College Football - Week 2 (Sept. 10th)

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When asked by the commissioner of the conference if we were committed BEFORE NEBRASKA & COLORADO LEFT we said we were as it was presently constructed. When they decided to leave, we flirted with the SEC but ultimately chose to stay in the Big 12 (much to the chagrin of many Aggies, myself included) and try to make it work with 10 members. At the time President Loftin released that statement, we were planning on staying. That comment was made 6-8 months before the LHN was announced. What was ultimately included in the contract was not what the other conference members agreed to ahead of time.

 

There is some question as to whether or not we even signed the new TV deal. I have yet to see proof either way. We have followed every process to the letter in order to leave the conference. Baylor is threatening a lawsuit because a) they know that the SEC doesn't want to be involved in any legal disputes no matter how baseless & b) now that OU is ready to leave they know that they are going to get left out in the cold. ANY LAWSUIT THEY MAY FILE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY BASELESS AND THEY WOULD NEVER WIN. I can sue you guys for any number of reasons. That doesn't mean I have a case. Mike Slive & Co. need to nut up and admit us without any conditions. I doubt any lawsuits are ever filed.

 

What Baylor needs to realize is that the longer they hold up this process the more they push OU out the door to the Pac-12/16. When that happens, the conference is done. If they would just let us go and focus their efforts on keeping OU in the league, they could add BYU in our place and they would still have a seat at the big boy table. But it doesn't appear that they're going to figure that out in time.

[Guest]

Holy crap, Oklahoma State is just killing Arizona. The Pac-12 South is just bad.

[Old Style]

Okie Lite is very good, but Arizona is very bad.

[kujay]

When asked by the commissioner of the conference if we were committed BEFORE NEBRASKA & COLORADO LEFT we said we were as it was presently constructed. When they decided to leave, we flirted with the SEC but ultimately chose to stay in the Big 12 (much to the chagrin of many Aggies, myself included) and try to make it work with 10 members. At the time President Loftin released that statement, we were planning on staying. That comment was made 6-8 months before the LHN was announced. What was ultimately included in the contract was not what the other conference members agreed to ahead of time.

 

There is some question as to whether or not we even signed the new TV deal. I have yet to see proof either way. We have followed every process to the letter in order to leave the conference. Baylor is threatening a lawsuit because a) they know that the SEC doesn't want to be involved in any legal disputes no matter how baseless & b) now that OU is ready to leave they know that they are going to get left out in the cold. ANY LAWSUIT THEY MAY FILE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY BASELESS AND THEY WOULD NEVER WIN. I can sue you guys for any number of reasons. That doesn't mean I have a case. Mike Slive & Co. need to nut up and admit us without any conditions. I doubt any lawsuits are ever filed.

 

What Baylor needs to realize is that the longer they hold up this process the more they push OU out the door to the Pac-12/16. When that happens, the conference is done. If they would just let us go and focus their efforts on keeping OU in the league, they could add BYU in our place and they would still have a seat at the big boy table. But it doesn't appear that they're going to figure that out in time.

 

Look, I don't know the specifics of what Baylor's lawsuit might be, so I can't offer an opinion on whether it has any merit. But if it was completely baseless, why would A&M or the SEC care if Baylor sued? As you said, anyone can file a lawsuit for anything. Doesn't mean it will get very far.

[TruffleShuffle]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

[Old Style]

Look, I don't know the specifics of what Baylor's lawsuit might be, so I can't offer an opinion on whether it has any merit. But if it was completely baseless, why would A&M or the SEC care if Baylor sued? As you said, anyone can file a lawsuit for anything. Doesn't mean it will get very far.

A&M doesn't care if any of them sue. In fact, I'm pretty sure the administration thinks Baylor & Co. are bluffing and that no lawsuits would be filed. It's not up to us, though. For some strange reason, Mike Slive wants to maintain some kind of grand image for his conference and doesn't want to get dragged into any kind of lawsuit. That's stupid for a couple of reasons. One, he should spend more time worrying about schools breaking NCAA rules in his conference. That gives them a much bigger black eye in the public than some stupid lawsuit that would never go anywhere. Two, he is weakening himself and the SEC at this point. Is he really going to let Baylor push him around and keep the conference from adding a school/TV market that they want to add? If so, any further expansion is going to be a huge mess because any other team from a conference potentially losing a member to the SEC can just threaten to sue and the process will be shut down. From what I hear, until late yesterday the "higher ups" in the SEC really believed that the whole Big 12 situation would get resolved & the conference would be saved satisfying the league peons. They didn't believe that OU would actually leave. They're starting to understand that OU is pretty much out the door at this point. I imagine that in the near future they will realize that they need to go ahead and just invite us unconditionally & see if Baylor is bluffing as most people suspect. Baylor, meanwhile, needs to send a contingent of people to every Big East school so they can get on their knees and start smiling like donuts because there seems to be a chance that the conference would be willing to add the Bears along with KU, K-State, and Missouri (should the Big 10 or SEC not come calling for them). I can't imagine all these lawsuit threats is making them look like an attractive target to other conferences looking to expand.

[Old Style]

Here is an interesting article from a lawyer/sportswriter about the potential lawsuits.

 

http://outkickthecoverage.com/why-baylors-claims-against-the-sec-have-no-merit.php

[shnsajax]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

So you didn't see that Auburn needed to score 14 points in the last 2 minutes last week to Beat Utah St by 4?

[dew1679666265]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

Mississippi State lost just 17-14 to Auburn last year and that was the Cam Newton-led Tigers. Since then Auburn lost a ton to graduation and is starting quite a few young players (talented, but young) and Mississippi State returned a good amount of players, including QB Chris Relf.

 

I don't know if fiver will agree with this, but Auburn is pretty likely to finish either 5th or 6th in West while Mississippi State could be anywhere from 2nd to 4th (depending on how well LSU and Arkansas do). Also, Auburn should have lost to Utah State last week and it took some crazy luck/clutch play/whatever for them to escape with a win.

[TruffleShuffle]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

So you didn't see that Auburn needed to score 14 points in the last 2 minutes last week to Beat Utah St by 4?

 

i did, but i just assumed that auburn had a bad game. guess they just aren't good.

[shnsajax]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

So you didn't see that Auburn needed to score 14 points in the last 2 minutes last week to Beat Utah St by 4?

 

i did, but i just assumed that auburn had a bad game. guess they just aren't good.

 

St. is playing well, think its more based on that.

[fiver]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

Mississippi State lost just 17-14 to Auburn last year and that was the Cam Newton-led Tigers. Since then Auburn lost a ton to graduation and is starting quite a few young players (talented, but young) and Mississippi State returned a good amount of players, including QB Chris Relf.

 

I don't know if fiver will agree with this, but Auburn is pretty likely to finish either 5th or 6th in West while Mississippi State could be anywhere from 2nd to 4th (depending on how well LSU and Arkansas do). Also, Auburn should have lost to Utah State last week and it took some crazy luck/clutch play/whatever for them to escape with a win.

 

I agree with dew's assessment. Auburn graduated it's largest senior class ever and have relatively few upperclassmen starting as Tubberville laid an egg recruiting his last year and a half at AU. I'll be happy if AU is bowl eligibile at the end of the year.

 

All that said, I think (hope) you'll see AU's O and D lines get better and better as the season progresses as there is a lot of young talent on the 2 deep chart for those units, and they were pretty bad in the first game of the season. I'm also hoping that true freshman, Kiehl Frazier, plays his way into the starting QB slot by the end of the year as I'm not overly impressed with Trotter or Mosely.

 

Oh, and Mississippi State is fielding their best team since the Jackie Sherrill days.

[Warpticon]

i clearly haven't been paying enough attention to college football, because i about had a heart attack when i saw that mississippi st is a 6 point favorite at auburn. i guess auburn's entire 2010 team was seniors? and mississippi st is a lot better than usual?

 

Mississippi State lost just 17-14 to Auburn last year and that was the Cam Newton-led Tigers. Since then Auburn lost a ton to graduation and is starting quite a few young players (talented, but young) and Mississippi State returned a good amount of players, including QB Chris Relf.

 

I don't know if fiver will agree with this, but Auburn is pretty likely to finish either 5th or 6th in West while Mississippi State could be anywhere from 2nd to 4th (depending on how well LSU and Arkansas do). Also, Auburn should have lost to Utah State last week and it took some crazy luck/clutch play/whatever for them to escape with a win.

 

I never understood why Auburn was ranked so high to start the season at all...I actually think I said something similar, in this thread even, but I don't remember the context. Anyway, Auburn looks like pretty clearly the 5th best team in the SEC West, at best. I would have had MSU over Auburn anyway, but especially after that sad performance last week by Auburn.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, and Mississippi State is fielding their best team since the Jackie Sherrill days.

 

Let the castrations begin!!

[fiver]

Oh, and Mississippi State is fielding their best team since the Jackie Sherrill days.

 

Let the castrations begin!!

 

 

very odd motivational technique but effective....

[sneakypower]

http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/brian-kelly-scremaing_thumb_0.jpg

[Old Style]

Oh, and Mississippi State is fielding their best team since the Jackie Sherrill days.

 

Let the castrations begin!!

 

 

very odd motivational technique but effective....

I love Jackie Sherrill.

[mul21]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

[Flames24Rulz]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

 

See snood and Mizzou fans, it's not all that bad.

[snoodmonger]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

 

See snood and Mizzou fans, it's not all that bad.

 

We'll be in the Big East or ACC. Mizzou will be in the Big East/SEC/B1G. I suppose it would be an option for our olympic sports, too.

 

I think the Big 12 stays together though, minus atm.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

 

There's no chance of the non-rev sports staying in the Big 12 while the big dogs are in the PAC.

[Tracer Bullet]

These conference names are so messed up. I propose new ones:

 

Pac 10/12/16 - Greedy

 

SEC - Cheaty

 

Big 10/1G - Dopey

 

Big 12...10...9...8 - Missouri Valley South

[kujay]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

 

There's no chance of the non-rev sports staying in the Big 12 while the big dogs are in the PAC.

 

Yeah that makes no sense.

[snoodmonger]

These conference names are so messed up. I propose new ones:

 

Pac 10/12/16 - Greedy

 

SEC - Cheaty

 

Big 10/1G - Dopey

 

Big 12...10...9...8 - Missouri Valley South

 

The Big Countdown.

[E.J.]

Wow! Just got some info from a guy who has solid connections within the Oklahoma athletic department. According to him, it's already a done deal that Texas, OU, OSU and Tech are all going to what will be the PAC-16. However, here's the interesting part: it will only be for football and basketball. All the non-revenue sports will continue to compete in the old Big 12 due to concern over travel budgets.

 

That makes zero sense. So it's going to be the Big 5 during the football season then?