College Football - Week 11 (Nov. 12th)

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Your ability to attempt a holier than thou attitude when defending someone who took far less action than decency demands is a little sickening.

 

i'm disappointed. i figured if anyone could appreciate a good holier than thou attitude it would be yourself.

 

Notice I said attempt. I don't believe even you are sick enough to think JoePa was in the right here. You've got a family member that was a victim, you worked with kids that are high risk for this [expletive]. Yet you don't think doing more than the bare minimum to comply with the employee handbook is enough. I'm just going to have to believe you're trolling.

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yes it couldn't be that i have a different opinion than you, it must be that i'm holier than thou and trolling.

 

anyway, trolling is against board guidelines, so i should be banned. and conveniently there is a moderator right here!

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In this situation, no. It couldn't be that you have a different opinion. There's absolutely no one alive that thinks Joe did the right thing, except jerry sandusky bc it kept his sick act going for another decade.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-penn-state-ad-administrator-step-down-amid-scandal-20111106,0,7963686.story

 

Football coach Joe Paterno and other Penn State officials didn't do enough to try to stop suspected sexual abuse of children at the hands of a former assistant football coach, the state police commissioner said Monday.

 

Paterno may have fulfilled his legal requirement to report suspected abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, state police Commissioner Frank Noonan said, "but somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child."

 

He added: "I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us."

 

if he feels that way and lawmakers feel that everyone who suspects a sexual abuse should go to the cops, then hopefully they will go ahead and change the law. the law, as it is written now in pennsylvania, encourages people to go through their superiors rather than to the police. personally i would have some concerns that anyone can go to the police with a claim of sexual abuse against somebody they don't like, but if that's the route they decide to go, then so be it.

[snoodmonger]

truffle looks like a total buffoon in this thread. His position is morally indefensible. Edited November 8, 2011 by snoodmonger

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Anyone can go to the police with a claim of sexual abuse today. The law doesn't prohibit reporting child rape bc the law isn't that stupid.

[TruffleShuffle]

In this situation, no. It couldn't be that you have a different opinion. There's absolutely no one alive that thinks Joe did the right thing, except jerry sandusky bc it kept his sick act going for another decade.

 

it must be delightful to be so condescending and still have the ability to ban and suspend people.

[Old Style]

So you think if that law is changed people in PA will start reporting false sexual abuse charges in droves just because they don't like someone?

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You're honestly arguing that the law should not encourage reporting child rape bc people might report false claims against their enemies? You'd prefer fewer claims get reported for fear of a few false claims. We're not even talking false convictions, just false allegations. Holy [expletive].

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm an old man, i'm confused, what's my name? will you take me home?

[glavine93]

i don't see how penn state is more qualified than the police to investigate this type of accusation. even if there are certain situations at a university where an internal investigation might be warranted, how is this one of them? i really don't understand that part of it.

[Derwood]

Truffle, from one PSU fan to another......you're on your own here, buddy

[seanimal]

His heir apparent got fired for unknown reasons, yet still has access to JoePa's building.

 

he didn't get fired, he resigned. or retired, whatever you want to call it.

 

i'm not going to agree with you, or apparently most people, but i believe in chain of command within an organization, rather than every person being responsible for reporting something to everyone else. in large organizations you're trained to report situations to superiors except in the case of imminent danger, and the superiors are expected to follow a set of procedures from there. if i suspect abuse but not imminent danger as part of my coaching in special olympics, i pass this along to the administration. as a third party, i don't know that i'd follow up because i assume the people in the administration will handle the situation properly. even if i did follow up, i'm not sure that i'd get any answers because of privacy rules.

 

say i'm a middle manager at a company and a female employee comes to me saying that she's been harassed by a male co-worker. say i'm expected to pass this information along to upper management, and i do so, and they interview her and find that there likely has been harassment going on. but for whatever reason - embarrassment, fear of litigation, they view the male employee as a bright up-and-coming star in the company - they take no action. then the woman gets raped by the harassing co-worker. should i, the middle manager, be fired or punished or publicly shamed for not pushing her claim more? i don't think so, because i did my responsibility properly. the people above me did not.

 

now i'm sure your response will be "but joepa is psu athletics!!!!!!!" but in legal matters, he has always deferred to the administration, as he did here. you are welcome to feel otherwise.

 

what an upstanding company man you are!

[rocket]

say i'm a middle manager at a company and a female employee comes to me saying that she's been harassed by a male co-worker. say i'm expected to pass this information along to upper management, and i do so, and they interview her and find that there likely has been harassment going on. but for whatever reason - embarrassment, fear of litigation, they view the male employee as a bright up-and-coming star in the company - they take no action. then the woman gets raped by the harassing co-worker. should i, the middle manager, be fired or punished or publicly shamed for not pushing her claim more? i don't think so, because i did my responsibility properly. the people above me did not.

 

that analogy really sucks and is insulting to the depravity of the situation. using your setting, here's what your analogy should be:

 

i'm a middle manager at a company, and a co-worker says he saw another co-worker (who also happens to be my closest confidant in the office) RAPING A CHILD IN THE BATHROOM. i let upper management know, and they take no action. the co-worker continues raping children in the bathroom for 8 more years.

 

not sweat off my brow though, i let upper management know.

[NewUserName]

I would hope if I was in a similar situation as Joe Paterno I would do better. I also hope and pray that I am never in that situation to have my ethics tested. I think it is clear that Paterno failed.

[Smack]

Hey Truf, I hope Australia is nice. JoePa covered up a pederast for about a decade. Thanks to him, several other boys were raped. Keep arguing on his behalf. It's classy.

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Hey Truf, I hope Australia is nice.

 

it's lovely. quite a bit better than milwaukee. you should consider a lifestyle change.

 

Thanks to him, several other boys were raped.

 

whoa really? because the grand jury indictment includes only one sexual assault after 2002. if you are withholding information i suggest turning that over to the police immediately.

[rocket]

well if it was just 1 more boy i guess it's not that big a deal

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well if it was just 1 more boy i guess it's not that big a deal

 

you seem to be reading things that aren't being written. smack confidently and unequivocally stated that several boys have been raped because of joe paterno. that led me to believe that smack has inside information about sandusky's activities, and as such smack can prove that he's a better man than paterno by taking this info to the police immediately.

[rocket]

in all honesty, no baiting or anything, do you think paterno should resign?

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in all honesty, no baiting or anything, do you think paterno should resign?

 

no. there are three weeks left in the season, coach those out, coach the bowl game, then retire. he's done a tremendous amount for the school during his career, and i've always felt that he should get to decide when he goes. public opinion is quite against him (obviously) and it might be difficult to continue beyond this year, plus he'll be 85 years old and has been coaching from the booth for almost the whole season. they've overachieved and will go to a pretty good bowl game. it would be a good time to step away.

[hawkeyecub]

Well this thread was unexpected...

[OleMissCub]

the term coaching should always be written as "coaching" when referring to JoePa these days. If you aren't wearing a headset on the sidelines you aren't coaching a football game.

[Old Style]

Anyone know what time JoePa's presser is today and if any radio stations will carry it live? I imagine it will be short and tension filled.

[wolf stansson]

Podcasting yesterday's Boers & Bernstein. Fun fact: Jerry Sandusky turned down the head coaching position at University of Virginia because he was "too committed" to his charity, the Second Mile.