Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[Formerly Snayke]

Plus I was poking fun at Raw for saying Ohio State isn't any good.

[Exile on Waveland]

Moreover, Minnesota is No. 24 in Pomeroy and Iowa is No. 30, meaning they are ranked higher than all but two SEC teams (and Purdue is ranked higher than all but four (!) SEC teams). If those are some of the easier games on your schedule, your schedule is brutal.

 

KenPom is a great tool, but let's not be dogmatic here.

 

This is pretty funny. I've almost certainly been the most adamant poster on this very issue--that Pomeroy is a great tool, but not the gospels. Yet, in a previous argument with the poster we're talking about, I was informed that Florida was better than IU because Pomeroy said so. By that same logic, playing Minnesota (No. 24) and Iowa (No. 30) makes for a difficult schedule.

[Exile on Waveland]

And that poster said Ohio State was the weakest of the five Big Ten teams in Pomeroy's top-11, not that Ohio State wasn't very good.

 

But I am ashamed of the Ohio St. loss. I just dont think they are a very good team. I think Illinois is a more complete team actually.

 

Hmm, nope don't see anything about that being about Pomeroy's Top 11.

 

I forgot that, I stand corrected. I thought you referring to that same poster's more recent comment regarding Ohio State, which indicated what I said.

[Exile on Waveland]

AJ Hammons and Ronnie Johnson are both in the top 10 all-time for points scored by a Purdue freshman. Rapheal Davis was just named B1G Freshman of the Week.

 

Johnson is 2nd all time in assists by a Purdue freshman.

 

Hammons is already 14th all-time at Purdue for career blocked shots.

 

If they don't beat Nebraska and Ohio State they may become the first B1G program to accept an invite to the CBI tournament. Maybe that's 'embarassing' but they're playing their best basketball of the year right now so I'm all for more experience for the young guys.

 

I don't see why. Purdue has improved quite a bit and is playing much better. It would have been pretty easy for them to quit on the season, it says a lot that they did not. No reason they should refuse to keep playing out of foolish pride.

[Formerly Snayke]

Yet, in a previous argument with the poster we're talking about, I was informed that Florida was better than IU because Pomeroy said so. By that same logic, playing Minnesota (No. 24) and Iowa (No. 30) makes for a difficult schedule.

 

Me? I put Florida ahead of IU based on them being ranked second respectively in offense and defense by Kenpom, plus playing a more difficult schedule. Over the last few weeks though I think this has changed even though KP still has them No. 1.

[Formerly Snayke]

I forgot that, I stand corrected. I thought you referring to that same poster's more recent comment regarding Ohio State, which indicated what I said.

 

FTR, I think Raw is full of crap on OSU not being good.

[Smack]

AJ Hammons and Ronnie Johnson are both in the top 10 all-time for points scored by a Purdue freshman. Rapheal Davis was just named B1G Freshman of the Week.

 

Johnson is 2nd all time in assists by a Purdue freshman.

 

Hammons is already 14th all-time at Purdue for career blocked shots.

 

If they don't beat Nebraska and Ohio State they may become the first B1G program to accept an invite to the CBI tournament. Maybe that's 'embarassing' but they're playing their best basketball of the year right now so I'm all for more experience for the young guys.

 

I don't see why. Purdue has improved quite a bit and is playing much better. It would have been pretty easy for them to quit on the season, it says a lot that they did not. No reason they should refuse to keep playing out of foolish pride.

 

Painter openly said today that they would push for the CBI. I'm all for it as a fan, but we will get cracked on for being the first B1G team to do it. Hopefully we win two more and make the NIT, or four more.... 8-)

[OleMissCub]

Mizzou guys. Looks like we might be gearing up for a big game Friday night at 9. Rebels play the winner of Mizzou v. T&AM/AUB at that time.

 

Tip for how to ALWAYS beat Ole Miss: catch Marshall Henderson on a bad day. The team 100% lives and dies by him.

[Exile on Waveland]

Yet, in a previous argument with the poster we're talking about, I was informed that Florida was better than IU because Pomeroy said so. By that same logic, playing Minnesota (No. 24) and Iowa (No. 30) makes for a difficult schedule.

 

Me? I put Florida ahead of IU based on them being ranked second respectively in offense and defense by Kenpom, plus playing a more difficult schedule. Over the last few weeks though I think this has changed even though KP still has them No. 1.

 

Yes. The schedule thing is a big issue. The efficiency numbers are equalized for schedule--and thus Florida's efficiency rankings are telling (though maybe they should be efficient in close games and not just blowouts?)--but the schedule strength isn't equalized for context. Initially, IU now has a better record against the No. 22 schedule than Florida does against the No. 47 schedule (and IU has five wins better than Florida's best, including three being on the road). Regardless, the only reason Florida's schedule was ranked higher at the time was their non-conference schedule was No. 55 and IU's was No. 287. But a large part of that was IU scheduling so many bottom-feeders--ask any Iowa fan about this--but beating No. 200 or No. 250 or No. 300 is essentially the same when we're talking about teams at IU or Florida's level. Those teams are all sacrificial lambs against IU or Florida or Louisville or Duke.

 

None of this is to say Florida isn't better than IU, there are reasons to believe that (right now, I'd probably finger Louisville as the favorite, and they're ranked third). But a 0.0069 difference in Pomeroy isn't very convincing.

[Formerly Snayke]

Mizzou guys. Looks like we might be gearing up for a big game Friday night at 9. Rebels play the winner of Mizzou v. T&AM/AUB at that time.

 

Tip for how to ALWAYS beat Ole Miss: catch Marshall Henderson on a bad day. The team 100% lives and dies by him.

 

Tip for beating Missouri: get ahead in the final 30 seconds so that Phil Pressey will chuck up a 3-pointer.

[rawaction]

I forgot that, I stand corrected. I thought you referring to that same poster's more recent comment regarding Ohio State, which indicated what I said.

 

FTR, I think Raw is full of crap on OSU not being good.

I don't think they are that good. Didn't say they weren't any good. I think they were the worst team iu lost to this year, though Butler is making a strong case. Thomas is a black hole of offense. When Craft takes control and they play d like they did against us they can beat most teams. But I still think they are the most likely high seed to lose the first weekend.

[SouthSideRyan]

AJ Hammons and Ronnie Johnson are both in the top 10 all-time for points scored by a Purdue freshman. Rapheal Davis was just named B1G Freshman of the Week.

 

Johnson is 2nd all time in assists by a Purdue freshman.

 

Hammons is already 14th all-time at Purdue for career blocked shots.

 

If they don't beat Nebraska and Ohio State they may become the first B1G program to accept an invite to the CBI tournament. Maybe that's 'embarassing' but they're playing their best basketball of the year right now so I'm all for more experience for the young guys.

 

I don't think the Big Ten allows their teams to go to the CBI or CIT

[SouthSideRyan]

DeShaun Thomas is a black hole of offense???

[rawaction]

DeShaun Thomas is a black hole of offense???

 

Lol. Yeah that made no sense. Basically when he gets the ball it goes toward the basket and the offense stops moving.

[Magnetic Curses]

when deshaun thomas passes, it is a surprise to everyone on the court.

[Derwood]

Local sentiment about Ohio State is that no one knows that they're going to do come tourney time. They could be a first game loser, or they could make a deep run. Their defense is very good, but if Thomas is the only guy scoring, they're in trouble

[Formerly Snayke]

Crean's smile after that tirade is what I imagine serial killers have after chopping up a victim. That was creepy.

[rawaction]

B1G awards are out. Burke is player of the year. Joined by Zeller, Thomas, Oladipo and either Craft or Hardaway Jr on coaches or media teams. Ryan gets coach of the year, probably because Crean is a douche. HArris freshman of the year.

[Sosa21MVP]

B1G awards are out. Burke is player of the year. Joined by Zeller, Thomas, Oladipo and either Craft or Hardaway Jr on coaches or media teams. Ryan gets coach of the year, probably because Crean is a douche. HArris freshman of the year.

 

Peter Jurkin got robbed!

[hawkeyecub]

Moreover, Minnesota is No. 24 in Pomeroy and Iowa is No. 30, meaning they are ranked higher than all but two SEC teams (and Purdue is ranked higher than all but four (!) SEC teams). If those are some of the easier games on your schedule, your schedule is brutal.

 

KenPom is a great tool, but let's not be dogmatic here. Purdue is terrible, Iowa is not good, and Minnesota appears to be a much different team with how they've sank like a stone in the second half(5-10 in their last 15 with losses to Purdue, Northwestern, and Nebraska).

You're going to have to explain to me how this is pragmatic.

 

In the interests of brevity, I didn't go into a paragraphs-long description about exactly why 15-16 Purdue is terrible, why unanimous edge of the bubble team Iowa is not good, and why jumped-off-a-cliff Minnesota is probably a worse team now than their statistical profile would suggest. I have enough faith in the community here that they can see the point being made.

 

Wait, Pomeroy's numbers are invalidated because they're on the edge of the bubble? When they're solely on the edge of the bubble because of the awful RPI?

 

The only thing "not good" about Iowa is their NC SOS. They beat five 300+ teams by 30 instead of beating 180-225 teams by 10. That's why they're on the edge of the bubble. Oh and that they played in the toughest league in the country instead of finishing 2nd or 3rd in the SEC. They're one of the youngest teams in the country and played like [expletive] against a Va. Tech team that was playing well at the time. They were 8-0 after beating Iowa and then Oklahoma St. by 10.

 

6 of their 9 Big Ten losses were by 4 points or less. The only losses they had that weren't that close were at UM, IU and OSU. 4 of them to IU, MSU, at Minnesota and at Wisconsin in 2 OT. In each of the games they led in the final minute and had some ridiculous bad luck along with some misses of their own.

 

They're not a great team and they made their own bed with scheduling and not closing out a number of winnable games. I just don't follow your logic here.

[Guest]

Moreover, Minnesota is No. 24 in Pomeroy and Iowa is No. 30, meaning they are ranked higher than all but two SEC teams (and Purdue is ranked higher than all but four (!) SEC teams). If those are some of the easier games on your schedule, your schedule is brutal.

 

KenPom is a great tool, but let's not be dogmatic here. Purdue is terrible, Iowa is not good, and Minnesota appears to be a much different team with how they've sank like a stone in the second half(5-10 in their last 15 with losses to Purdue, Northwestern, and Nebraska).

You're going to have to explain to me how this is pragmatic.

 

In the interests of brevity, I didn't go into a paragraphs-long description about exactly why 15-16 Purdue is terrible, why unanimous edge of the bubble team Iowa is not good, and why jumped-off-a-cliff Minnesota is probably a worse team now than their statistical profile would suggest. I have enough faith in the community here that they can see the point being made.

 

Wait, Pomeroy's numbers are invalidated because they're on the edge of the bubble? When they're solely on the edge of the bubble because of the awful RPI?

 

The only thing "not good" about Iowa is their NC SOS. They beat five 300+ teams by 30 instead of beating 180-225 teams by 10. That's why they're on the edge of the bubble. Oh and that they played in the toughest league in the country instead of finishing 2nd or 3rd in the SEC. They're one of the youngest teams in the country and played like [expletive] against a Va. Tech team that was playing well at the time. They were 8-0 after beating Iowa and then Oklahoma St. by 10.

 

6 of their 9 Big Ten losses were by 4 points or less. The only losses they had that weren't that close were at UM, IU and OSU. 4 of them to IU, MSU, at Minnesota and at Wisconsin in 2 OT. In each of the games they led in the final minute and had some ridiculous bad luck along with some misses of their own.

 

They're not a great team and they made their own bed with scheduling and not closing out a number of winnable games. I just don't follow your logic here.

 

They're on the edge of the bubble because of the whole of the resume, not just because of non-conference SOS shenanigans. They're 4-8 against likely tournament teams. They have multiple losses outside the top 100. They played in the toughest conference but played all of the dregs twice and only 2 of the top half twice(they certainly would not be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the SEC). They're an okay team that's rightly on the edge of the bubble, and to again reiterate the original point, they are definitely not someone who you point to as evidence that you've been playing a brutal stretch of games.

[abuck1220]

their non conf SOS isn't the only "not good" thing about them. they did zip against the upper echelon of the conference and fortunately/unfortunately played the four dregs of the conference 2x where they racked up 2/3 of their wins (and 2 of their losses, which also hurts).

 

if they would have managed ONE win vs IU/mich/osu/msu they'd probably be in.

[abuck1220]

also their best road win is purdue.

[EhDubya]

Local sentiment about Ohio State is that no one knows that they're going to do come tourney time. They could be a first game loser, or they could make a deep run. Their defense is very good, but if Thomas is the only guy scoring, they're in trouble

 

Breaking news from Columbus: people can't predict future, don't know if local team will win or lose their games. Story at 11.

[Derwood]

Local sentiment about Ohio State is that no one knows that they're going to do come tourney time. They could be a first game loser, or they could make a deep run. Their defense is very good, but if Thomas is the only guy scoring, they're in trouble

 

Breaking news from Columbus: people can't predict future, don't know if local team will win or lose their games. Story at 11.

 

Just saying that their isn't a ton of confidence in the team, though the Indiana win is getting people a little excited