College Football - Week 2 (Sept. 10th)

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I don't know how strongly the Big East feels about allowing ND to keep its nonfootball sports there without joining in football, but if the rumors of them eyeing Kansas, K-State and Mizzou are true then the Irish may not need to consider a football conference.

 

I'm not sure how important the NBC contract will end up being. It expires after the '15 season and considering the low ratings NBC may look to go elsewhere or offer ND much less money than they could get from, say, Fox.

 

I can’t tell what you’re getting at with this. How do you think that move impacts Notre Dame?

 

And that Big East scenario would be worlds better than the SEC. Keep the traditional rivals, plus the Big East gets strengthened big time with a conference championship game, and by adding the STL/KC markets. The basketball conference would be insane, and the divisions break out perfectly in football and almost perfectly in hoops(Villanova or Georgetown probably moves to the West).

 

Yeah, I'm a bit confused by the point Andy's trying to make, as well. Clarification?

The whole "ND might be forced to join a conference" meme was based on the thesis that the Big East would collapse with the advent of superconferences. My point was that if the Big East strengthens themselves by adding those 3 teams - and if they're willing to allow ND to keep its nonfootball sports - football conference membership might not be necessarily inevitable.

 

Not really. ND will join a conference for football if they can't have a tv deal or schedule the games they want to as an independent. If the Big East collapses, a lot of those basketball programs will still need a home and ND is good enough in hoops to go into whatever conference that is. I don't think ND's football fate is closely tied to the Big East at all.

 

And I'm not sure this would be a 'meme' would it?

[fiver]

Being a Mizzou fan is already borderline miserable. I don't see the SEC making it that much worse. A non-BCS conference makes us 100% irrelevant.

 

Well that's what you get for being the mopey Mizzou guy. I'm being partly facetious because there's really no scenarios that have Mizzou in a non-BCS conference at this point. But still, aside from "they have really good football teams and money", the SEC is a horrible landing spot. They are widely considered at the bottom of BCS conferences when it comes to academics, basketball, lunatic fanbases, ethics/corruption, obnoxious conference hivemind, etc.

 

I understand why you'd prefer for Mizzou to join the Big Ten vs. the SEC, but bias clouds your judgement.

 

Mizzou would be middle of the pack academically in the SEC as Vandy, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn all rank ahead of Mizzou academically per the US News yearly poll (measure used earlier in this thread). The association between the SEC and poor academics is legitimate but overstated on this forum.

 

How would you categorize fans who did not actually attend the university (or any university) in the Big 12 presently? I believe those types of fans disproportionately contribute to the SEC's reputation of having 'lunatic fanbases'. Are SEC fans on this forum unreasonable generally? I'm going to climb out on a limb and surmise that Redflash didn't attend the University of Alabama.

 

Ethics, corruption issues exist in every conference, but I agree the SEC has more than their share. The SEC addressed Medical redshirts, oversigning issues this past year, and I believe the conference is making some strides in this area.

 

I don't understand how you'd think joining Conference USA would be preferrable.

 

How did the sec address oversigning? And you honestly believe the sec is making strides in rules violations? Oh, I forgot that auburn totally didn't do anything illegal re Cam Newton.

 

 

The SEC reduced the signing class limit from 28 to 25 earlier this year, and I agree it could still be abused, but it's progress. the SEC office must now approve medical redshirts.

 

If "Auburn" paid Cecil Newton, it was not orchestrated by the university.

[Derwood]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big East continue to exist as a non-football conference. There are plenty of schools in it that either have no football program at all, or an FCS (or lower) level program. DePaul, Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, etc., etc. will still make a very good basketball (and other sports) conference

[Butterscup1679666578]

iowa state and kansas would fit in perfectly

[Banedon]

From the Waco Tribune-Herald:

 

Baylor was among six Big 12 schools that will not sign a waiver to allow Texas A&M to go to the Southeastern Conference following a meeting of the Big 12 presidents Wednesday afternoon, a source close to Baylor told the Tribune-Herald.

 

The other schools were Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Iowa State and Missouri.

 

If Oklahoma reaffirms its commitment to the Big 12, the schools are expected to sign the waiver that would allow the Aggies to go to the SEC without any legal action. The Sooners, who are reportedly considering a move to the Pac-12, are expected to make their decision within the next two weeks.

[da bears]

Several other outlets are saying that is false. Another one is saying that Missouri, Texas, tech and osu did not sign the waiver but would not sue.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Several other outlets are saying that is false. Another one is saying that Missouri, Texas, tech and osu did not sign the waiver but would not sue.

 

yeah this is everything i've heard. Kansas, KState, Iowa State and Baylor haven't committed to not suing, but Missouri, Texas, Tech and Oklahoma State have said they won't sue, but they aren't giving up their rights. I'm pretty sure OU has agreed to the waiver because, who gives a [expletive], they're going to the Pac-12.

[snoodmonger]

Several other outlets are saying that is false. Another one is saying that Missouri, Texas, tech and osu did not sign the waiver but would not sue.

 

yeah this is everything i've heard. Kansas, KState, Iowa State and Baylor haven't committed to not suing, but Missouri, Texas, Tech and Oklahoma State have said they won't sue, but they aren't giving up their rights. I'm pretty sure OU has agreed to the waiver because, who gives a [expletive], they're going to the Pac-12.

 

KU has said they will not sue, but they will not sign the waiver.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in what the Waco paper is reporting. I wonder where there sources are located. I may be wrong, but I think as long as Baylor signs a waiver the SEC wouldn't require it from any other school. Bad thing is I don't see that happening anytime soon. I have a feeling this could get ugly. I sold my tickets to the A&M-Baylor game in College Station a month or so ago, but I now regret that decision and am looking for new ones. I want to make sure they hear me among the other 80,000 Aggies there expressing our displeasure with their shenanigans.

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I'm rooting for OU to move to the pac-12 just to watch all the state newspapers flip their [expletive]. Nothing like 9 p.m. start times with a midnight deadline. It would be hysterical.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in what the Waco paper is reporting. I wonder where there sources are located. I may be wrong, but I think as long as Baylor signs a waiver the SEC wouldn't require it from any other school. Bad thing is I don't see that happening anytime soon. I have a feeling this could get ugly. I sold my tickets to the A&M-Baylor game in College Station a month or so ago, but I now regret that decision and am looking for new ones. I want to make sure they hear me among the other 80,000 Aggies there expressing our displeasure with their shenanigans.

 

I hear you. I mean, a school [expletive] up another school's well-being out of pure self-interest and maybe a little spite. Who would do such a thing? Assholes.

[abuck1220]

yeah, poor texas a&m. i'll keep them in my prayers for sure.

[shnsajax]

Random report out of NW about Texas and ND joint approach to the Big10+2. Not sure what to think but its very detailed. Doubt Texas allows the LHN to be merged with the Big10 Network too.

 

http://northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=57&tid=162506546&mid=162506546&sid=901&style=2

[SouthSideRyan]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big East continue to exist as a non-football conference. There are plenty of schools in it that either have no football program at all, or an FCS (or lower) level program. DePaul, Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, etc., etc. will still make a very good basketball (and other sports) conference

 

Yeah, especially DePaul.

[ConstableRabbit]

Random report out of NW about Texas and ND joint approach to the Big10+2. Not sure what to think but its very detailed. Doubt Texas allows the LHN to be merged with the Big10 Network too.

 

http://northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=57&tid=162506546&mid=162506546&sid=901&style=2

I think that poster works at the B1G.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in what the Waco paper is reporting. I wonder where there sources are located. I may be wrong, but I think as long as Baylor signs a waiver the SEC wouldn't require it from any other school. Bad thing is I don't see that happening anytime soon. I have a feeling this could get ugly. I sold my tickets to the A&M-Baylor game in College Station a month or so ago, but I now regret that decision and am looking for new ones. I want to make sure they hear me among the other 80,000 Aggies there expressing our displeasure with their shenanigans.

 

I hear you. I mean, a school [expletive] up another school's well-being out of pure self-interest and maybe a little spite. Who would do such a thing? [expletive].

We're not [expletive] up anybody's well being. The Big 12-2-1 was very clear that we were easily replaceable a week or so ago. Baylor says they won't sue the SEC if OU commits to the Big 12. How the [expletive] is that our problem?

[kujay]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what the Waco paper is reporting. I wonder where there sources are located. I may be wrong, but I think as long as Baylor signs a waiver the SEC wouldn't require it from any other school. Bad thing is I don't see that happening anytime soon. I have a feeling this could get ugly. I sold my tickets to the A&M-Baylor game in College Station a month or so ago, but I now regret that decision and am looking for new ones. I want to make sure they hear me among the other 80,000 Aggies there expressing our displeasure with their shenanigans.

 

I hear you. I mean, a school [expletive] up another school's well-being out of pure self-interest and maybe a little spite. Who would do such a thing? [expletive].

We're not [expletive] up anybody's well being. The Big 12-2-1 was very clear that we were easily replaceable a week or so ago. Baylor says they won't sue the SEC if OU commits to the Big 12. How the [expletive] is that our problem?

 

Yes, they said aTm was replaceable because that's what they needed to say. Is that the problem here? Do the Aggies need to feel special?

 

Don't act like all this isn't their fault or their problem.

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Need to feel special? That's laughable. We just want to go to the SEC, which will be better off for us. The league can survive if the other 9 stay. They would just need to add 1 team to get them back to where they were before this started. We are not causing anyone's downfall. At this point, OU will seal the fate of the conference but everyone knows that ultimately it is all the fault of the longhorns. They are the reason Nebraska & Colorado left last year, why we are leaving this year, and why Oklahoma is considering leaving. If you don't believe that, then I have no idea what fantasy world you are living in.

[SouthSideRyan]

It sure seems like aTm needs to feel special.

[Guest]

If you wanted to go to the SEC, you should've gone last year before you signed a new agreement. Nothing has changed since then except the common fan freaking out about normal TV contract language, and the HS stuff that was quickly banned at the NCAA level. Pretending that aTm's movements don't impact anyone else is just being naive, and moving now when nothing changed just makes them look like they have the world's worst case of little brother syndrome. Texas is the cause of the dissension in the conference, but aTm is the only one throwing a tantrum and reneging on the same deal everyone agreed on.

[Guest]

It sure seems like aTm needs to feel special.

 

Well, they kinda are.

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If you wanted to go to the SEC, you should've gone last year before you signed a new agreement. Nothing has changed since then except the common fan freaking out about normal TV contract language, and the HS stuff that was quickly banned at the NCAA level. Pretending that aTm's movements don't impact anyone else is just being naive, and moving now when nothing changed just makes them look like they have the world's worst case of little brother syndrome. Texas is the cause of the dissension in the conference, but aTm is the only one throwing a tantrum and reneging on the same deal everyone agreed on.

I agree that we should have gone last year, but things have definitely changed since then whether you want to believe it or not. You call it throwing a tantrum, I call it securing our future. Nebraska & Colorado did it without a problem. It seems like everyone else is trying to make us special. No one threatened to sue last year. OU is obviously talking to other conferences right now, but no one is threatening to sue there. There is NOTHING we are reneging on. When asked if we were committed to the conference last year, our president said we were committed AS IT WAS AT THE TIME. That was before Nebraska & Colorado left. And OU is obviously looking alsewhere. Are they throwing a tantrum and reneging too?

[kujay]

If you wanted to go to the SEC, you should've gone last year before you signed a new agreement. Nothing has changed since then except the common fan freaking out about normal TV contract language, and the HS stuff that was quickly banned at the NCAA level. Pretending that aTm's movements don't impact anyone else is just being naive, and moving now when nothing changed just makes them look like they have the world's worst case of little brother syndrome. Texas is the cause of the dissension in the conference, but aTm is the only one throwing a tantrum and reneging on the same deal everyone agreed on.

I agree that we should have gone last year, but things have definitely changed since then whether you want to believe it or not. You call it throwing a tantrum, I call it securing our future. Nebraska & Colorado did it without a problem. It seems like everyone else is trying to make us special. No one threatened to sue last year. OU is obviously talking to other conferences right now, but no one is threatening to sue there. There is NOTHING we are reneging on. When asked if we were committed to the conference last year, our president said we were committed AS IT WAS AT THE TIME. That was before Nebraska & Colorado left. And OU is obviously looking alsewhere. Are they throwing a tantrum and reneging too?

 

This wasn't hard to find. AFTER UNL and CU announced they were leaving:

 

"Texas A&M is a proud member of the Big 12 Conference and will continue to be affiliated with the conference in the future," school president R. Bowen Loftin said in a statement.

 

Okay, I guess "in the future" can mean whatever you want it to mean. But don't act like aTm signaled this last summer.

[Guest]

I agree that we should have gone last year, but things have definitely changed since then whether you want to believe it or not.

 

How? LHN details that everyone agreed to becoming public are not changes.

 

You call it throwing a tantrum, I call it securing our future. Nebraska & Colorado did it without a problem. It seems like everyone else is trying to make us special. No one threatened to sue last year. OU is obviously talking to other conferences right now, but no one is threatening to sue there.

 

This is why it's naive to say that aTm's actions don't impact anyone. No one was actively eyeing other conferences before their hissy fit.

 

There is NOTHING we are reneging on. When asked if we were committed to the conference last year, our president said we were committed AS IT WAS AT THE TIME. That was before Nebraska & Colorado left. And OU is obviously looking alsewhere. Are they throwing a tantrum and reneging too?

 

Nebraska and Colorado left before everyone recommitted to a 10 team Big 12 and then signed a TV contract guaranteeing a large increase in revenue. Nothing's changed, and aTm's signature is still on the TV contract.

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If you wanted to go to the SEC, you should've gone last year before you signed a new agreement. Nothing has changed since then except the common fan freaking out about normal TV contract language, and the HS stuff that was quickly banned at the NCAA level. Pretending that aTm's movements don't impact anyone else is just being naive, and moving now when nothing changed just makes them look like they have the world's worst case of little brother syndrome. Texas is the cause of the dissension in the conference, but aTm is the only one throwing a tantrum and reneging on the same deal everyone agreed on.

I agree that we should have gone last year, but things have definitely changed since then whether you want to believe it or not. You call it throwing a tantrum, I call it securing our future. Nebraska & Colorado did it without a problem. It seems like everyone else is trying to make us special. No one threatened to sue last year. OU is obviously talking to other conferences right now, but no one is threatening to sue there. There is NOTHING we are reneging on. When asked if we were committed to the conference last year, our president said we were committed AS IT WAS AT THE TIME. That was before Nebraska & Colorado left. And OU is obviously looking alsewhere. Are they throwing a tantrum and reneging too?

Wait, you're not trying to get out of the tv contract you signed last year? If you're not breaching the deal, why is baylor suing?