Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[SouthSideRyan]

so mcnutt? where do i sign? can i sign?

 

No on McNutt

[mookie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I_ECwdtnfnk/TcP25PSXzSI/AAAAAAAAAG0/h6oU29vnaCU/s400/signiture-sheet.gif

 

 

Sign here Lord Stark.

[Guest]

Fine, if they want to play hardball, up the offer to Lahair, Rohan, and Richard Jones.

 

 

Six and a half million dollars people. $6,500,000.00

[SouthSideRyan]

Fine, if they want to play hardball, up the offer to Lahair, Rohan, and Richard Jones.

 

 

Six and a half million dollars people. $6,500,000.00

 

You just want BearClaw to become a Red Sox fan.

[erik316wttn]

McNutt is a fair price to pay. With Theo coming our way we'll make it up in spades.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Mike R. the medical guy sounds cool. IMO quantifying athleticism (scouting aspects) and health factors is Da Futcha, and my guess that's some of what his work involves.

 

In the SI piece, Epstein did say that keeping pitchers healthy was the current "market inefficiency" he was trying to exploit.

 

It's also something both the Rays and Rangers have done alot of work in. You'll notice how slowly both of those franchises bring along their young pitches (except Price, who was an extremely special case/talent), and the Rangers have spouted that pitchers today don't throw enough since Ryan took over.

 

Then you can't help but notice that all three of those teams absolutely love athleticism...If you talk to non-baseball fans the one thing they'll go after after they attack the length of a baseball game is that baseball players are fat and unathletic. Maybe in the steroid era that was true, but now we're going back to guys who can move and move well (and all over the place). I think those teams...particularly the Rays, who've hunted the best athletes they can find since their inception, have jumped on the idea of helping athletes develop into baseball players...the advantages being that better athletes will (hopefully) lead to...well obviously more general upside...but better durability, health, on field versatility, contact ability, hopefully better D...the things you'd expect from someone who is a top notch athlete for their sport.

 

It's probably one of the most interesting things about the sport since the early 2000's statseads vs. scouts debates...Now it's about working together to figure what works best, why, and how to make it happen. It's [expletive] awesome, and it's an aspect I'd like to see whoever the new GM is, Theo or otherwise, make a specific area of study.

 

The funny thing is that the Cubs could have been one of these teams in the last decade...had they been more successful in the pursuit of Furcal...maybe signed Beltran instead of Soriano...maybe kept a potentially truly elite rotation together and healthy...or at least the main stars healthy...God we were such an archaic organization under Hendry. The thing is that he was smart enough to show some interesting concepts without any kind of real analysis...had he just taken the next [expletive] step this franchise could have been at the forefront of the MLB....[expletive] a.

Edited October 17, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[Hairyducked Idiot]

My guess is that if we're hearing about a market inefficiency in an SI piece, several teams have already gotten the biggest gains there are out of it, and several more teams are trying to catch up.

[erik316wttn]

Mike R. the medical guy sounds cool. IMO quantifying athleticism (scouting aspects) and health factors is Da Futcha, and my guess that's some of what his work involves.

 

In the SI piece, Epstein did say that keeping pitchers healthy was the current "market inefficiency" he was trying to exploit.

 

It's also something both the Rays and Rangers have done alot of work in. You'll notice how slowly both of those franchises bring along their young pitches (except Price, who was an extremely special case/talent), and the Rangers have spouted that pitchers today don't throw enough since Ryan took over.

 

Then you can't help but notice that all three of those teams absolutely love athleticism...If you talk to non-baseball fans the one thing they'll go after after they attack the length of a baseball game is that baseball players are fat and unathletic. Maybe in the steroid era that was true, but now we're going back to guys who can move and move well (and all over the place). I think those teams...particularly the Rays, who've hunted the best athletes they can find since their inception, have jumped on the idea of helping athletes develop into baseball players...the advantages being that better athletes will (hopefully) lead to...well obviously more general upside...but better durability, health, on field versatility, contact ability, hopefully better D...the things you'd expect from someone who is a top notch athlete for their sport.

 

It's probably one of the most interesting things about the sport since the early 2000's statseads vs. scouts debates...Now it's about working together to figure what works best, why, and how to make it happen. It's [expletive] awesome, and it's an aspect I'd like to see whoever the new GM is, Theo or otherwise, make a specific area of study.

 

Absolutely. I'd devote quite a bit of time to the study of movement, mechanics, fatigue, recovery, etc so you can keep your arms as healthy as you possibly can.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

My guess is that if we're hearing about a market inefficiency in an SI piece, several teams have already gotten the biggest gains there are out of it, and several more teams are trying to catch up.

 

No doubt...the A's were doing mechanical analysis with Rick Peterson in the early 2000's maybe even as early as the 90's....the Cubs are no doubt playing catch up, but the thing is that there's so many ways to find players that I don't believe anyone is so far ahead of the curve.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't really buy the notion that better athletes equal better durability.

[dfnowak]

Sullivan's take on Theo bringing sabermetrics to the Cubs.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1017-cubs-carmine--20111017,0,7950466.story

 

Be prepared to get pissed off at his misunderstanding of the whole thing by saying Theo would want to let Ramirez go due to lack of patience at the plate (because that's all advanced statistical analysis is about, after all).

 

From the comments section,

 

The only stat that Theo needs to think about is which players are dedicated to play the game with heart and soul and that will never quit. Whether that is playing games in the day or night. These kind of players will give it their all 100% every inning and every game. Once Theo finds these kind of players then the Cubs will have a solid team to compete in every game. The bad news is the team right now may have one or two of these type of players and will have to go and find them. Good luck Theo! Your going to need it.

 

I really wish this guy would start posting here.

I would be willing to bet that this guy wants Ryne Sandberg as manager

Edited October 17, 2011 by dfnowak

[Hairyducked Idiot]

More SoSH eavesdropping fun:

 

 

 

Apologies if this was picked up elsewhere (I don't have the time to go back into the thread), but I'm beginning to lose sympathy for Theo. He's under contract; he wants to walk away from a mess he contributed to, after promising he'd help clean it up in 2012; he wants to take a significant part of the RS infrastructure with him; and either he or the people he wants to work for aren't budging on compensation. Screw him and screw the Cubs. Release a public statement dripping with crocodile tears, announcing with great regret the Cubs have failed to consider appropriate compensation for taking a valued employee away, talks have ended and Theo's friends in the organization await his return to Fenway to fulfill his contract. If he doesn't show, suspend him. Work closely with the lawyers, and plan every step.

 

 

I notice the frustration coming mostly from one side in this, imo, which tells me exactly which fan base is realistically assessing the situation and which one is reading their own team's metaphorical press releases.

[ScrubMD]

What do you people do for a living? I wouldn't trust half the people on here to negotiate the price of a dead cat.

 

No on McNutt. That's a big duh.

[Brett]

Back when the Cubs were negotiating with the Rays for Garza, rumor had it that the Rays wanted McNutt as the headline pitching prospect, and the Cubs insisted instead on Archer. Obviously Hendry is now gone, but Wilken/Fleita/Bush are not. Would one injury-filled, down year change their minds on the value of McNutt? If not, would they give up a kid they obviously think the world of?

 

I have my doubts.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I don't really buy the notion that better athletes equal better durability.

 

Depends on the athlete...there's different ways of being described as athletic...different body types (I'm not a scientist and I have done 0 studies, but intuitively I think body type is a big deal)...different lifestyles...different forms of training...Though generally speaking I have trouble buying that being a better athlete wouldn't help durability.

[tfarks]

The system is a little too pitching-starved, I would hate to see the Cubs lose McNutt. I'm not surprised at all the Sox are trying to buy low on him.

[imb]

No, you can't have McNutt you stupid [expletive] assholes.

[YearofDaCubs]

At this point if it takes giving up McNutt to get this process completed, I'm all for it.

[tfarks]

At this point if it takes giving up McNutt to get this process completed, I'm all for it.

 

That's how Lucchino negotiates. Stay thirsty, my friend.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd probably cave on McNutt too. Which is why I'm glad Ricketts owns the team and not me.

[ScrubMD]

At this point if it takes giving up McNutt to get this process completed, I'm all for it.

 

Jay Jackson or Carpenter are the best pitchers we should be willing to give up. If they want more, Ricketts should send a polaroid of his butthole.

[Elwood]

At this point if it takes giving up McNutt to get this process completed, I'm all for it.

 

Jay Jackson or Carpenter are the best pitchers we should be willing to give up. If they want more, Ricketts should send a polaroid of his butthole.

 

Kind of like Valentine's Day.

[SouthSideRyan]

McNutt is a fair price to pay.

 

No, it isn't.

[CyHawk_Cub]

At this point if it takes giving up McNutt to get this process completed, I'm all for it.

 

Jay Jackson or Carpenter are the best pitchers we should be willing to give up. If they want more, Ricketts should send a polaroid of his butthole.

[Rob]

Would it break my heart to give up McNutt for Theo? No.

 

Is there any reason we should have to give up McNutt? Also no.

 

Trading McNutt for Theo is like giving Glendon Rusch 2 years and 5 mil. We could get him for a lot less, so why nickel and dime ourselves to death?