Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[UMFan83]

I wish I could set up an auto reply on my account whenever someone posts about the Marlins and Ozzie. "tampering"

 

At the same time I only heard that from one reporter and that was 3 weeks ago.

[Shilzzz]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

[dfnowak]

Is the level of minor league player compensation tied to who and how many of Red Sox employees Theo can take w/ him to the Cubs? If this is the case, I say let the Sox keep the employees and give them a couple of mid level minor leaguers and/or cash and call it a deal. It sounds like Josh Byrnes would join Theo anyways and I have to imagine Theo knows enough people in other organizations to fill up the front office staff. Throw in some holdovers from the current Cubs staff and they should have enough for 2012. Next off season, he can try to hire the Red Sox employees that he wants to bring with him.

[ScrubMD]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

 

I don't care about being right. I just know that if Theo would require giving up our best prospects, I have absolutely no problem with keeping our prospects and going for Rickett's 2nd choice.

 

The choice isn't between Theo and anarchy.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Even if the Cubs and Red Sox fail to reach a deal, Cub fans can take heart in the fact that while Epstein would have been fantastic, it's not so much the person they're looking for as GM as it is the philosophy the organization is heading towards. This is what excites me. And I have little doubt Ricketts can find someone else out there who can effectively implement this philosophy. Now that the terms of the deal to Epstein have been made public, as well as the level of commitment the Cubs are making toward this new approach, has turned the heads of the candidates who were on the short list, such as a certain A. Friedman down in Tampa.

[Little Slide Rooter]

NESN looks at 20 Cubs prospects...

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/brett-jackson-javier-baez-among-top-cubs-prospects-red-sox-should-seek-in-reported-deal-for-gm-theo-.html

Yeah, Javier Baez would be a great trade target for the Red Sox... if he were eligible to be traded yet. Derp.

 

Looking at that list, while I don't think we should have to, I'd be willing send them any two of Castillo, Rusin, Coleman, Gonzalez, Watkins, Dolis, Cerda, Simpson, and J. Jackson. Maybe Flaherty or LeMahieu. Very torn on Rhee, Struck, Ha, Vitters, and Golden. Definite nos on Brett, Szczur, Wells, and McNutt.

Edited October 15, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[ScrubMD]

Even if the Cubs and Red Sox fail to reach a deal, Cub fans can take heart in the fact that while Epstein would have been fantastic, it's not so much the person they're looking for as GM as it is the philosophy the organization is heading towards. This is what excites me. And I have little doubt Ricketts can find someone else out there who can effectively implement this philosophy. Now that the terms of the deal to Epstein have been made public, as well as the level of commitment the Cubs are making toward this new approach, has turned the heads of the candidates who were on the short list, such as a certain A. Friedman down in Tampa.

 

Exactly. It wasn't so much Theo that excited as the fact that Ricketts wanted and was able to convince Theo.

[WilcoFan]

WEEI's beat writer chimes in via Twitter:

 

Alex Speier

Report: According to @CarrieMuskat, #redsox aren't getting Brett Jackson from #cubs in potential Epstein deal weei.com/sports/boston/… via @WEEI

[UMFan83]

We all knew this was going to happen when the negotiations started so it's silly that this is such a big deal.

 

Im gonna guess that Ricketts is going to lose his hard on for the Red Sox after this.

 

Castillo Jackson and cash seems more than fair to me. Anything more and its just Lucchino being a dick and is swept up in his imaginary leverage.

 

I'm not sure I'm willing to lose Theo over something like Brett Jackson, but at this point it's principle.

[Post Count Padder]

NESN looks at 20 Cubs prospects...

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/brett-jackson-javier-baez-among-top-cubs-prospects-red-sox-should-seek-in-reported-deal-for-gm-theo-.html

Yeah, Javier Baez would be a great trade target for the Red Sox... if he were eligible to be traded yet. Derp.

 

Looking at that list, while I don't think we should have to, I'd be willing send them any two of Castillo, Rusin, Coleman, Gonzalez, Watkins, Dolis, Cerda, Simpson, and J. Jackson. Maybe Flaherty or LeMahieu. Very torn on Rhee, Ha, Vitters, and Golden. Definite nos on Brett, Szczur, Wells, and McNutt.

Just based on Boston's needs, I'd think Castillo, Watkins and Dolis would be an enticing package, along with some cash. All MLB ready and they have questions in the pen, at SS and behind the plate.

[dfnowak]

WEEI's beat writer chimes in via Twitter:

 

Alex Speier

Report: According to @CarrieMuskat, #redsox aren't getting Brett Jackson from #cubs in potential Epstein deal weei.com/sports/boston/… via @WEEI

Good! BJax is the player I would be most reluctant to give up, of the players previously mentioned.

[Rob]

NESN looks at 20 Cubs prospects...

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/brett-jackson-javier-baez-among-top-cubs-prospects-red-sox-should-seek-in-reported-deal-for-gm-theo-.html

Yeah, Javier Baez would be a great trade target for the Red Sox... if he were eligible to be traded yet. Derp.

 

Looking at that list, while I don't think we should have to, I'd be willing send them any two of Castillo, Rusin, Coleman, Gonzalez, Watkins, Dolis, Cerda, Simpson, and J. Jackson. Maybe Flaherty or LeMahieu. Very torn on Rhee, Ha, Vitters, and Golden. Definite nos on Brett, Szczur, Wells, and McNutt.

Just based on Boston's needs, I'd think Castillo, Watkins and Dolis would be an enticing package, along with some cash. All MLB ready and they have questions in the pen, at SS and behind the plate.

 

Watkins is nowhere near MLB ready.

[Little Slide Rooter]

NESN looks at 20 Cubs prospects...

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/brett-jackson-javier-baez-among-top-cubs-prospects-red-sox-should-seek-in-reported-deal-for-gm-theo-.html

Yeah, Javier Baez would be a great trade target for the Red Sox... if he were eligible to be traded yet. Derp.

 

Looking at that list, while I don't think we should have to, I'd be willing send them any two of Castillo, Rusin, Coleman, Gonzalez, Watkins, Dolis, Cerda, Simpson, and J. Jackson. Maybe Flaherty or LeMahieu. Very torn on Rhee, Ha, Vitters, and Golden. Definite nos on Brett, Szczur, Wells, and McNutt.

Just based on Boston's needs, I'd think Castillo, Watkins and Dolis would be an enticing package, along with some cash. All MLB ready and they have questions in the pen, at SS and behind the plate.

 

Watkins is nowhere near MLB ready.

 

If they want MLB ready SS, Marwins the guy. I'm surprised that Beliveau wasn't on the list.

 

I still say Baker+prospect+ cash is fair.

Edited October 15, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[USSoccer]

Everyone who thinks that Crane Kenney is a horrible human needs to look at Lucchino and see just how benign our guy is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Very amused at Boston fans telling Cubs fans that Cubs fans are wrong about how Cubs fans feel about the idea of the Cubs walking away.

[BosRedSox5]

Believe it or not, the Red Sox are quite content with Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Castillo looks like a decent young catcher but the Sox like Salty and their minor league co-player of the year, Ryan Lavarnway. I never expected the Red Sox to get Jackson, and FWIW I hope he goes 20-20 in the bigs and wrestles the CF job from Byrd. Dolis looks good, as do some of the other back of the pen arms. Hopefully they get something worked out soon. Need to get this done before the WS anyway and the sooner the better for both parties.

[Shilzzz]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

 

I don't care about being right. I just know that if Theo would require giving up our best prospects, I have absolutely no problem with keeping our prospects and going for Rickett's 2nd choice.

 

The choice isn't between Theo and anarchy.

 

wait, what? i was not referring to anyone in particular, otherwise i would have quoted you. i am just as guilty in this thread (as well as everywhere else). and where did the epstein/anarchy bridge get created? there are no fewer than five GMs other than epstein (some moreso, even) that would do just as good of a job (and will not require compensation), something that i now trust the cubs owner to not only recognize, but have the determination for future successes to not compromise the ball club one way or the other. and while ricketts may seem schmuckish in going full fledge towards that red sox model he always has spoken of, i don't think of it as a homerish pursuit by any stretch, meaning that while boston fans may think they have all leverage of getting players awesome and sweet with cash money, they are only somewhat right. epstein is the guy ricketts wants. but he's not going to turn the gun on himself over it.

 

wish red sox fans could imagine the actual amount of leverage they have in these negotiations as follows: ricketts allowed jim hendry and mike quade to run this organization while it was floundering and fans were not coming to the park nearly as much as had been the case, knowing that he didn't understand his new found ownership, and working with the wisdom to come to grips with growing pains with a certainty that it would lead to, ultimately, a relatively, vastly increased revenue streaming business. that ricketts has gone so far in his tenure without immediate reactionary responses to the heartstrings of not only fans, but himself as a fan and business owner (as he lost money and, at first, credit) should go to show that his plan is structured enough that ricketts does not merely have epstein as the only objective and that the fans reaction, in the short term at least, is of little concern, comparatively.

 

all that said, boston is going to get something. probably something worth their while, in spite of the atrocious media bufferings.

[Guest]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

 

I'd be ok with some Yeezy too.

[Soul]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

 

I don't care about being right. I just know that if Theo would require giving up our best prospects, I have absolutely no problem with keeping our prospects and going for Rickett's 2nd choice.

 

The choice isn't between Theo and anarchy.

 

wait, what? i was not referring to anyone in particular, otherwise i would have quoted you. i am just as guilty in this thread (as well as everywhere else). and where did the epstein/anarchy bridge get created? there are no fewer than five GMs other than epstein (some moreso, even) that would do just as good of a job (and will not require compensation), something that i now trust the cubs owner to not only recognize, but have the determination for future successes to not compromise the ball club one way or the other. and while ricketts may seem schmuckish in going full fledge towards that red sox model he always has spoken of, i don't think of it as a homerish pursuit by any stretch, meaning that while boston fans may think they have all leverage of getting players awesome and sweet with cash money, they are only somewhat right. epstein is the guy ricketts wants. but he's not going to turn the gun on himself over it.

 

wish red sox fans could imagine the actual amount of leverage they have in these negotiations as follows: ricketts allowed jim hendry and mike quade to run this organization while it was floundering and fans were not coming to the park nearly as much as had been the case, knowing that he didn't understand his new found ownership, and working with the wisdom to come to grips with growing pains with a certainty that it would lead to, ultimately, a relatively, vastly increased revenue streaming business. that ricketts has gone so far in his tenure without immediate reactionary responses to the heartstrings of not only fans, but himself as a fan and business owner (as he lost money and, at first, credit) should go to show that his plan is structured enough that ricketts does not merely have epstein as the only objective and that the fans reaction, in the short term at least, is of little concern, comparatively.

 

all that said, boston is going to get something. probably something worth their while, in spite of the atrocious media bufferings.

 

Yes, that seems reasonable to me.

 

As for the board being "inane opinion fodder," well......that's just message boards being message boards.

[Shilzzz]

Yes, that seems reasonable to me.

 

As for the board being "inane opinion fodder," well......that's just message boards being message boards.

 

absolutely. & if it weren't so, no one would post.

it's just that after so long, once the speculation has even grown weary with mounting ghosts of reports mirroring each other in the dark, [expletive] gets old, is all.

i'll still read it all, continuing to refresh after every beautiful roberto bolano chapter of the savage detectives. :blush:

[MWV]

Yes, that seems reasonable to me.

 

As for the board being "inane opinion fodder," well......that's just message boards being message boards.

 

absolutely. & if it weren't so, no one would post.

it's just that after so long, once the speculation has even grown weary with mounting ghosts of reports mirroring each other in the dark, [expletive] gets old, is all.

i'll still read it all, continuing to refresh after every beautiful roberto bolano chapter of the savage detectives. :blush:

That is an amazing novel.

[UMFan83]

The relationship between Epstein and Luccino/Henry is irreparably damaged.

 

That's just not at all accurate. Lucchino is his mentor and the one who actually brought him to Boston in the first place. John Henry gave him his first GM job for his hometown team. Not only that, but he's been given complete control over Boston's baseball operations.

 

Also, I still fail to see how the Cubs going with an interim general manager makes any sense. Here's this from SOSH:

 

People have talked about how silly the Red Sox situation would be if they had to have Theo stick around another year.

 

But how ridiculous would the Cubs' situation be?

 

Sorry, Mr. Fielder. We can't make any big commitment this year. Our GM is just a place holder till next year.

Sorry, Mr. Pujols. We can't make any big decisions this year.

 

June 2012 amateur draft? Has to go on auto pilot.

 

Amateur signings in the Caribbean and elsewwhere around the world? Um, whatever we were doing last year.

 

Hey, Cubs fans, turn out for our 2012 season while we mark time till we get serious! And don't forget to tune in to WGN to watch your Cubs in purgatory broadcast!

 

Teams often have rebuilding seasons and seasons that you strongly suspect aren't going anywhere but the Cubs would be taking that to a whole new level with a season where there's effectively no one at the tiller.

 

The White Sox got 2 of the Marlins' top 10 prospects for letting Ozzie Guillen go to Florida. Why would the Red Sox accept anything less?

 

That's what awaits if the Cubs don't play ball. It's like the part in Moneyball where Beane is trying to convince Omar Minaya to add Youkilis into the Cliff Floyd trade. He tells him something to the effect of: "I can see the Boston papers now: 'Larry Lucchino misses out on Cliff Floyd to keep fat third baseman in Double A'"

 

The Cubs knew that Theo would come at a price, that he'd require a fair amount of compensation and now they're getting sticker shock. You can't just have one of the elite general managers in all of baseball when he's under contract. A price has to be paid. Holding out hope that the Red Sox will "blink first" is amateurish. Missing out on getting him would be a disaster.

 

The Cubs are offering Theo a promotion and your owner already said that its not their position to demand compensation when a guy of theirs is leaving for a promotion. So if anything you should feel lucky that the Cubs are willing to even offer compensation. Also how is negotiating a fair package amateurish? A ball club does hundreds of "blink first" negotiations every year and this is no different. Your posts have taking a taking a turn from fair and open minded to frustrated and resentful. Also, people here are not going to take you seriously unless you address the points that our posters are making instead of just rehashing your 'you guys are being unreasonable' argument every single post.

 

I actually agree with you that it would be silly to have a temporary GM in place for a year while Theo spends his last year in Boston. The Cubs won't do that. If it doesn't work out between the Cubs and Red Sox, the Cubs will go a different direction and be done with it. Although I'd love Theo, I am fine with that because Ricketts has shown that he will make the right hire and not hire another GM with a scouting background like Hendry.

Edited October 15, 2011 by UMFan83

[ScrubMD]

thread is such inane opinion fodder it is maddening. it's exactly the same for cubs and sox fans. everyone believes they are correct and can ascertain rational as to why, or else they wouldn't feel that way. news or wu-tang or nothing!

 

I don't care about being right. I just know that if Theo would require giving up our best prospects, I have absolutely no problem with keeping our prospects and going for Rickett's 2nd choice.

 

The choice isn't between Theo and anarchy.

 

wait, what? i was not referring to anyone in particular, otherwise i would have quoted you. i am just as guilty in this thread (as well as everywhere else). and where did the epstein/anarchy bridge get created?

 

You probably should have waited a bit longer there, Pancho. I didn't think you were directing that at me, I was just giving my opinion of what you said.

 

The Theo/anarchy bridge is the one Red Sox fans seem to be wanting to build, acting like the Cubs can't back out now without hell breaking loose. I was just pointing out that I don't think backing out would hurt us at all, whereas it would cause some legit trouble for the Red Sox.

[Guest]

NESN looks at 20 Cubs prospects...

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/brett-jackson-javier-baez-among-top-cubs-prospects-red-sox-should-seek-in-reported-deal-for-gm-theo-.html

Yeah, Javier Baez would be a great trade target for the Red Sox... if he were eligible to be traded yet. Derp.

 

PTBNL! Woot!

 

Can't even do that yet. I believe there's a six month window on naming PTBNL's.

 

Yeah, I didn't even think of that. However, I was being facetious with my previous post. I'm still under the impression that they won't be getting anything significant since they are ponying up all the cash.

[ctcf]

I did not notice earlier that Muskat outright claimed BJax wouldn't be included. That's a relief on some level I suppose.