Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Guest]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

[Magnetic Curses]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

 

we're talking ceiling here. and jackson has put up numbers at every level.

[Guest]

I definitely don't want to see Szczur go, but I could live with it. His ceiling is higher than that of a guy like Brett Jackson, but he's a few levels away, and Bjax is a safer bet to be at least an average big leaguer, and sooner.

 

I'd prefer not to give Matt up, but if that is what it takes in the end, so be it. If that is indeed what it will take, I definitely think that limits what else they can ask for, though. Any other prospects would have to be fringe or throw in.

 

how is his ceiling higher than jackson's?

 

He doesn't have some of the contact issues Jackson has and he has better speed and is better defensively.

 

but he's not as patient and doesn't have jackson's power. those are the attributes i like best.

 

You're right. Szczur has better power potential.

[Guest]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

 

of BUSTING?

 

I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe, considering Jackson is actually patient and has had success at every level while everytime I look at Szczur's numbers hoping to see something impressive, I don't. At least, not since he was in low A.

[Guest]

he's already 21 and at high A ball, he better start putting up numbers at some point.

 

Maybe he will when he doesn't play part of a baseball season in the pros, a full college football season and then a full minor league baseball season in a span of 12 months. He tired out in his first full pro season and his first season actually devoted solely to baseball. He has an impressive skill set and a higher ceiling than Jackson.

[XZero771679666304]

I definitely don't want to see Szczur go, but I could live with it. His ceiling is higher than that of a guy like Brett Jackson, but he's a few levels away, and Bjax is a safer bet to be at least an average big leaguer, and sooner.

 

I'd prefer not to give Matt up, but if that is what it takes in the end, so be it. If that is indeed what it will take, I definitely think that limits what else they can ask for, though. Any other prospects would have to be fringe or throw in.

 

how is his ceiling higher than jackson's?

 

He doesn't have some of the contact issues Jackson has and he has better speed and is better defensively.

OPS? Especially, slugging. I don't really know what ceiling means but I would bet heavily that Jackson has a better, longer MLB career.

 

So would I.

 

Ceiling means how good a player realistically could be, based on his skill set. I said I thought Jackson is a safer bet, because he is. And I'd rather keep Brett, if those were the options presented to me. But Szczur has better speed, a better hit tool, better defense and his power is developing. That said, he is 21 already and has shown inconsistency.

 

Most will tell you Jackson doesn't have any outstanding facet to his game and doesn't have "star" potential, but is a safe bet to be an average to above average player. If Szczur's power continues to develop and he cultivates more patience, he has the potential to be a much better player.

Edited October 16, 2011 by XZero77

[Guest]

he's already 21 and at high A ball, he better start putting up numbers at some point.

 

Maybe he will when he doesn't play part of a baseball season in the pros, a full college football season and then a full minor league baseball season in a span of 12 months. He tired out in his first full pro season and his first season actually devoted solely to baseball. He has an impressive skill set and a higher ceiling than Jackson.

 

 

It seems like, in saying that Jackson is more likely to bust, that Tim is saying Szczur has a higher floor than Jackson. That sounds like crazy talk to me. My world is on the cusp of being turned upside down.

[Guest]

 

So would I.

 

Ceiling means how good a player realistically could be, based on his skill set. I said I thought Jackson is a safer bet, because he is. And I'd rather keep Brett, if those were the options presented to me. But Szczur has better speed, a better hit tool, better defense and his power is developing. That said, he is 21 already and has shown inconsistency.

 

Most will tell you Jackson doesn't have any outstanding facet to his game and doesn't have "star" potential, but is a safe bet to be an average to above average player. If Szczur's power continues to develop and he cultivates more patience, he has the potential to be a much better player.

 

 

I'm not one to pin hopes and dreams on players becoming patient. Fools gold. How often does that actually happen?

[Guest]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

 

of BUSTING?

 

I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe, considering Jackson is actually patient and has had success at every level while everytime I look at Szczur's numbers hoping to see something impressive, I don't. At least, not since he was in low A.

Busting.

 

The list of players who have 30% strikeout rates in the minors who succeed in the majors is pretty small. Those who do usually have obscene power. Jackson is just shy of that (28.2%). He has a number of positive attributes, but he has much higher bust potential than is commonly accepted around here.

[Guest]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

 

of BUSTING?

 

I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe, considering Jackson is actually patient and has had success at every level while everytime I look at Szczur's numbers hoping to see something impressive, I don't. At least, not since he was in low A.

Busting.

 

The list of players who have 30% strikeout rates in the minors who succeed in the majors is pretty small. Those who do usually have obscene power. Jackson is just shy of that (28.2%). He has a number of positive attributes, but he has much higher bust potential than is commonly accepted around here.

 

 

So, not to misrepresent your point here, are you saying you think it's more likely Szczur is a productive major leaguer than Jackson?

 

 

And how many of those successful 30% strikeout rate guys extreme patience guys? He draws a ton of walks and is therefore likely in an extreme amount of deep counts. I understand he has contact issues, but strikeouts don't really worry me out of a guy with an IsoD of 100....

Edited October 16, 2011 by David

[A New Era]

Glad to hear Brett Jackson isn't a likely candidate. I'm really looking foward to watching him play next year. Just for the fact that it's yet another position player to come out of the Cubs system after so many years of no hitters with any potential at all. Will be fun to watch the young kids as the Cubs continue to improve their farm.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I hope that we don't give up either Jackson or Szczur. They can have Jay Jax if they want.

[XZero771679666304]

 

So would I.

 

Ceiling means how good a player realistically could be, based on his skill set. I said I thought Jackson is a safer bet, because he is. And I'd rather keep Brett, if those were the options presented to me. But Szczur has better speed, a better hit tool, better defense and his power is developing. That said, he is 21 already and has shown inconsistency.

 

Most will tell you Jackson doesn't have any outstanding facet to his game and doesn't have "star" potential, but is a safe bet to be an average to above average player. If Szczur's power continues to develop and he cultivates more patience, he has the potential to be a much better player.

 

 

I'm not one to pin hopes and dreams on players becoming patient. Fools gold. How often does that actually happen?

 

We're not talking about Junior Lake here. More patience could be the difference between be good and being a star for Szczur. The guy has an impressive skill set. Whether he realizes that potential or not remains to be seen.

 

Again, I'd rather keep Jackson if that is what it came down to.

[Guest]

he's already 21 and at high A ball, he better start putting up numbers at some point.

 

Maybe he will when he doesn't play part of a baseball season in the pros, a full college football season and then a full minor league baseball season in a span of 12 months. He tired out in his first full pro season and his first season actually devoted solely to baseball. He has an impressive skill set and a higher ceiling than Jackson.

 

 

It seems like, in saying that Jackson is more likely to bust, that Tim is saying Szczur has a higher floor than Jackson. That sounds like crazy talk to me. My world is on the cusp of being turned upside down.

Yes, IMO Szczur has a higher floor than Jackson.

 

I admit to being more bearish on Brett than most, though.

[XZero771679666304]

I hope that we don't give up either Jackson or Szczur. They can have Jay Jax if they want.

 

If what they want is MLB ready guys (as has been reported), give them JJax and Flaherty.

[Guest]

I can't see the Cardinals beating the Rangers. So, I guess I wouldn't be terribly upset to see the series end tonight. That way, come tomorrow afternoon/evening, all of this should be resolved. It will be nice to move on.

 

If the Cardinals are going to win the series, I hope they have to go 7 to do it because Carpenter would go in that game. I don't want him ready for Game 1.

[Guest]

I'm actually genuinely curious as to how often those types of "they're just some patience away from being all stars" prospects actually develop said patience when they are the opposite of patient as, pretty much, grown adults in the minor leagues.

 

Any good examples of guys who have done that?

 

 

 

Sosa, I guess, but he had some "help" lol

[Magnetic Curses]

I definitely don't want to see Szczur go, but I could live with it. His ceiling is higher than that of a guy like Brett Jackson, but he's a few levels away, and Bjax is a safer bet to be at least an average big leaguer, and sooner.

 

I'd prefer not to give Matt up, but if that is what it takes in the end, so be it. If that is indeed what it will take, I definitely think that limits what else they can ask for, though. Any other prospects would have to be fringe or throw in.

 

how is his ceiling higher than jackson's?

 

He doesn't have some of the contact issues Jackson has and he has better speed and is better defensively.

 

but he's not as patient and doesn't have jackson's power. those are the attributes i like best.

 

You're right. Szczur has better power potential.

 

what?

[XZero771679666304]

he's already 21 and at high A ball, he better start putting up numbers at some point.

 

Maybe he will when he doesn't play part of a baseball season in the pros, a full college football season and then a full minor league baseball season in a span of 12 months. He tired out in his first full pro season and his first season actually devoted solely to baseball. He has an impressive skill set and a higher ceiling than Jackson.

 

 

It seems like, in saying that Jackson is more likely to bust, that Tim is saying Szczur has a higher floor than Jackson. That sounds like crazy talk to me. My world is on the cusp of being turned upside down.

Yes, IMO Szczur has a higher floor than Jackson.

 

I admit to being more bearish on Brett than most, though.

 

I definitely hear what you're saying, but his patience mitigates his contact issue somewhat. And no one is predicting stardom for Jackson, either.

 

I think 2012 will be a big year for Szczur, where we will get a better feel for whether he'll realize all that talent or not. Hopefully he won't be in someone else's system.

[Guest]

Jackson has a much higher risk of busting due to his contact issues.

 

However, this really isn't the right thread for the discussion. :)

 

of BUSTING?

 

I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe, considering Jackson is actually patient and has had success at every level while everytime I look at Szczur's numbers hoping to see something impressive, I don't. At least, not since he was in low A.

Busting.

 

The list of players who have 30% strikeout rates in the minors who succeed in the majors is pretty small. Those who do usually have obscene power. Jackson is just shy of that (28.2%). He has a number of positive attributes, but he has much higher bust potential than is commonly accepted around here.

 

 

So, not to misrepresent your point here, are you saying you think it's more likely Szczur is a productive major leaguer than Jackson?

 

 

And how many of those successful 30% strikeout rate guys extreme patience guys? He draws a ton of walks and is therefore likely in an extreme amount of deep counts. I understand he has contact issues, but strikeouts don't really worry me out of a guy with an IsoD of 100....

How happy would you be with Carlos Pena if he didn't put up 30 HR?

 

Szczur is a better defender and is much more likely to remain in CF for a long time. He's currently better at every facet of the game than Jackson except for drawing walks and hitting home runs (admittedly, two very important facets). I think he'll hit for more power than Jackson in the long run (Juan Pierre comp be damned).

 

All this during the first six months he's ever been devoted fully to baseball and coming off a stretch where he played a season of football, then a college baseball season, a short season minor league team, another college football season and then a full season of minor league ball.

 

He is a huge breakout candidate for 2012 as it will be the first time he's been fully devoted to baseball for a full year.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm actually genuinely curious as to how often those types of "they're just some patience away from being all stars" prospects actually develop said patience when they are the opposite of patient as, pretty much, grown adults in the minor leagues.

 

Any good examples of guys who have done that?

 

 

 

Sosa, I guess, but he had some "help" lol

 

I'm pretty sure steroids don't make you more patient.

[Soul]

I'm actually genuinely curious as to how often those types of "they're just some patience away from being all stars" prospects actually develop said patience when they are the opposite of patient as, pretty much, grown adults in the minor leagues.

 

Any good examples of guys who have done that?

 

 

 

Sosa, I guess, but he had some "help" lol

 

I'd be open to seeing some solid examples. It seems like a trait that would be difficult to change.

[Guest]

Maybe I'm gun-shy on that whole thing after the Smardz fiasco, but rather than expect him to suddenly become way better at baseball because he can now focus on it, I'll just wait and see.

[Guest]

I'm actually genuinely curious as to how often those types of "they're just some patience away from being all stars" prospects actually develop said patience when they are the opposite of patient as, pretty much, grown adults in the minor leagues.

 

Any good examples of guys who have done that?

 

 

 

Sosa, I guess, but he had some "help" lol

 

I'm pretty sure steroids don't make you more patient.

 

 

Hitting 1.5-2x as many home runs might, though.

[ctcf]

Wasn't aware multiple Boston sources are reporting that the talks are civil and progressing well. Also nice to hear as being a possible scenario.