Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)

[Wor1dSer1es]

Still don't think he is as bad a candidate as you guys think. I'd be all for the Cards hiring someone like Cal Ripken Jr, and he hasn't managed a game.

[Guest]

Still don't think he is as bad a candidate as you guys think. I'd be all for the Cards hiring someone like Cal Ripken Jr, and he hasn't managed a game.

 

Why?

 

Why do people think former great players would make good managerial candidates? What is this based on?

[BeerHere]

Surprisingly, you guys didn't react to the Sandberg new as emotionally as I thought you would. As a cards fan, I really wasn't opposed to the idea.

Do you think he would be a good manager for the Cards? If so, why?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

[jersey cubs fan]

Still don't think he is as bad a candidate as you guys think. I'd be all for the Cards hiring someone like Cal Ripken Jr, and he hasn't managed a game.

 

Other than the fact that he is a documented quitter, sure, he's not as bad as we like to say. But most of that is in response to irrational demands that he be given the job just because.

 

The manager really doesn't matter all that much in the end. The Cardinals were able to win two with a drunk driving cat sexxer. Ozzie Freaking Guillen won a World Series.

[Clem Fandango]

I don't think Sandberg would be an atrocious hire, I just think there are far better candidates more worthy of the job than he is. Candidates, in particular, who fit the new FO's philosophy and vision.

[Wor1dSer1es]

Sure, I think experience as a coach is over rated. If you know the game, and you know how to play the game, I think you can be successful. As a manager, the staff you surround yourself with is just as important as your independent duties.

[BeerHere]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

[bukie]

Still don't think he is as bad a candidate as you guys think. I'd be all for the Cards hiring someone like Cal Ripken Jr, and he hasn't managed a game.

 

Sandberg positives:

- Respected as a player, which is probably good for his ability to command respect from his players.

- Hasn't been reported to destroy pitching staffs yet.

- His minor league teams win regularly, which is of minimal value.

 

Sandberg negatives:

- Penchant for getting tossed in minor league games doesn't speak well of his ability to handle himself with composure in a major league setting.

- His articles online suggest a very small-ball approach, which goes against everything the current FO supports.

- Never been a major league coach, not even a bench coach. Major leagues is a different beast from the minors, as previous Cub hires can attest to (like Quade!)

[Guest]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

 

Same. But I only really saw his crappy last two years. I'm sure if I saw him be one of the best players in the league for 8 or 9 years, my opinion would be much different.

[jersey cubs fan]

Still don't think he is as bad a candidate as you guys think. I'd be all for the Cards hiring someone like Cal Ripken Jr, and he hasn't managed a game.

 

Why?

 

Why do people think former great players would make good managerial candidates? What is this based on?

 

Because they are good at stuff they must be good at other stuff. It's the peter principle of sports.

[Guest]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

 

Specifically calling out Sammy Sosa for no real reason.

[bukie]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

Attacked Sosa just for the hell of it.

[Guest]

Sure, I think experience as a coach is over rated. If you know the game, and you know how to play the game, I think you can be successful. As a manager, the staff you surround yourself with is just as important as your independent duties.

 

For the most part, our qualms have less to do with the experience factor than his overall philosophies on the game and how it should be played.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

He retired in the middle of a season, but actually did retire and didn't just freak out.

 

............and that makes him equal to Z in what way?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

 

It was self-masturbatory claptrap about how kids these days (especially a certain very dark Hispanic kid on the North Side right now) aren't as virtuous as he was. I thought it was classless to clearly throw a current star under the bus just to make himself look better by comparison.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

 

The sanctimonious BS, relentless self promotion and tearing down of others.

 

A proper HOF speech thanks everybody who helpd you get there, thanks the fans, acknowledges that you were pretty good and had a good time, and that's it. It's not a freaking forum to launch your coaching job or get a gig writing about how horrible the younger generation is.

[Springfield_CUBBY]

Sure, I think experience as a coach is over rated. If you know the game, and you know how to play the game, I think you can be successful. As a manager, the staff you surround yourself with is just as important as your independent duties.

I know the game, I know how to play . . . would I make a good manager?

[Wor1dSer1es]

Never said I would always be in favor of hiring every John Smith Cardinal off the street. But I do think that certain players display a great grasp of the game during their playing days, and a managerial position would be a logical career step.

 

Also, it like Sandberg has zero experience. His last two minor league teams have been pretty successful. The fact that is a HoF player for the franchise is just a bonus.

[C.C.]

The Sandberg bashing is just trolling, for the most part.

 

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

I enjoyed the speech honestly. What didn't you like, the "playing the game with right way" part?

 

The sanctimonious BS, relentless self promotion and tearing down of others.

 

A proper HOF speech thanks everybody who helpd you get there, thanks the fans, acknowledges that you were pretty good and had a good time, and that's it. It's not a freaking forum to launch your coaching job or get a gig writing about how horrible the younger generation is.

 

Ah. So basically just say the same [expletive] everyone else says and not say what you really feel about the game. Got it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That iPad advertisement disguised as an article made me really want a manager who is very aggressive with defensive positioning and shifts.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

He retired in the middle of a season, but actually did retire and didn't just freak out.

 

............and that makes him equal to Z in what way?

 

Not equal, worse. People say Z quit when he said he retired, but he didn't really as it was just an emotional outburst. Sandberg actually followed through on quitting on his team like the cold calculated me-first jerk that he is.

[Guest]

That iPad advertisement disguised as an article made me really want a manager who is very aggressive with defensive positioning and shifts.

 

 

I copped to that earlier in the thread.

 

Made me really want Sveum based on what I read about him.

[cl smooth]

I'm exaggerating a bit, but I never particularly liked him once I was old enough not to just love him for being a Cub. He was like Ryan Theriot in how he thought way too much of himself, especially on defense because of his overrated fielding percentage. His HOF speech really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

do people really have issue with sandberg not diving for baseballs during his playing career? i'm not calling you out specifically, but this isn't the first time i've heard those types of comments from people here.

[Wor1dSer1es]

Sure, I think experience as a coach is over rated. If you know the game, and you know how to play the game, I think you can be successful. As a manager, the staff you surround yourself with is just as important as your independent duties.

I know the game, I know how to play . . . would I make a good manager?

 

You don't have 15 years experience playing the game at a high level. (Just a guess, for all I know you could have played 15 years in the MLB, but I'm going to assume no.)