Re: Darvish

[98navigator]

ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers

Agree with @DKnobler that Yu Darvish reporting is heavier on speculation than information. #Cubs are more interested than the public view.

 

Now even Roger's is trying to give the Cubs some last minute love...

[Guest]

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

Most folks guessing/assuming Jays have won Darvish bidding. But just got off the phone with an AL exec who speculates smart $ is on Rangers.

34 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

If your Twitter feed really says that's 34 minutes old, there's something wrong with your internet (or he reposted it).

[Game time is 120]

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

Most folks guessing/assuming Jays have won Darvish bidding. But just got off the phone with an AL exec who speculates smart $ is on Rangers.

34 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

If your Twitter feed really says that's 34 minutes old, there's something wrong with your internet (or he reposted it).

 

Wow! Thanks for bringing that up. I just saw it.

[CUBZ99]

ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers

Agree with @DKnobler that Yu Darvish reporting is heavier on speculation than information. #Cubs are more interested than the public view.

 

Now even Roger's is trying to give the Cubs some last minute love...

 

If the Cubs win it, that would really come out of nowhere and I would feel much better about the direction of the team. Do they ever release the bid information from the non winning teams?

[98navigator]

ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers

Agree with @DKnobler that Yu Darvish reporting is heavier on speculation than information. #Cubs are more interested than the public view.

 

Now even Roger's is trying to give the Cubs some last minute love...

 

If the Cubs win it, that would really come out of nowhere and I would feel much better about the direction of the team. Do they ever release the bid information from the non winning teams?

 

 

I don't think so. It might leak out eventually but it isn't officially released to the best of my memory.

[Guest]

ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers

Agree with @DKnobler that Yu Darvish reporting is heavier on speculation than information. #Cubs are more interested than the public view.

 

Now even Roger's is trying to give the Cubs some last minute love...

 

If the Cubs win it, that would really come out of nowhere and I would feel much better about the direction of the team. Do they ever release the bid information from the non winning teams?

I feel better about the direction of the team regardless of the outcome. I remember when Fukudome was signed and this place was all a buzz. Frankly, I think Darvish is not going to be worth the cost. But that's just me. If they win I'm not going to heap praise until Darvish produces.

[Yeti]

what time is this thing supposed to go down?

[BCVM22]

what time is this thing supposed to go down?

 

If I were a betting man, some time between 9 PM and midnight central time.

[dew1679666265]

We should find out in about two hours that we are acting like the K.C. Royals and not a major market team.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Cubs are acting like an organization that finally has a long-term plan.

 

Giving a 6 year/$50 million contract (estimate) with a $60 million posting fee (estimate) to a 26 year old pitcher who is widely thought to have star potential is contrary to a long-term oriented plan? I can understand questioning how much success Darvish will have in the majors, but the simple act of signing him is not an indication of not having a long term plan.

[davell]

Yeah, Knobler tweeted within the last hour we may still be 3 or 4 hours away from hearing. I'm not thinking we're going to win, but I do think that this could set off a rash of moves from us this week anyway, win or lose. If we win, I could see Fielder signed before Christmas. If we lose, I could see Garza and Marshall dealt and we go in a different direction.

[Northside Blues]

I don't see why a team does not bid 60 million, give him a 5 year 40 million dollar offer with performance bonuses (relatively easily attainable if he is indeed a top 10 pitcher) that would increase the value to 5 years 80 million.

 

Some set up like this:

 

$8M base salary (his salary in Japan last year was 5 million)

+ $2M for 200K

+ $2M for ERA below 3.25

+ $2M for 18 W

+ $2M for WHIP below 1.15

 

Also make all of the incentives kick in for that season, and every year afterwards automatically. For instance, if Darvish struck out 200 hitters in the first year of his contract he gets the $2m bonus for the entire length of the contract (ie his base would go up to ten). If he fails to have an ERA below 3.25 the first year, but does in year 2, he gets the bonus the last four years. And so on.

 

Structuring the contract like this does two things from the teams perspective. First, it allows an extremely large bid to be placed. Secondly, if he's not a success, then we aren't really worse of if we would have done a lower bid and a larger contract (had it won). Also, one he puts up those numbers it would become obvious that he was the real deal and would have warranted a contract comparable to Cliff Lee or CC Sabathia.

 

From Darvish's perspective he still gets better money than if he stayed in Japan. And, if he hits the bonuses he would make more money than he likely would have gotten in a deal without bonuses.

 

I made the numbers up and the performance marks. You can adjust them accordingly. I don't see why we dont give Japanese players a fair contract that has risk (and upside) built in. It's not like Darvish has a choice to sign with another team. He can go back to Japan for 3 years if he wants to.

[98navigator]

Speculation on PSD is Cubs won Darvish. Nothing more to back it up... Oh yeah, someone posted a story supposedly by Levine but I don't see it online.

 

Looks like BS. As suspected

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[jersey cubs fan]

You can't give performance bonuses

[Northside Blues]

You can't give performance bonuses

 

fine then create a work-around. Have the contract be a one year deal with multiple options that work around that. if that doesnt work, then do the same plan as above but having to do with voting in the CYA, MVP and ROY.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yu Darvish will be very excited to sign a 1 year contract.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah work arounds. Then the cubs can just write it off.

[Northside Blues]

Yu Darvish will be very excited to sign a 1 year contract.

 

Not if we make it such that one of the options will vest no matter what. It's very complicated and out of the box and Selig would probably step in, but hey worth a shot.

 

Even if we dont, cant we include in his contract that we wont non-tender him until 5 years service time? If he gets 12 mil in year one, his contract can only go down a certain percent.

[Guest]

Yeah work arounds. Then the cubs can just write it off.

 

 

Do you even know what a write off is?

[Vanilla Ice]

Yu Darvish will be very excited to sign a 1 year contract.

 

Not if we make it such that one of the options will vest no matter what. It's very complicated and out of the box and Selig would probably step in, but hey worth a shot.

 

Even if we dont, cant we include in his contract that we wont non-tender him until 5 years service time? If he gets 12 mil in year one, his contract can only go down a certain percent.

If they vest no matter what, what's the point?

[CincyCubsFan]

Yeah work arounds. Then the cubs can just write it off.

 

 

Do you even know what a write off is?

 

But *they* do. And they're the ones writing it off.

[Northside Blues]

Yu Darvish will be very excited to sign a 1 year contract.

 

Not if we make it such that one of the options will vest no matter what. It's very complicated and out of the box and Selig would probably step in, but hey worth a shot.

 

Even if we dont, cant we include in his contract that we wont non-tender him until 5 years service time? If he gets 12 mil in year one, his contract can only go down a certain percent.

If they vest no matter what, what's the point?

 

is there a rule against a countract that says option A vests if one thing happens and option B if another does?

[Northside Blues]

If you're not allowed to do that. Just give him a bonus of $10m if he finishes top 10 in CY voting in year one (paid by 2m for the next five years). If he finishes top 8 in Cy voting he gets another 10m, top 6 another 10m and so on.

 

Then in year 2 he gets an $8m bonus if he finishes in the top ___ (paid by 2m each of the next four years), and if he has hit that high of a vote before, he cant get the bonus (but can get higher ones).

Edited December 20, 2011 by Northside Blues

[jersey cubs fan]

If you're not allowed to do that. Just give him a bonus of $10m if he finishes top 10 in CY voting in year one (paid by 2m for the next five years). If he finishes top 8 in Cy voting he gets another 10m, top 6 another 10m and so on.

 

Then in year 2 he gets an $8m bonus if he finishes in the top ___ (paid by 2m each of the next four years), and if he has hit that high of a vote before, he cant get the bonus (but can get higher ones).

Why not just give him $50m?

[NonProfitCow]

If you're not allowed to do that. Just give him a bonus of $10m if he finishes top 10 in CY voting in year one (paid by 2m for the next five years). If he finishes top 8 in Cy voting he gets another 10m, top 6 another 10m and so on.

 

Then in year 2 he gets an $8m bonus if he finishes in the top ___ (paid by 2m each of the next four years), and if he has hit that high of a vote before, he cant get the bonus (but can get higher ones).

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