them all of 20 seasons at Turner Field.

 

Better be indoors. Games at Turner, even night games, are just miserable most of the year. Few things worse than it being 9pm and yet sweat is still running down the crack of your ass while you watch a game.

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The Braves are getting a new stadium in Cobb County that will be completed in 2017, giving them all of 20 seasons at Turner Field.

 

In fairness to the Braves, they pretty much did the city a favor by utilizing the Olympic Stadium, putting their own money into it to make it a bit more baseball friendly, and staying there for 20 years of OK attendance despite a very good team. That Olympic Stadium would have been built whether or not the Braves took it over afterwards.

 

This, in my opinion, is far less egregious than the new stadium the Falcons are building right next to their existing stadium that is currently good enough to hold Super Bowls, the SEC title game, and other various college football games and has no additional redeeming quality such as moving to be closer to the fans, etc... You could argue that it will help them keep the SEC game and get a future Super Bowl, but those assumptions are a bit dubious.

 

Overall, both scenarios seem unnecessary, but the football one would chap my ass a bit more if I lived there.

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The Braves are getting a new stadium in Cobb County that will be completed in 2017, giving them all of 20 seasons at Turner Field.

 

In fairness to the Braves, they pretty much did the city a favor by utilizing the Olympic Stadium, putting their own money into it to make it a bit more baseball friendly, and staying there for 20 years of OK attendance despite a very good team. That Olympic Stadium would have been built whether or not the Braves took it over afterwards.

 

This, in my opinion, is far less egregious than the new stadium the Falcons are building right next to their existing stadium that is currently good enough to hold Super Bowls, the SEC title game, and other various college football games and has no additional redeeming quality such as moving to be closer to the fans, etc... You could argue that it will help them keep the SEC game and get a future Super Bowl, but those assumptions are a bit dubious.

 

Overall, both scenarios seem unnecessary, but the football one would chap my ass a bit more if I lived there.

 

i refuse to believe it's almost been 20 years since those olympics. it's simply not true

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I had just turned 20 and was able to go because I have an aunt who lives in the Atlanta area. My two buddies and I were in that stadium the night Michael Johnson broke the world record in the 200m. That was insane.
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I had just turned 20 and was able to go because I have an aunt who lives in the Atlanta area. My two buddies and I were in that stadium the night Michael Johnson broke the world record in the 200m. That was insane.

 

One of the coolest sports moments of our lives.

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I had just turned 20 and was able to go because I have an aunt who lives in the Atlanta area. My two buddies and I were in that stadium the night Michael Johnson broke the world record in the 200m. That was insane.

 

One of the coolest sports moments of our lives.

Agreed. Those gold shoes were awesome. If I recall correctly, he was kinda late getting out of the blocks, but had made up most of the stagger from lane 3 by about 3/4 of the way around the turn. I was a 400/800 runner in HS, so I was more partial to his 400m race. He made up the stagger by about 200m in... let up quite a bit towards the end and still won by a second.

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I had just turned 20 and was able to go because I have an aunt who lives in the Atlanta area. My two buddies and I were in that stadium the night Michael Johnson broke the world record in the 200m. That was insane.

 

One of the coolest sports moments of our lives.

Agreed. Those gold shoes were awesome. If I recall correctly, he was kinda late getting out of the blocks, but had made up most of the stagger from lane 3 by about 3/4 of the way around the turn. I was a 400/800 runner in HS, so I was more partial to his 400m race. He made up the stagger by about 200m in... let up quite a bit towards the end and still won by a second.

 

I was at about 110m and had a great view of them coming out of the turn. He pretty much was even or just a little ahead of the rest of the runners and he looked like he got shot out of a cannon coming out of the turn. The burst he put on from 80-120m was just unreal. That and the wave of flash bulbs as they went around the turn are my two most vivid memories of that 19 seconds of my life.

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I had just turned 20 and was able to go because I have an aunt who lives in the Atlanta area. My two buddies and I were in that stadium the night Michael Johnson broke the world record in the 200m. That was insane.

 

One of the coolest sports moments of our lives.

Agreed. Those gold shoes were awesome. If I recall correctly, he was kinda late getting out of the blocks, but had made up most of the stagger from lane 3 by about 3/4 of the way around the turn. I was a 400/800 runner in HS, so I was more partial to his 400m race. He made up the stagger by about 200m in... let up quite a bit towards the end and still won by a second.

 

I was at about 110m and had a great view of them coming out of the turn. He pretty much was even or just a little ahead of the rest of the runners and he looked like he got shot out of a cannon coming out of the turn. The burst he put on from 80-120m was just unreal. That and the wave of flash bulbs as they went around the turn are my two most vivid memories of that 19 seconds of my life.

100% jealous of you right now. Even going back and watching it on youtube gives me shivers.

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Law's twitter has been pretty good over the last hour since the MVP votes came out.

 

 

Also some real gold coming out as ballots are revealed. Molina received 2 first place votes, the only 2 guys who voted for him first were from STL, another NL ballot (Rick Hummel) Molina 1st, Matt Carpenter 2nd, Kimbrel 4th, Russell Martin 10th and some guy, from Boston I think, voted for Trout 7th. Trout only received 5 first place votes, SMH

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Saw this posted on a Brewer message board. #NotAnMVP

 

Was looking up some three year totals (2011-13) on the fangraphs leaderboards today and noticed that despite 134 fewer games & 547 fewer plate appearances Mike Trout has the exact same WAR (21.1) as Miguel Cabrera.
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fWAR doesn't really do Miggy justice, imo

 

for that same 3-year span, here are his situational splits:

Bases Empty:   1035 PA	.321/.397/.570 (.417 wOBA)
w/ Runners On: 1002 PA	.361/.458/.652 (.457 wOBA)
w/ RISP:        606 PA	.379/.490/.675 (.468 wOBA)

using his overall line and plugging in LW values for each event, as WAR does, assumes that he's hit no differently in high-leverage/clutch situations which are often much more valuable to the team; it paints an inaccurate picture of what actually happened

 

so it's worth noting during that same span, he's been about 6 Context Neutral Wins better than Trout

 

fwiw, Trout's hit for a .380 wOBA w/runners on vs. .421 with bases empty during that span

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20131119/worst-positions/

 

Len Kasper tweeted a link to this Verducci column, noting that he really liked the Billy Beane quote:

 

Before the playoffs began, I asked A's general manager Billy Beane what he liked best about his club. "Baseball teams are very mathematical," he said. "You can have a star player like Mike Trout and completely nullify his performance if you have two players that are really bad. We don't have bad players. All 25 players are very specific players with very specific roles.

"We're a mutual fund, and we're a value fund. We've got a bunch of equities earning three to nine percent. We don't have a 20 percent and we don't have a negative 20 percent."

Oakland was one of just 10 teams last year that did not have a player qualify for the batting title with an adjusted OPS of 100 or less. Six of those teams made the playoffs. The lesson is to avoid the negative-20-percenters. Don't give too much playing time to lousy players, which can negate the advantages of your very good players -- and if you do have such a problem, fix it.

 

This sort of thing is why the 2008 Cubs were so good. They didn't have much in the way of superstars performing above and beyond, but they had no weak links. The problem with so many other Hendry era Cubs teams is they had several black hole positions that weighed heavily on the team. The current team is filled with even fewer high end performers but with just as many black hole types. OPS+ isn't the best way to go about judging the weakest links, but it gives you a pretty good indication where the weaknesses lie.

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I agree with the idea there, but for reference, the 2008 Cubs had 2 players with an OPS+ below 100, and 5 above 115. The 2013 Cubs had only 2 below 100 as well when you consider the platoons(Valbuena/Murphy, Lake taking DeJesus' spot after the trade), but they had zero hitters with an OPS+ above 115. The good news is that there's already potential for several of those 115+ guys(Rizzo, Castro, Sweeney or Nate platooning with Lake, maybe Castillo), so if they add another they should be decently balanced offense, especially once Baez comes for Barney(or whoever is manning 2B).

 

Also, not really relevant, but interesting to me: Theriot had a 93 OPS+ in 2008 with a .745 OPS, Castillo had a 104 OPS+ with a .746 OPS.

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