Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Laura]

The Boston Herald has some thoughts on who might be on Theo's list to bring over to Chicago.

 

 

 

Michael Silverman / Boston Herald[/url]"]The list of names Epstein has submitted is a closely guarded one. Here is one scenario, not pulled out of thin air but based on informed speculation and information from sources familiar with the thinking of Epstein and expected new Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington.

 

Three Red Sox names that could be part of Epstein’s request are Brian O’Halloran, vice president of baseball operations; Dave Finley, special assistant to the general manager; and Mike Reinold, head athletic director and assistant director of medical services. Both O’Halloran and Finley are considered well qualified to be an assistant general manager, while Reinold is held in high regard by Epstein and could head the Cubs’ medical department.

 

Josh Byrnes, Epstein’s former assistant, is another mentioned as joining him in Chicago. Another name that could be added to that list is Jason McLeod, who headed the amateur draft with the Red Sox and is currently Jed Hoyer’s assistant general manager in San Diego.

 

Also some talk about the internal dynamics of deciding whether and how to limit the brain drain, since people coming over would most likely be eligible for promotions or, at the least, a healthy raise.

[UMFan83]

Not all Red Sox fans are delusional. From SoSH:

 

Sorry but this thread is pissing me off.

 

1.Theo is not a player. He can't be benched for a year to leverage the Cubs

 

2.When a person in leadership wants to leave, the employers can either 1. match the offer, show the person they want to him to stay, or 2. negotiate an exit. If they are not doing number 1 then number 2 does not leave them "holding all the cards."

 

3.If the employee turned down an offer, does no want to return, that too diminishes the bargaining position of the employer

 

4.Theo is not junior sales rep that you can transfer to small appliances, he runs the baseball team

 

5.You generally don't force an unmotivated employee in a critical, vital role to stay on.

 

6.Hard to believe, but there are consequences for dicking around a guy that has done a great job for you in a business where there are only 30 places to work.

 

 

So therefore:

The Red Sox are not getting a [expletive] all star or future all-star for Theo.

 

 

=D>

 

The only thing missing is mentioning that he's getting a promotion that the Red Sox can not or will not match.

[Banedon]

Not all Red Sox fans are delusional. From SoSH:

 

Sorry but this thread is pissing me off.

 

1.Theo is not a player. He can't be benched for a year to leverage the Cubs

 

2.When a person in leadership wants to leave, the employers can either 1. match the offer, show the person they want to him to stay, or 2. negotiate an exit. If they are not doing number 1 then number 2 does not leave them "holding all the cards."

 

3.If the employee turned down an offer, does no want to return, that too diminishes the bargaining position of the employer

 

4.Theo is not junior sales rep that you can transfer to small appliances, he runs the baseball team

 

5.You generally don't force an unmotivated employee in a critical, vital role to stay on.

 

6.Hard to believe, but there are consequences for dicking around a guy that has done a great job for you in a business where there are only 30 places to work.

 

 

So therefore:

The Red Sox are not getting a [expletive] all star or future all-star for Theo.

 

 

=D>

 

The only thing missing is mentioning that he's getting a promotion that the Red Sox can not or will not match.

 

Not surprisingly the next several posts are disagreeing with this one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No, I don't think that poster understands. Epstein works for the Boston Red Sox. The Boston Red Sox are super awesome and can do whatever they want and other teams (especially the Cubs, lol, curses) will bow down before them. Epstein for Castro and Garza or no deal.

 

Is Ricketts really going to go before the Cubs fan base and say he couldn't get our Savior because of a bad defensive SS and a .500 pitcher?

[UMFan83]

No, I don't think that poster understands. Epstein works for the Boston Red Sox. The Boston Red Sox are super awesome and can do whatever they want and other teams (especially the Cubs, lol, curses) will bow down before them. Epstein for Castro and Garza or no deal.

 

The Cubs are simple midwestern folks who simply crumble during negotiations with our fast talking east coast business men. Besides, they've gone over 100 years without winning so everyone in that organization must be baseball simpletons. They probably don't even understand why we aren't asking for names like Soriano and Zambrano.

[Pushfrog98]

your 2012 cubs...matt garza and no one else?

 

I noticed Grabow and Hill were missing on that list. :-&

Hill is listed in the "Free-Swingers" list.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Boston Herald has some thoughts on who might be on Theo's list to bring over to Chicago.

 

 

Michael Silverman / Boston Herald[/url]"]The list of names Epstein has submitted is a closely guarded one. Here is one scenario, not pulled out of thin air but based on informed speculation and information from sources familiar with the thinking of Epstein and expected new Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington.

 

Three Red Sox names that could be part of Epstein’s request are Brian O’Halloran, vice president of baseball operations; Dave Finley, special assistant to the general manager; and Mike Reinold, head athletic director and assistant director of medical services. Both O’Halloran and Finley are considered well qualified to be an assistant general manager, while Reinold is held in high regard by Epstein and could head the Cubs’ medical department.

 

Josh Byrnes, Epstein’s former assistant, is another mentioned as joining him in Chicago. Another name that could be added to that list is Jason McLeod, who headed the amateur draft with the Red Sox and is currently Jed Hoyer’s assistant general manager in San Diego.

 

 

Also some talk about the internal dynamics of deciding whether and how to limit the brain drain, since people coming over would most likely be eligible for promotions or, at the least, a healthy raise.

 

 

Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

Drain their brain. Make a Front Office Superteam. All of a sudden, working for the Cubs is going to be the cool thing to do among young, smart executives. When a lot of talent starts flowing in one direction, people want to be a part of it to prove that they should be considered on that level.

[hankp101]

Sorry but this thread is pissing me off.

 

1.Theo is not a player. He can't be benched for a year to leverage the Cubs

 

2.When a person in leadership wants to leave, the employers can either 1. match the offer, show the person they want to him to stay, or 2. negotiate an exit. If they are not doing number 1 then number 2 does not leave them "holding all the cards."

 

3.If the employee turned down an offer, does no want to return, that too diminishes the bargaining position of the employer

 

4.Theo is not junior sales rep that you can transfer to small appliances, he runs the baseball team

 

5.You generally don't force an unmotivated employee in a critical, vital role to stay on.

 

6.Hard to believe, but there are consequences for dicking around a guy that has done a great job for you in a business where there are only 30 places to work.

 

 

So therefore:

The Red Sox are not getting a [expletive] all star or future all-star for Theo.

 

 

Fantastic stuff. He should have closed with a little Clark Griswold: "Hallelujah! Holy [expletive]! Where's the Tylenol?"

[C.C.]

IMO, 75% chance this gets "done" today, with done being counted as at least media reports saying it is done.

 

I'd go with 50%. 75% tomorrow.

 

Psssh, 25% at best. Stop getting your hopes up, you guys.

 

Go away. Only positive vibes here man!

[ctcf]

NEVER. NOTHING IS OVER

[mookie]

100% chance this gets done today.

 

So, Mcnutt is only destined for back of the rotation? I thought his ceiling was higher?

[C.C.]

100% chance this gets done today.

 

So, Mcnutt is only destined for back of the rotation? I thought his ceiling was higher?

 

Link?

[Clem Fandango]

100% chance this gets done today.

 

So, Mcnutt is only destined for back of the rotation? I thought his ceiling was higher?

 

Link?

 

Rotoworld...

 

According to CSNChicago.com's Patrick Mooney, the Red Sox are believed to want Cubs pitching prospect Trey McNutt as compensation for general manager Theo Epstein.

McNutt, a 22-year-old right-hander, posted an underwhelming 4.55 ERA and 65/39 K/BB ratio in 95 innings this season at Double-A Tennessee. But he had a breakout year at Single-A in 2010 and may carry back-end-of-the-rotation potential. The two sides are expected to reach an official agreement before the start of the World Series on Wednesday night.

 

Not sure what they're on about as the back-end-of-rotation material though, I too was under the impression he's got at least 2/3 potential

[C.C.]

100% chance this gets done today.

 

So, Mcnutt is only destined for back of the rotation? I thought his ceiling was higher?

 

Link?

 

Rotoworld...

 

According to CSNChicago.com's Patrick Mooney, the Red Sox are believed to want Cubs pitching prospect Trey McNutt as compensation for general manager Theo Epstein.

McNutt, a 22-year-old right-hander, posted an underwhelming 4.55 ERA and 65/39 K/BB ratio in 95 innings this season at Double-A Tennessee. But he had a breakout year at Single-A in 2010 and may carry back-end-of-the-rotation potential. The two sides are expected to reach an official agreement before the start of the World Series on Wednesday night.

 

Not sure what they're on about as the back-end-of-rotation material though, I too was under the impression he's got at least 2/3 potential

 

Cool! Get this done boys!

[davell]

McNutt DOES have 2/3 potential. He's a buy low candidate right now because he had a lingering blister problem all season long and has lost some of his luster. But, while I don't want to give him up, if it's truly going to hold the deal up, I'd pull the trigger personally.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Mike R. the medical guy sounds cool. IMO quantifying athleticism (scouting aspects) and health factors is Da Futcha, and my guess that's some of what his work involves. The Red Sox like good athletes who happen to specialize in baseball...same for the Rays, Rangers, and Blue Jays...I think it's something I'd like the Cubs to be known for. Edited October 17, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[UMFan83]

Now that the Cardinals have made the World Series, I say [expletive] the MLB's policy. I say that we wait to make the announcement right as game 1 in St. Louis is about to begin.

 

In fact, I think the Cubs should fly a blimp with their logo over Busch Stadium as Theo skydives off the blimp and onto the field for an impromptu unauthorized introductory press conference.

[Banedon]

Now that the Cardinals have made the World Series, I say [expletive] the MLB's policy. I say that we wait to make the announcement right as game 1 in St. Louis is about to begin.

 

In fact, I think the Cubs should fly a blimp with their logo over Busch Stadium as Theo skydives off the blimp and onto the field for an impromptu unauthorized introductory press conference.

 

Dressed in a squirrel costume.

[Guest]

Mike R. the medical guy sounds cool. IMO quantifying athleticism (scouting aspects) and health factors is Da Futcha, and my guess that's some of what his work involves.

 

In the SI piece, Epstein did say that keeping pitchers healthy was the current "market inefficiency" he was trying to exploit.

[jersey cubs fan]

CSN needs to stop putting that Patrick Mooney guy on TV. He's not good at it.

[toonsterwu]

100% chance this gets done today.

 

So, Mcnutt is only destined for back of the rotation? I thought his ceiling was higher?

 

His ceiling is higher. I mean, he could end up back of the rotation, but his ceiling is higher. An end of the rotation starter typically only has average velocity and decent secondary pitches. McNutt still has a fastball that can hit the mid-90's as a starter. The issues right now are consistency with the secondary pitches, but there were moments this year where his breaking ball still flashed it's plus potential, and there were a few games where his changeup looked decent and improved from the past. I think his ceiling is that of a "2", which is typically, what, 2 plus pitches, average 3rd, average command. Not saying he'll reach that, but I think it's fair to call that his ceiling. I do think he is a bit under-the-radar/under-hyped right now, but that said, I also think he was a bit over-hyped last year.

[Guest]

CSN needs to stop putting that Patrick Mooney guy on TV. He's not good at it.

 

He really isn't. And I can't figure out if he's like 22 years old or 40.

[mookie]

Per MLBTR

 

Red Sox Focused On McNutt In Epstein Talks

By Tim Dierkes [October 17 at 11:10am CST]

The Red Sox are "believed to be focused" on Cubs pitching prospect Trey McNutt in the Theo Epstein compensation talks, writes Patrick Mooney of CSNChicago.com. Mooney says Cubs center field prospect Brett Jackson is "untouchable and not part of the discussions," while prospects such as Josh Vitters and Matt Szczur are considered unlikely.

 

McNutt, 22, posted a 4.55 ERA, 6.2 K/9, 3.7 BB/9, and 0.5 HR/9 with 120 hits allowed in 95 innings for the Cubs' Double-A affiliate this year. Baseball America ranked him second among Cubs prospects heading into the season and he was a consensus top 70 prospect in the game. McNutt dealt with blister problems and bruised ribs in a disappointing 2011 season, and is currently pitching in the Arizona Fall League.

 

The World Series, scheduled to begin Wednesday, seems to serve as a deadline for the talks between the Cubs and Red Sox. That is the latest point the Red Sox expect a resolution, writes Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald. One major holdup is determining which front office members Epstein can take with him to Chicago. Silverman's informed speculation suggests Red Sox vice president of baseball operations Brian O'Halloran, special assistant to the GM Dave Finley, and head athletic director and assistant director of medical services Mike Reinold "could be part of Epstein's request." Senior vice president of baseball operations Josh Byrnes and assistant GM Jason McLeod could be candidates to come from the Padres.

[mookie]

If they are getting McNutt, Theo better be bringing some guys with him.

[Magnetic Curses]

so mcnutt? where do i sign? can i sign?