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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

 

I find this evaluation unacceptable.

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

His mom just died, jerk!

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While not the end-all, be-all....lists like the top 100 players of 2010 and guys like Dhani Jones not including Urlacher on his top 10 list of LBs, I think is more the normal perception than not. There is a common perception that Urlacher is always injured and has lost a step. Living in Pittsburgh, I hear it all the time. "Is Urlacher going to stay healthy this year?" "You guys better draft a replacement for Urlacher soon." Yet, the facts are that the games Urlacher missed in 2009 were the only games he missed other than a handful in 2004. And that Urlacher played at an elite level last year.

 

I think that will affect his HOF voting. If he gets hurt this year, misses games, gets cut for salary cap reasons, and floats around a couple teams for a few years....his bid will be iffy, IMO. Despite the fact that I agree his numbers put him in today.

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Urlacher is already back at practice according to the NFC North blog on ESPN. Kinda surprised to see him back so soon.
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Urlacher is already back at practice according to the NFC North blog on ESPN. Kinda surprised to see him back so soon.

 

Which is why he is a first ballot HOF'er. End of discussion! :D

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

 

by and large i see the same names from year to year for both of them. and, as i stated, Urlacher has primarily played in a system where he was under a considerable more amount of pressure to cover area. Urlacher has essentially been playing a hybrid safety/linebacker combination position that a lot of those guys couldn't play.

 

you also conveniently failed to mention that one of those guys whom Lewis is compared to through year 10 is not in the hall of fame because he's Brian Urlacher.

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

 

by and large i see the same names from year to year for both of them. and, as i stated, Urlacher has primarily played in a system where he was under a considerable more amount of pressure to cover area. Urlacher has essentially been playing a hybrid safety/linebacker combination position that a lot of those guys couldn't play.

 

you also conveniently failed to mention that one of those guys whom Lewis is compared to through year 10 is not in the hall of fame because he's Brian Urlacher.

 

That's because I didn't look at the comparables for Lewis through year 10. I looked at the final year for both of them right now-Urlacher through year 10 and Lewis through year 14.

 

I appreciate your point about Urlacher's position, but I doubt the HOF voters will get that nuanced. They're more likely to see Lewis's ring as a point in his favor rather than consider Urlacher playing a harder MLB position...especially because the perception of the Bears is they play Cover 2 where the MLB isn't that important (of course, the Bears don't play a traditional cover two precisely because of Urlacher's talents).

 

If Urlacher has four more Pro Bowl seasons in a row he'll be where Lewis is now. There's nothing to indicate he can't do that right now, but I'd still bet the chances are less than 50/50. It's just hard to predict any non-quarterback to sustain a high level of play that long. Really that's the only main thing Lewis has above him though is longevity.

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Is Derrick Brooks a first ballot HoFer? I say yes. Urlacher, I think, is pretty much on the same level as him and hasn't put in as many years as Brooks did but he's getting close.

 

Urlacher's a lock to get in eventually and I think he'll be a near-lock first ballot guy by the time he retires.

 

Only 2 of 10 Urlacher's similar players through year 10 on football reference are in the hall of fame, and only 3 of the 10 of his career similar players have made it. I don't think he's a lock at this moment.

 

As for Lewis, through year 14 7 of his 10 comparables are in the HOF and 7 of his 10 career comparables are also in the HOF.

 

I'd consider Lewis a lock and players like Brooks, Urlacher, and Thomas as probables. One of those three could easily get left out though.

 

by and large i see the same names from year to year for both of them. and, as i stated, Urlacher has primarily played in a system where he was under a considerable more amount of pressure to cover area. Urlacher has essentially been playing a hybrid safety/linebacker combination position that a lot of those guys couldn't play.

 

you also conveniently failed to mention that one of those guys whom Lewis is compared to through year 10 is not in the hall of fame because he's Brian Urlacher.

 

That's because I didn't look at the comparables for Lewis through year 10. I looked at the final year for both of them right now-Urlacher through year 10 and Lewis through year 14.

 

I appreciate your point about Urlacher's position, but I doubt the HOF voters will get that nuanced. They're more likely to see Lewis's ring as a point in his favor rather than consider Urlacher playing a harder MLB position...especially because the perception of the Bears is they play Cover 2 where the MLB isn't that important (of course, the Bears don't play a traditional cover two precisely because of Urlacher's talents).

 

If Urlacher has four more Pro Bowl seasons in a row he'll be where Lewis is now. There's nothing to indicate he can't do that right now, but I'd still bet the chances are less than 50/50. It's just hard to predict any non-quarterback to sustain a high level of play that long. Really that's the only main thing Lewis has above him though is longevity.

 

fair enough, though i think you underestimate the fact that Urlacher is the vicar of Butkus and Singletary, which will undoubtedly influence voters as well.

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Urlacher gets in. Provided he play at a similar level for a few more years.

 

To me, a similar analogy is Derek Jeter. Urlacher doesn't have his rings, but he's the equally popular face of the franchise who's heard throughout his career how overrated he is. Especially from people who are from other parts of the country.

 

But in the end, he keeps playing well and all the publicity only helps get him in to the Hall of Fame, just like Jeter.

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Kreutz shouldn't have any problems with the Bears' defensive tackles because he's practiced against them for years.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/1stand10-11week2/biggest-nfl-games-week-2-john-clayton

 

Melton didn't play DT until this year, while Okoye and Paea weren't on the Bears last year.

 

Try again John Clayton.

 

 

Just because you know what they're going to do doesn't mean you can stop it. I like John Clayton, but that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

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Guess now we know why Dallas cut him.

 

They cut him because he sucked.

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Kreutz shouldn't have any problems with the Bears' defensive tackles because he's practiced against them for years.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/1stand10-11week2/biggest-nfl-games-week-2-john-clayton

 

Melton didn't play DT until this year, while Okoye and Paea weren't on the Bears last year.

 

Try again John Clayton.

 

Paea isn't really on the Bears this year, either.

 

because he's bad.

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