Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[tgkimmel]

Bowden has a new insider article up where he lists the top 5 players in the Future Game that could be dealt. Only one with a link to the Cubs is:

 

2. Alex Meyer, RHP

Washington Nationals GM Mike Rizzo is not afraid to trade prospects but is not a big fan of rental players. The Nats have a long-term philosophy, so if they trade a top prospect, they want to acquire a player who they can control beyond this year. Because he signed just before the old Aug. 15 signing deadline, Meyer can't officially be traded until after Aug. 15 this year; however, the Nats could make Meyer available as a player to be named later in a deal at the deadline if they can acquire a center fielder such as the Minnesota Twins’ Denard Span or Ben Revere, or a starter such as Chicago Cubs right-hander Matt Garza.

 

Meyer was drafted in the first round last year out of the University of Kentucky and signed by Reed Dunn. The Indiana native was the No. 23 player taken overall, earning a $2 million signing bonus. Meyer is off to a strong professional start at low Class A Hagerstown, recording 98 strikeouts with just 64 hits allowed in 84 innings pitched. He profiles to be a top-of-the-rotation starter, but if the Nats can acquire a significant player that they can control, they could pull the trigger and deal him.

 

Other four are 1- Jean Segura, SS, LAA, 3-Tommy Joseph, C, SF, 4-Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, Cin and 5 - Chris Reed, LHP, LAD

 

Of course it is Bowden and simply throwing darts is probable more reliable, but since it specifically mentioned Garza I thought I'd share.

 

Wait, so Meyer could potentially go in a trades for:

 

a) Denard Span, b) Ben Revere or c) Matt Garza.

 

I never said it made any sense. . .

[MSG T]

Bowden has a new insider article up where he lists the top 5 players in the Future Game that could be dealt. Only one with a link to the Cubs is:

 

2. Alex Meyer, RHP

Washington Nationals GM Mike Rizzo is not afraid to trade prospects but is not a big fan of rental players. The Nats have a long-term philosophy, so if they trade a top prospect, they want to acquire a player who they can control beyond this year. Because he signed just before the old Aug. 15 signing deadline, Meyer can't officially be traded until after Aug. 15 this year; however, the Nats could make Meyer available as a player to be named later in a deal at the deadline if they can acquire a center fielder such as the Minnesota Twins’ Denard Span or Ben Revere, or a starter such as Chicago Cubs right-hander Matt Garza.

 

Meyer was drafted in the first round last year out of the University of Kentucky and signed by Reed Dunn. The Indiana native was the No. 23 player taken overall, earning a $2 million signing bonus. Meyer is off to a strong professional start at low Class A Hagerstown, recording 98 strikeouts with just 64 hits allowed in 84 innings pitched. He profiles to be a top-of-the-rotation starter, but if the Nats can acquire a significant player that they can control, they could pull the trigger and deal him.

 

Other four are 1- Jean Segura, SS, LAA, 3-Tommy Joseph, C, SF, 4-Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, Cin and 5 - Chris Reed, LHP, LAD

 

Of course it is Bowden and simply throwing darts is probable more reliable, but since it specifically mentioned Garza I thought I'd share.

 

Wait, so Meyer could potentially go in a trades for:

 

a) Denard Span, b) Ben Revere or c) Matt Garza.

 

Perhaps we could offer them Garza AND Reed Johnson.

 

Why?

[abohnhoff]

Good god why cant this Castro guy get banned?? He derails every flipping thread with something stupid. Makes this site tough to read.

[erik316wttn]

Good god why cant this Castro guy get banned?? He derails every flipping thread with something stupid. Makes this site tough to read.

 

You are aware you posses an ignore feature, right?

[Named After Maddux]

To cover the CF and starter options, would Garza and DeJesus (I know he's a corner, but he's done well and they were going to trot Werth out in center) be a decent combo for some pitching specs?

[ChiCubsFan]

I'd love to make a deal with Washington. Their system is stacked.

[Little Slide Rooter]

To cover the CF and starter options, would Garza and DeJesus (I know he's a corner, but he's done well and they were going to trot Werth out in center) be a decent combo for some pitching specs?

 

I'd be all for it, depending on how much they're willing to give up. Too bad even Theo can't convince them that Tony Campana is a comparable alternative to Dexter Fowler or Ben Revere.

[davell]

I'd love to make a deal with Washington. Their system is stacked.

 

Am I missing something there? What is it you like about their system so much? I honestly think Rendon's too scary to use as the major piece myself. Alex Meyer is a decent piece, but not a headliner I'd be excited about at all. Brian Goodwin is very toolsy, but it's about the least needed position in our system. I guess if I got Meyer and one of those 2, plus another decent guy or two, I'd be OK, but far from thrilled anyway.

[davell]

Rangers in on Garza, per Levine. Now we're talkin. Great system for us to trade with.

[Clem Fandango]

Rangers in on Garza, per Levine. Now we're talkin. Great system for us to trade with.

 

Mike Olt plz

[toonsterwu]

Toonster, I don't want to re-hash things from previous pages since the discussion has passed but I want to say I definitely think Jackie Bradley Jr is an elite prospect. He's basically what you dream of on Albert Almora.

 

Agree with you on Barnes. I definitely don't think Barnes is elite and too many people have fallen in love with him based on his performance at A-ball.

 

Sorry, was busy yesterday and didn't see this. Trying to make this short and sweet, so, let's go bullet points

 

- Barnes would obviously hold more value for the Cubs than Bradley Jr., IMO. My mild counter of myself on Barnes is that the kid is working on his change-up, so he could take another step.

- My issue with Bradley Jr., if I have one (don't get me wrong ... not thinking he's elite yet doesn't mean I don't think he's a very, very good prospect) is that I'm not sure how much power he'll legitimately have as he deals with tougher pitching. We'll know more by season's end, though. Is he a top of the order, 2 hole type bat, or is he a potential middle of the order, anchor bat?

[toonsterwu]

Bowden has a new insider article up where he lists the top 5 players in the Future Game that could be dealt. Only one with a link to the Cubs is:

 

2. Alex Meyer, RHP

Washington Nationals GM Mike Rizzo is not afraid to trade prospects but is not a big fan of rental players. The Nats have a long-term philosophy, so if they trade a top prospect, they want to acquire a player who they can control beyond this year. Because he signed just before the old Aug. 15 signing deadline, Meyer can't officially be traded until after Aug. 15 this year; however, the Nats could make Meyer available as a player to be named later in a deal at the deadline if they can acquire a center fielder such as the Minnesota Twins’ Denard Span or Ben Revere, or a starter such as Chicago Cubs right-hander Matt Garza.

 

Meyer was drafted in the first round last year out of the University of Kentucky and signed by Reed Dunn. The Indiana native was the No. 23 player taken overall, earning a $2 million signing bonus. Meyer is off to a strong professional start at low Class A Hagerstown, recording 98 strikeouts with just 64 hits allowed in 84 innings pitched. He profiles to be a top-of-the-rotation starter, but if the Nats can acquire a significant player that they can control, they could pull the trigger and deal him.

 

Other four are 1- Jean Segura, SS, LAA, 3-Tommy Joseph, C, SF, 4-Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, Cin and 5 - Chris Reed, LHP, LAD

 

Of course it is Bowden and simply throwing darts is probable more reliable, but since it specifically mentioned Garza I thought I'd share.

 

It's unlikely, but not farfetched. With Strasburg likely to be shut down at some point (or at least, they claim he will be), and the 5th starter spot still more a question than having an answer, it's not impossible that they look for another arm. That said, at some point, they've got to keep some prospects.

[toonsterwu]

I'd love to make a deal with Washington. Their system is stacked.

 

I don't know about stacked right now. They dealt that batch of guys away for Gio Gonzalez last year. It's solid, maybe good (have to ponder it for a sec), but with Rendon's health being an issue, there's a thin top shelf.

[toonsterwu]

To cover the CF and starter options, would Garza and DeJesus (I know he's a corner, but he's done well and they were going to trot Werth out in center) be a decent combo for some pitching specs?

 

Random hunch is that they won't see the need for DeJesus. They want a upgrade at CF, otherwise, they might keep Harper there, and keep utilizing Steve Lombardozzi as a top of the order option out of LF.

 

Of course, when Werth makes it back (haven't followed that situation), there's another issue to deal with, but that's for later.

[toonsterwu]

Rangers in on Garza, per Levine. Now we're talkin. Great system for us to trade with.

 

I'm still not sure it's as great a system for our needs as some think. I simply don't love the possible pitching options there. As I noted uh ... a couple pages back ... there's no doubt a good deal could be made, but the lack of enough really quality pitching options makes me wish for some other teams. I'd love to get Holland to toy around with, though. Don't know if he'd be offered.

[davell]

I like Buckel quite a bit, even if he's a tad undersized. I'm not thrilled with Perez, but as a 2nd piece, I'd be fine with him. Grimm is solid, so is Luke Jackson, Loux is a lottery ticket, but a good one if he can stay healthy. and since he's a local kid, Neil Ramirez has talent. He's a project now, of course. Scheppers wouldn't be bad either. Or you could opt for Olt or Odor as a top piece, if you want quality over the quantity approach. But saying that sells the arms a bit short, in my mind, as I see quality there as well, just the ability to get more of them.

[toonsterwu]

I like Buckel quite a bit, even if he's a tad undersized. I'm not thrilled with Perez, but as a 2nd piece, I'd be fine with him. Grimm is solid, so is Luke Jackson, Loux is a lottery ticket, but a good one if he can stay healthy. and since he's a local kid, Neil Ramirez has talent. He's a project now, of course. Scheppers wouldn't be bad either. Or you could opt for Olt or Odor as a top piece, if you want quality over the quantity approach. But saying that sells the arms a bit short, in my mind, as I see quality there as well, just the ability to get more of them.

 

Buckel/Perez/Ramirez/Grimm are all nice, but they look like mid-rotation types, with Perez/Ramirez having some issues to work through (if everything goes perfect for those two, admittedly, they'd probably have a tick better than mid-rotation ceilings). Nice complementary pieces to a deal, nice 2nd pieces perhaps. Ideally, barring an elite bat, if the value's close, the Cubs should focus on getting arms as the centerpiece to a deal, IMO. I'd be fine with say, a Derek Holland/one of the above arms/and etcetera type deal. A package of two of those arms seems like ... it should be able to be topped. It wouldn't be bad, but it somewhat underwhelms me personally.

 

I'm not as high on Luke Jackson's value as it relates to this deal. He's an intriguing arm asset, no doubt about it, but considering how muhc of a work in progress he is, I don't love the idea of him in a critical role to this deal.

 

I do like Olt and Odor a lot, but ideally, we'd get arms in a deal. I mean, am I going to piss and moan if we got Olt or Odor and two of those arms? Nah. Just would hope we get an arm with better upside, but that's my opinion on those arms.

[Splendid Splinter]

Olt or Odor/Buckel or Grimm or Ross/Perez/PTBNL (maybe a Miguel De Los Santos or Jorge Alfaro???)...

 

 

While it's not the kind of package I'm hoping for (I rather have a pitcher as the centerpiece like most people here instead of someone like Olt/Odor), it'll be just enough for Garza. That's basically 3 guys in the top 10 and another in the 15-20 range.

[Guest]

I guess I'm in the minority but I really don't care if the returns for Dempster and Garza are pitcher-dominated. I just want the best prospects.

[El Duderino]

I guess I'm in the minority but I really don't care if the returns for Dempster and Garza are pitcher-dominated. I just want the best prospects.

 

i'm with you. bpa

[XZero771679666304]

I guess I'm in the minority but I really don't care if the returns for Dempster and Garza are pitcher-dominated. I just want the best prospects.

 

 

I just want maximum value, but I'd be surprised if the FO isn't looking pitching first, given the state of the system. But if the best offer is a package of offensive players (or centered on a great offensive prospect) you obviously take it.

[Vinestal]

I don't suppose we could hope for Profar as part of a Garza package? I'm guessing he's untouchable?

[El Duderino]

I don't suppose we could hope for Profar as part of a Garza package? I'm guessing he's untouchable?

 

maybe if we threw in starlin castro, javy baez, and jeff samardzija

[KingCubsFan]

I don't suppose we could hope for Profar as part of a Garza package? I'm guessing he's untouchable?

He's probably the #1 prospect in baseball at this point. No chance.

[Vinestal]

I don't suppose we could hope for Profar as part of a Garza package? I'm guessing he's untouchable?

He's probably the #1 prospect in baseball at this point. No chance.

Damn :(