Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[RammyFanny]

So....it looks like I was pretty spot on about paying the rest of Dempster's deal for a better return.

 

2. Ryan Dempster is being paid $13.5 million this season, which means that any team that traded for him now would owe him about $8 million. But what the Chicago Cubs need desperately is prospects, and so sources say they're essentially willing to buy them -- by paying down as much of Dempster's salary for the rest of the year to pry good young players away from an interested team, such as the Red Sox or Los Angeles Dodgers.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/olney_buster/id/8062718/ryan-braun-putting-mvp-numbers-creating-dilemma-voters-mlb

 

Rosenthal also backed this up in a video.

[Guest]

Youre not getting Lee. Ask for him, settled for a lesser prospect or 2 who would still be an acceptable return.

 

so eovaldi, webster, or gould? got to get one of those guys if they want dempster.

I would add Reed to your list, but yes.

 

IIRC, Law and some others are higher on Gould than Lee right now anyway.

[davell]

I would prefer Eovaldi to Lee myself. It seems like there's too many scouting reports calling Lee a future innings eater and none saying he has TOR potential. Perfect scenario for us with the Dodgets is Eovaldi and Tolleson. Likely scenario is Gould, Withrow, and Tolleson, in my opinion. And if you look at that trade value chart or whatever it is at ObstructedView, even that's way too much value to be getting back for the rest of Dempster's season, which is certainly going to regress quite a bit, in all likelihood.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

It only makes sense that we offer to pay the bulk of Dempster or Soriano's remaining salary in any trades. The new CBA has limited our ability to outspend other clubs in the draft and with international free agents, while the FA pool is thinning with more franchises locking up their talent with team-friendly deals. The Cubs have money, but can't spend it in the draft or on attractive free gents. Although I wouldn't quite label it a new "market inefficiency," buying prospects via trades is honestly our best option to upping the overall talent level of the organization.

[Guest]

Yeah, I like the idea of Eovaldi and Tolleson for Dempster quite a bit.

[Backtobanks]

It only makes sense that we offer to pay the bulk of Dempster or Soriano's remaining salary in any trades. The new CBA has limited our ability to outspend other clubs in the draft and with international free agents, while the FA pool is thinning with more franchises locking up their talent with team-friendly deals. The Cubs have money, but can't spend it in the draft or on attractive free gents. Although I wouldn't quite label it a new "market inefficiency," buying prospects via trades is honestly our best option to upping the overall talent level of the organization.

 

Better to spend it on possible future talent than sitting in Ricketts' pocket.

[davell]

The longer we wait, the worse the return. Of course, it means the other teams need to be willing to pull the trigger now as well. Before other guys possibly hit the market. Plus, I don't want to see us have both Dempster AND Garza available at the same time anyway, because it could make it even harder to get a team to commit on Dempster. I hope he's gone before he makes another start and then, it gives us a little more time to evaluate whatever it is we're to do with Garza. But, it'd be really nice to see us have the top two available guys on the market in a season where there's very few sellers. at this point, maybe even the return on Dempster has an affect on what we wind up doing with Garza, as it is. Adding Eovaldi, for instance, could make it more likely we keep him. Adding any of their other guys, probably makes it more likely Garza's dealt.

[Guest]

I would prefer Eovaldi to Lee myself. It seems like there's too many scouting reports calling Lee a future innings eater and none saying he has TOR potential. Perfect scenario for us with the Dodgets is Eovaldi and Tolleson. Likely scenario is Gould, Withrow, and Tolleson, in my opinion. And if you look at that trade value chart or whatever it is at ObstructedView, even that's way too much value to be getting back for the rest of Dempster's season, which is certainly going to regress quite a bit, in all likelihood.

 

I think Lee has #2 potential.

 

I would love to get an arm like Gould's in the system.

[davell]

Gould becomes our top arm, if it were to be him. Hell, Withrow still makes our top 12-15 prospects most likely. Tolleson has closer ability. I think I'm to the point where I hope the Dodgers come out on top for Dempster. They fit what we need very well.

[rawaction]

Yeah, I like the idea of Eovaldi and Tolleson for Dempster quite a bit.

 

Tolleson definitely fits with the statement regarding hard-throwing strike throwers and the bullpen recently. I'd put decent money that he's a target in any trade with the Dodgers. Eovaldi is a guy that could slot in the Cubs rotation now. I'd like this trade a lot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Honestly, I think that we're at the point where we have plenty of low level prospect for the future. While the plan seems to be geared toward the next 3-5 years, we need something for the immediate future. This brings me to the White Sox, who are in win now and to hell with the future. Any chance we could sell them on Dempster, Soriano(with us picking up around 95% of the tab) and there pick of our junk (Johnson, Baker, Mather, Camp, Corpas) for Viciedo, Jose Quintana, who's off to quite a start, but I havnt seen him and for all I know it could be another 2009 Randy Wells type thing) and a few fringe prospects (basically every prospect they have) or lottery tickets. Maybe Jared Mitchell, Nestor Molina, or Jordan Danks.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Honestly, I think that we're at the point where we have plenty of low level prospect for the future. While the plan seems to be geared toward the next 3-5 years, we need something for the immediate future. This brings me to the White Sox, who are in win now and to hell with the future. Any chance we could sell them on Dempster, Soriano(with us picking up around 95% of the tab) and there pick of our junk (Johnson, Baker, Mather, Camp, Corpas) for Viciedo, Jose Quintana, who's off to quite a start, but I havnt seen him and for all I know it could be another 2009 Randy Wells type thing) and a few fringe prospects (basically every prospect they have) or lottery tickets. Maybe Jared Mitchell, Nestor Molina, or Jordan Danks.

 

I don't think diluting Dempster's trade value by packaging him w/ Sori is such a good idea.

[erik316wttn]

Yeah, I like the idea of Eovaldi and Tolleson for Dempster quite a bit.

 

Tolleson definitely fits with the statement regarding hard-throwing strike throwers and the bullpen recently. I'd put decent money that he's a target in any trade with the Dodgers. Eovaldi is a guy that could slot in the Cubs rotation now. I'd like this trade a lot.

 

I'd kiss Theo on the mouth if he could pull that trade off.

[davell]

WSR, why would you want to lessen Dempster's value, by putting Soriano with him? Secondly, we want and NEED pitching. Viciedo makes no sense at all. He's horrible defensively and has no approach or plate discipline. I doubt Theo wants to build a package around that, especially considering the need for arms. Quintana? Who knows? But there's a right and wrong time dealing for a guy and right now isn't it. Let him go through the league a little more and see what he becomes. He's probably getting by because no one's familiar with him yet.

[CincyCubsFan]

WSR, why would you want to lessen Dempster's value, by putting Soriano with him? Secondly, we want and NEED pitching. Viciedo makes no sense at all. He's horrible defensively and has no approach or plate discipline. I doubt Theo wants to build a package around that, especially considering the need for arms. Quintana? Who knows? But there's a right and wrong time dealing for a guy and right now isn't it. Let him go through the league a little more and see what he becomes. He's probably getting by because no one's familiar with him yet.

 

WSR would "just assume" get him some lottery tickets, I guess.

[Little Slide Rooter]

WSR, why would you want to lessen Dempster's value, by putting Soriano with him? Secondly, we want and NEED pitching. Viciedo makes no sense at all. He's horrible defensively and has no approach or plate discipline. I doubt Theo wants to build a package around that, especially considering the need for arms. Quintana? Who knows? But there's a right and wrong time dealing for a guy and right now isn't it. Let him go through the league a little more and see what he becomes. He's probably getting by because no one's familiar with him yet.

 

WSR would "just assume" get him some lottery tickets, I guess.

 

Hey a cleverly written grammar joke. However, the opposite is true. Lottery tickets tend to be lower level guys. What I want is guys to help out in the near future. We have Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, and maybe Vitters and Castillo to build around for 2013-2014. Whoever we trade Dempster for, why not get some guys that can be of use in 2013? Viciedo and Quintana could fit that mold, though I admit both are very iffy.

 

As for lessening Dempsters trade value, I only brought up Soriano because of the fact that the Sox are in win now, damn the future mode. Even if we could get Viciedo and Quintana for Dempster+junk, maybe they'd also want Soriano for some lower level guys, because they could be one of the best fits for him.

[bleedingblue]

Olney says Dempster maybe traded in the next 10-to-14 days to either Red Sox/Dodgers.

 

[Guest]

WSR, why would you want to lessen Dempster's value, by putting Soriano with him? Secondly, we want and NEED pitching. Viciedo makes no sense at all. He's horrible defensively and has no approach or plate discipline. I doubt Theo wants to build a package around that, especially considering the need for arms. Quintana? Who knows? But there's a right and wrong time dealing for a guy and right now isn't it. Let him go through the league a little more and see what he becomes. He's probably getting by because no one's familiar with him yet.

 

WSR would "just assume" get him some lottery tickets, I guess.

 

Hey a cleverly written grammar joke. However, the opposite is true. Lottery tickets tend to be lower level guys. What I want is guys to help out in the near future. We have Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, and maybe Vitters and Castillo to build around for 2013-2014. Whoever we trade Dempster for, why not get some guys that can be of use in 2013? Viciedo and Quintana could fit that mold, though I admit both are very iffy.

 

As for lessening Dempsters trade value, I only brought up Soriano because of the fact that the Sox are in win now, damn the future mode. Even if we could get Viciedo and Quintana for Dempster+junk, maybe they'd also want Soriano for some lower level guys, because they could be one of the best fits for him.

 

The trade packages talked about with the Dodgers in this thread, which are completely plausible, are much better than anything the White Sox have to offer.

[davell]

The Dodgers are a much better fit for Dempster and Garza is much better suited for the Red Sox. Barnes is too much for them to give up for Dempster. I like Henry Owens a ton, but I want something closer to the majors as a headliner than that. I like Alex Wilson and evidently the Cubs did too, at one point. Since we drafted him previously. Owens and Wilson for Dempster? The dodgers just fit better. Then we could get Barnes and Owens, plus more possibly, for Garza.

[soonercub]

The Nats are staying in the race and have said they will shut down Strasburg before the end of the year. I know our priority is pitching and they traded a lot to get Gio. Could Demp get us Rendon and a pitching prospect? Would Rendon interest us?

[javy knows my name]

The Nats are staying in the race and have said they will shut down Strasburg before the end of the year. I know our priority is pitching and they traded a lot to get Gio. Could Demp get us Rendon and a pitching prospect? Would Rendon interest us?

 

Demp wouldn't get Rendon straight-up. The Nationals would be fools to do that.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

The Nats are staying in the race and have said they will shut down Strasburg before the end of the year. I know our priority is pitching and they traded a lot to get Gio. Could Demp get us Rendon and a pitching prospect? Would Rendon interest us?

Throw in Rizzo and maybe the Nats might not hang up in under 5 seconds.

[davell]

With Rendon's injury issues, I doubt he's a guy we'd look at. For Dempster? Sure. But he's a guy they want to build around anyway, if possible.

[davell]

Blue Jays are talking to the Rockies about Guthrie. Makes sense, with them being so injured now. Wouldn't cost much either, just a stopgap until they either get healthy or fall out of it. Probably takes them out on Dempster, but if they stay in the race, I guess Garza becomes a target for them by the deadline.

[Tryptamine]

Blue Jays are talking to the Rockies about Guthrie. Makes sense, with them being so injured now. Wouldn't cost much either, just a stopgap until they either get healthy or fall out of it. Probably takes them out on Dempster, but if they stay in the race, I guess Garza becomes a target for them by the deadline.

 

Guthrie is just absolutely horrifically bad. Brett Cecil could do whatever Guthrie could do and that's free.