College Football - Week 11 (Nov. 12th)

[Smack]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

 

[expletive], just because the GA didnt' spell it out in detail doesn't mean Paterno couldn't grasp that the GA had seen something terrible. He burried his [expletive] head in the sand because he didn't want to tarnish his (or the program's) image. He didn't ask questions, he didn't follow up, he didn't want to know. As a result more children were molested. Either that or Joe Paterno is just a stupid senile old man.

[Old Style]

Paterno should be stripped of his HoF status and booted from PSU. I love his official statement. What a joke.

 

Because he followed the state guidelines for reporting child abuse? Great commentary as always, smack.

Hold up here. Are you defending Paterno?

 

Let me guess, you're going to act like defending joe paterno is defending sexual abuse of children.

 

Would you like to tell me what the state guidelines are for reporting child abuse within an organization? I find it quite ironic that a guy who has always been praised for following the rules and doing things by the book is being thrown under the bus for doing that now.

 

Full disclosure, someone close to me was systematically abused by a family member while growing up, and I work with vulnerable youths as a special olympics coach. I abhor sexual abuse of minors.

No, I'm not saying that. But he could have helped prevent the abuse of countless other boys who were molested after this incident was reported to him. Forget about state guidelines. He had a MORAL duty to report this to the proper authorities. Do you really think St. JoePa would be canned for not properly following state guidelines in this case after the AD did nothing?

[Andy]

Another road night game. Hope Rees is done throwing ducks into the night sky.

Don't worry, with our snazzy new shamrock helmets for the game I'm sure he will more easily identify his targets.

[Guest]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

 

He absolutely was told that, he admitted it in sworn testimony. And if you don't want to count Sandusky as a current subordinate then it's even worse that he never contacted the police.

[BleacherBadger]

Not a great bedtime read for the little ones

 

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

[Smack]

Not a great bedtime read for the little ones

 

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 

I hope he enjoys his time in prison. I hope the inmates have something special picked out for him to wear.

[TruffleShuffle]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

So he claims. You really believe the GA told him that he witnessed Sandusky in the shower with a young boy and that JoePa didn't get any details before reporting it to the AD?

 

he's a conservative old man and sandusky is a personal friend; i'm pretty sure he's not going to ask for graphic detail. "inappropriate sexual conduct" is plenty to pass it along to one's superiors. curley and schultz were the ones who interviewed mcqueary in detail and were the ones responsible for reporting the incident to police; they failed to do so. if you're going to get mad at paterno, then get mad at everyone - mcqueary, curley, schultz, spanier, that janitor (who witnessed a similar attack and didn't report it), the football coach at a local high school (who witnessed sandusky lying on a wrestling mat face to face with a minor, and also thought sandusky exhibited "clingy" behavior toward a young man), the detectives who investigated previous claims but didn't end up with a prosecution, the people from the department of welfare, etc.

[TruffleShuffle]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

 

He absolutely was told that, he admitted it in sworn testimony. And if you don't want to count Sandusky as a current subordinate then it's even worse that he never contacted the police.

 

no, that's not worse. at all. if he were a subordinate then paterno could arguably be considered the top of the chain of command, and perhaps be the person obligated to contact police. since he was not sandusky's boss any more, he passed the complaint along to the people whose job it is to deal with matters like that. paterno has been quite consistent throughout his career in staying out of legal matters when his players are involved. he lets the administration handle it.

 

as for the sworn testimony, please point me to where paterno was told by mcqueary that a rape had occurred.

[TruffleShuffle]

Paterno should be stripped of his HoF status and booted from PSU. I love his official statement. What a joke.

 

Because he followed the state guidelines for reporting child abuse? Great commentary as always, smack.

 

"Hey, uh, coach, I saw coach Sandusky butt [expletive] a 10 year old in the shower"

 

"well i'll pass it along!" *takes a dump in his pants*

 

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[Guest]

if you're going to get mad at paterno, then get mad at everyone

 

Of course, they all made reprehensible decisions by not getting the authorities involved. As sports fans, there's only one that really matters to us though.

[imb]

This is the same season where players swapping gear for tattoos cost a high-profile coach his job.

 

How far could this assistant have possibly edited his story before telling Paterno? I'm sorry, but if you think even for a second that your inaction may be allowing someone to RAPE CHILDREN IN YOUR LOCKERROOM, you're required by basic human decency to go beyond what youre legally obligated to do.

 

This is a pretty drastic failure by a lot of people. Paterno happens to be the only one with a face.

[bcl412]

I'm still wondering how Mcqueary could just run away while the kids getting assaulted in front of him. In my mind the kid probably thinks someone is there to help him and they just run away.

[SpongeWorthy]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

 

He absolutely was told that, he admitted it in sworn testimony. And if you don't want to count Sandusky as a current subordinate then it's even worse that he never contacted the police.

 

no, that's not worse. at all. if he were a subordinate then paterno could arguably be considered the top of the chain of command, and perhaps be the person obligated to contact police. since he was not sandusky's boss any more, he passed the complaint along to the people whose job it is to deal with matters like that. paterno has been quite consistent throughout his career in staying out of legal matters when his players are involved. he lets the administration handle it.

 

as for the sworn testimony, please point me to where paterno was told by mcqueary that a rape had occurred.

 

I only leafed through the grand jury report but it sure as hell seems the GA told Paterno what was going on in the shower.

[treebird]

TRUFFLE NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[Old Style]

if you're going to get mad at paterno, then get mad at everyone

 

Of course, they all made reprehensible decisions by not getting the authorities involved. As sports fans, there's only one that really matters to us though.

This is the same season where players swapping gear for tattoos cost a high-profile coach his job.

 

How far could this assistant have possibly edited his story before telling Paterno? I'm sorry, but if you think even for a second that your inaction may be allowing someone to RAPE CHILDREN IN YOUR LOCKERROOM, you're required by basic human decency to go beyond what youre legally obligated to do.

 

This is a pretty drastic failure by a lot of people. Paterno happens to be the only one with a face.

What these guys said.

 

And I wonder how McQueary sleeps at night. He needs to resign as well.

[Guest]

Apparently the state guidelines are something along the lines of "tell your boss, but don't tell the police"? Sorry, but when someone comes to you and tells them they saw your subordinate raping a 10 year old in a shower at your facility, and you don't make sure the police are contacted, you have absolutely failed in your responsibility as a human being.

 

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

 

He absolutely was told that, he admitted it in sworn testimony. And if you don't want to count Sandusky as a current subordinate then it's even worse that he never contacted the police.

 

no, that's not worse. at all. if he were a subordinate then paterno could arguably be considered the top of the chain of command, and perhaps be the person obligated to contact police. since he was not sandusky's boss any more, he passed the complaint along to the people whose job it is to deal with matters like that. paterno has been quite consistent throughout his career in staying out of legal matters when his players are involved. he lets the administration handle it.

 

as for the sworn testimony, please point me to where paterno was told by mcqueary that a rape had occurred.

 

So the argument is that Sandusky is not Paterno's responsibility, but when told about a heinous crime that Sandusky committed, he's only obligated to tell his own boss and not the police? Maybe that clears Paterno from being legally negligent, but with the circumstances involved and all of the things that happened since that incident, it is awful decision making that Paterno (or anyone else) did not get the authorities involved.

 

McQueary told Paterno that he saw Sandusky in the "showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.", and then later told the story as "having anal sex with a boy" to Paterno's superiors(without Paterno present). If you want to debate the semantics and make yourself look really bad, have at it.

[SpongeWorthy]

Paterno probably told Sandusky to grab a broom and sweep up the concession areas at Beaver Stadium. Just desserts.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't think it's his place to go to the police. if mcqueary wants to do it, fine - he witnessed the incident first-hand. curley, schultz and possibly spanier were legally obligated to report it and failed. the main responsibility is with them. all paterno had was an allegation of inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature in the locker room shower. that's not much to report. plus if campus police or the administration had undertaken their own investigation and found that sandusky was using poor judgement but not acting maliciously ("horsing around") and word gets out that paterno is pushing for an investigation, then you have a married father branded as a pedophile.

 

i don't think it's the middle man's job to follow up or to undercut his superiors. you have to expect that the administration is going to do its job properly. if you don't have that expectation then you probably shouldn't be part of that organization at all.

[Old Style]

How can you breathe with your head buried so far in the sand?

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes and no. If the AD had done his job and reported things to the police, then fine, no one gets on Paterno for running things up the flag pole. After awhile it becomes pretty clear that the AD is going to sit on it and you as the person who told them become aware of that. Then you go to the cops. Pretty simple.

[bcl412]

i don't think it's his place to go to the police. if mcqueary wants to do it, fine - he witnessed the incident first-hand. curley, schultz and possibly spanier were legally obligated to report it and failed. the main responsibility is with them. all paterno had was an allegation of inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature in the locker room shower. that's not much to report. plus if campus police or the administration had undertaken their own investigation and found that sandusky was using poor judgement but not acting maliciously ("horsing around") and word gets out that paterno is pushing for an investigation, then you have a married father branded as a pedophile.

 

i don't think it's the middle man's job to follow up or to undercut his superiors. you have to expect that the administration is going to do its job properly. if you don't have that expectation then you probably shouldn't be part of that organization at all.

 

This kind of thinking kind of bothers me because it walks the line between showing too much concern towards Sandusky in that situation and not the potential victim. You see an old man naked with a child I would think some investigation is warranted because I'd say it's a safe guess that that child probably doesn't want to be there.

[wolf stansson]

i don't think it's his place to go to the police.

IT IS EVERYONE'S JOB TO GO TO THE POLICE.

What the [expletive] would be your argument against it? Oh! I better not talk to the cops since I just told my boss. He'll talk to the cops and if I do too, they might open multiple reports and that'd be a paperwork nightmare for some poor police cleark. Bwaaaaahhh.

 

If I saw a man anally raping a child in a shower, even if that shower was in his own house and I was only there because I was ROBBING HIM OF ALL HIS WORLDLY POSSESSIONS, I still call the cops. I raise bloody hell until someone pays enough attention and the guys is arrested. All of this of course after I attack the rapist where he stands and get the kid the hell out of that hell. What is wrong with you, truffle? I'm sitting here while I read the grand jury report wondering to myself how something this evil could fall through the cracks for so long and then I read your post and I realize it's because there are people like you in the world who will allow it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yes and no. If the AD had done his job and reported things to the police, then fine, no one gets on Paterno for running things up the flag pole. After awhile it becomes pretty clear that the AD is going to sit on it and you as the person who told them become aware of that. Then you go to the cops. Pretty simple.

 

i guess that's the real question... what he thought happened with the investigation. did he think that the whole thing was swept under the rug by the administration? if so then i agree that he made a poor decision in not pushing for it to be investigated by police (but again, i don't think it's his place to go to the cops - he should have urged mcqueary or curley to do so). if he thought it was investigated and resolved properly, that's another story. or maybe he's just old and forgot about it. who knows.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm sitting here while I read the grand jury report wondering to myself how something this evil could fall through the cracks for so long and then I read your post and I realize it's because there are people like you in the world who will allow it.

 

yeah you've got it, it's my fault and i fully support sexual abuse in all its forms.

[E.J.]

Yes and no. If the AD had done his job and reported things to the police, then fine, no one gets on Paterno for running things up the flag pole. After awhile it becomes pretty clear that the AD is going to sit on it and you as the person who told them become aware of that. Then you go to the cops. Pretty simple.

 

Bingo. Paterno has to go to the police when it's evident the AD isn't going to do anything about it.