Stewart/Dewitt swap?

[Little Slide Rooter]

So we're back to the Stewart isn't any good refrain?

 

Yes. He's not awful, but he's not good in any way.

 

There's way more certainty in Stewart's performance than just throwing AAAA guys at a wall.

 

Way more certainty for a guy coming off a .464 OPS season and is coming off a major wrist injury?

 

2.5 mil is nothing in baseball money. Your paying for potential here and if it doesn't work out oh well if all you give up is someone who would be non tendered anyway.

[Outshined_One]

Considering the FA market is absolutely wretched at 3B this offseason, rolling the dice with Stewart wouldn't be a bad move. He'd at the very least be an upgrade over DeWitt.

[Splendid Splinter]

Why not get Stewart and let him play 3B and see if it works out? Or just have Stewart/Baker platoon at 3B? A Stewart/Baker platoon would probably be pretty good IMO that would cost like 4 mil or so... Don't forget defensively would be upgrade over A Ram which would help out Castro some.

[d_money]

Didn't Ian Stewart sing "Year of the Cat"?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why not get Stewart and let him play 3B and see if it works out? Or just have Stewart/Baker platoon at 3B? A Stewart/Baker platoon would probably be pretty good IMO that would cost like 4 mil or so... Don't forget defensively would be upgrade over A Ram which would help out Castro some.

 

It's not a terrible option, but it's kind of expensive for what you'd likely get, and what you'd get isn't *that* great. It's only Dec. 3, so it's a little early to be settling for something like that.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why not get Stewart and let him play 3B and see if it works out? Or just have Stewart/Baker platoon at 3B? A Stewart/Baker platoon would probably be pretty good IMO that would cost like 4 mil or so... Don't forget defensively would be upgrade over A Ram which would help out Castro some.

 

It's not a terrible option, but it's kind of expensive for what you'd likely get, and what you'd get isn't *that* great. It's only Dec. 3, so it's a little early to be settling for something like that.

 

It's not expensive at all. It's a risk that should be taken regardless. I'm not sure what you expect to pop up on the market for 3rd baseman. The FA market is awful beyind Aramis. as for trade, Headley, Wright, and Mark Reynolds could be available. Even if we did acquire Stewart for Tyler Colvin plus a few mil, if one of those other guys became available and Epstein and Hoyer were interested I don't think Stewart would hold them back from getting them.

[dew1679666265]

Maybe if the Cubs were willing to eat most of Marmol's contract over the next two years. If the Padres wanted to spend that kind of money, they could have resigned Bell. Bailey won't make much more than 2m next year and he'd be a hot trade commodity at the deadline next year when San Diego falls out of contention. A team with payroll constraints like the Padres can't afford to spend 8-9m on a closer.

 

The Padres could have a real interest in Marmol over Bell. Bell is 33 years old and just signed for 3 years, Marmol is 29 and is signed for just 2 more seasons. I could see the Padres having an interest in some version of a Marmol/Headley swap on two conditions:

 

1) The Cubs pay around half Marmol's salary each year - say 3.5 next year and 4.5 in 2013. That'd have SD on the hook for $3.5 in 2012 and $5.3 in 2013, probably only a slight raise each year over what Headley would be in store for. This benefits the Cubs as well as we acquire Headley without adding to payroll in any real way.

2) They don't believe Marmol's arm will fall off in the next couple of years. This is the bigger problem with this trade, I think.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not expensive at all.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Hendry.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It's not expensive at all.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Hendry.

 

Because taking a 1 year chance on a 26 year old one time prospect is the same as giving multi year deals to flotsam like Miles,Grabow, and Neifi.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not expensive at all.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Hendry.

 

Because taking a 1 year chance on a 26 year old one time prospect is the same as giving multi year deals to flotsam like Miles,Grabow, and Neifi.

 

Deciding that paying an extra million or two to a guy who should probably be non-tendered is no big deal is classic Hendry.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It's not expensive at all.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Hendry.

 

Because taking a 1 year chance on a 26 year old one time prospect is the same as giving multi year deals to flotsam like Miles,Grabow, and Neifi.

 

Deciding that paying an extra million or two to a guy who should probably be non-tendered is no big deal is classic Hendry.

 

Such as? I cant think of a single time where he weant after a high reward player like this. Hendry was all about veterans. He did go for a few reclamation projects like Dempster, Scott Williamson, Wade Miller, Chad Fox, Chad Tracy and of course Jim Edmonds but that was the extent of his risk taking unless we're talking big money guys. I guarantee that if Stewart were non tendered hed have his share of suiters.

[davell]

I certainly see why Theo would move slowly on Stewart, if he is. He could get non tendered soon. And if he did, no team is going to give him more than the 3mill or so, he's likely to get thru arbitration. I think it's great we're concerned with every single cent we spend. If we wait this out and can sign him for a mill or so less than if we traded for him, then great. Plus, it could possibly save us a prospect we could use in another deal. Not to mention, if we think Headley or someone else not on our radar is going to be able to be had reasonably, then we're not closing ourselves in too quickly with someone who definitely is a question mark, even if he does have potential to be solid. If he winds up as our 3rd baseman next year, I'm perfectly fine with it, but exhausting all other options before committing to him is the right thing to do.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Such as? I cant think of a single time where he weant after a high reward player like this. Hendry was all about veterans. He did go for a few reclamation projects like Dempster, Scott Williamson, Wade Miller, Chad Fox, Chad Tracy and of course Jim Edmonds but that was the extent of his risk taking unless we're talking big money guys. I guarantee that if Stewart were non tendered hed have his share of suiters.

 

I wasn't talking about this specific player. I was talking about your repeated assertions that a $2 million overpay is nothing because it's an insignificant amount of money in baseball.

[davell]

The Rockies supposedly want either Colvin from the Cubs, Headley from the Pads, or Alvarez from the Pirates for Stewart. We're getting off really cheap aren't we? Plus, if Alvarez is available, we should be after him anyway.

[Cubswin11]

The Rockies supposedly want either Colvin from the Cubs, Headley from the Pads, or Alvarez from the Pirates for Stewart. We're getting off really cheap aren't we? Plus, if Alvarez is available, we should be after him anyway.

In what universe does Colvin have the same value as those two guys???

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Rockies supposedly want either Colvin from the Cubs, Headley from the Pads, or Alvarez from the Pirates for Stewart. We're getting off really cheap aren't we? Plus, if Alvarez is available, we should be after him anyway.

In what universe does Colvin have the same value as those two guys???

 

I don't know, but we should milk it for whatever we can.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Cubs, Diamondbacks Interested In Stewart

By Mike Axisa [December 4 at 7:10pm CST]

SUNDAY: The Orioles, Mariners, Pirates, and Angels have also inquired on Ian Stewart, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

 

6:13pm: In addition to the Cubs, the Diamondbacks are also interested in Stewart, tweets Jon Heyman of SI.  The 26-year-old is very likely to go somewhere, according to Heyman.

 

I'm definitely interested in Stewart but have no interest in any kind of bidding war for him. I'd offer them Colvin and maybe one more minor piece but if it's not enough then walk away.

[davell]

I hate to say it, but even at Colvin, I'm seeing what it takes for Headley before I'm even pulling THAT trigger. Stewart is purely a buy low guy and it could very easily wind up with LeMahieu as our starter at some point anyway.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My main issue with Headley is that im not convinced that he'll be that much better than Vitters, and we'd likely have to give up 2 of our top 10 guys and 1 more high ceiling guy. Headley may have nice road splits, but hes 27 with minimal power, and if Vitters could finally learn some dicipline, he could be better than him. Thats what i like about Stewart. No commitmant it it gives us another year to decide if Vitters is the long term answer.

 

Now if they'd give us Headley for something like Castillo, Dolis, and a minor lower level guy like Watkins or an older guy like LaHair or Colvin, go for it but I think that they'd want at least 1 of our top 3.

[mul21]

My main issue with Headley is that im not convinced that he'll be that much better than Vitters, and we'd likely have to give up 2 of our top 10 guys and 1 more high ceiling guy. Headley may have nice road splits, but hes 27 with minimal power, and if Vitters could finally learn some dicipline, he could be better than him. Thats what i like about Stewart. No commitmant it it gives us another year to decide if Vitters is the long term answer.

 

Now if they'd give us Headley for something like Castillo, Dolis, and a minor lower level guy like Watkins or an older guy like LaHair or Colvin, go for it but I think that they'd want at least 1 of our top 3.

 

Vitters very likely won't ever play third in the majors on a daily basis, so I don't think you can count on that being an option, especially with the premium it seems Theo is putting on defense.

[dew1679666265]

My main issue with Headley is that im not convinced that he'll be that much better than Vitters, and we'd likely have to give up 2 of our top 10 guys and 1 more high ceiling guy. Headley may have nice road splits, but hes 27 with minimal power, and if Vitters could finally learn some dicipline, he could be better than him. Thats what i like about Stewart. No commitmant it it gives us another year to decide if Vitters is the long term answer.

 

Now if they'd give us Headley for something like Castillo, Dolis, and a minor lower level guy like Watkins or an older guy like LaHair or Colvin, go for it but I think that they'd want at least 1 of our top 3.

 

Vitters has a .439 career minor league SLG. Headley's was .500 in the minors, but just a .392 SLG in the majors. His minor league numbers show he's capable of exhibiting solid power and him just now being in his prime years and getting out of PetCo may help him realize that. If nothing else, the power difference between Vitters and Headley is likely to be small enough that Headley will more than make it up with much better patience and defense.

 

I'm a Vitters fan, but his presence in the minors wouldn't keep me from pursuing Headley and offering a pretty solid amount for him.

[Guest]

What kind of package are people thinking realistically could net us Headley?

[XZero771679666304]

My main issue with Headley is that im not convinced that he'll be that much better than Vitters, and we'd likely have to give up 2 of our top 10 guys and 1 more high ceiling guy. Headley may have nice road splits, but hes 27 with minimal power, and if Vitters could finally learn some dicipline, he could be better than him. Thats what i like about Stewart. No commitmant it it gives us another year to decide if Vitters is the long term answer.

 

Now if they'd give us Headley for something like Castillo, Dolis, and a minor lower level guy like Watkins or an older guy like LaHair or Colvin, go for it but I think that they'd want at least 1 of our top 3.

 

Vitters has a .439 career minor league SLG. Headley's was .500 in the minors, but just a .392 SLG in the majors. His minor league numbers show he's capable of exhibiting solid power and him just now being in his prime years and getting out of PetCo may help him realize that. If nothing else, the power difference between Vitters and Headley is likely to be small enough that Headley will more than make it up with much better patience and defense.

 

I'm a Vitters fan, but his presence in the minors wouldn't keep me from pursuing Headley and offering a pretty solid amount for him.

 

Petco definitely has been holding Headley's power down. His career SLG there is .336, with a .441 on the road. He's not likely to be a big power guy regardless, though he could be a .450-.475 SLG guy in the next few years if he gets out of San Diego.

[JeffH]

What kind of package are people thinking realistically could net us Headley?

 

McNutt, LeMahieu, Beliveau?

[Little Slide Rooter]

What kind of package are people thinking realistically could net us Headley?

 

Realistically, I think it would cost us 1 of McNutt or Szczur, 1 more of our top 10 prospects and a lower level guy. However, I wonder if theres any way that we'd be able to strike a deal for Headley and a starting pitcher. McNutt, 2 of Sczur/ Vitters/Castillo, 1 lower level guy and a Colvin/DeWitt/LaHair type for Headley and Latos/Stauffer/Richard anyone?