Re: Darvish

[davell]

How would Arizona Phil have any idea how the team would treat the posting fee?

 

Asking scouts, maybe? I'm not really sure, but it certainly made sense to me when he said it.

[erik316wttn]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

Pretty much.

 

If we went the firesale route and got some exciting young talent in return, I could still have fun following the team even if we only win 65 games.

 

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

 

I wouldn't be too upset over not adding Darvish. My guess is as good as anyone's as to whether he'll be successful here or not, but I wouldn't want Theo and Co. investing $100+ MM on something that could turn out to be an unknown. At least we know what Fielder is capable of because he's been doing it at this level for several years. We just can't afford a risk like that right now.

[javy knows my name]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

Pretty much.

 

If we went the firesale route and got some exciting young talent in return, I could still have fun following the team even if we only win 65 games.

 

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

 

I wouldn't be too upset over not adding Darvish. My guess is as good as anyone's as to whether he'll be successful here or not, but I wouldn't want Theo and Co. investing $100+ MM on something that could turn out to be an unknown. At least we know what Fielder is capable of because he's been doing it at this level for several years. We just can't afford a risk like that right now.

 

Almost the exact opposite is true, in my opinion. Darvish is hardly an unknown, for one. He doesn't have Dice-K's injury red flags (smaller guy, herky-jerky motion) and he's younger. I mean, I prefer what Darvish is likely to get over what Fielder will get despite the fact that the guy is a pitcher, and 5+ years for a pitcher is terrible, terrifying thing.

[Abe Frohman]

I looked up Darvish on wiki, and noticed that in his career he has missed time with a "sore back" and "sore hips." Sounds like a possible disc issue? I wonder if that is a problem that is being disregarded.

[Vinestal]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

Pretty much.

 

If we went the firesale route and got some exciting young talent in return, I could still have fun following the team even if we only win 65 games.

 

 

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

I wouldn't be too upset over not adding Darvish. My guess is as good as anyone's as to whether he'll be successful here or not, but I wouldn't want Theo and Co. investing $100+ MM on something that could turn out to be an unknown. At least we know what Fielder is capable of because he's been doing it at this level for several years. We just can't afford a risk like that right now.

 

I'd much rather have Darvish than Fielder, I'm sure I'm in the minority on that though. I think Darvish is more likely than Fielder to contribute to a winning team over the long haul. Fielder is going to break down quickly I don't see him being as productive as he has for more than 3 to 4 years. It's also easier to find production at first than it is to add an ace starter.

[jersey cubs fan]

Almost the exact opposite is true, in my opinion. Darvish is hardly an unknown, for one. He doesn't have Dice-K's injury red flags (smaller guy, herky-jerky motion) and he's younger. I mean, I prefer what Darvish is likely to get over what Fielder will get despite the fact that the guy is a pitcher, and 5+ years for a pitcher is terrible, terrifying thing.

 

Isn't he essentially the same age that Daisuke was when he was posted?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd much rather have Darvish than Fielder, I'm sure I'm in the minority on that though. I think Darvish is more likely than Fielder to contribute to a winning team over the long haul. Fielder is going to break down quickly I don't see him being as productive as he has for more than 3 to 4 years. It's also easier to find production at first than it is to add an ace starter.

 

I have two questions marks about Darvish, while I expect him to be good, there's still quite a bit of variance on what we can reasonably expect out of him. And two, while Fielder's longevity issues are real, a pitcher never has the upper hand in that debate, especially one coming over from Japan.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

Pretty much.

 

If we went the firesale route and got some exciting young talent in return, I could still have fun following the team even if we only win 65 games.

 

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

 

I wonder what kind I prospects and young players we could end up with if we moved Garza, Soto, Marshall, Demoster, Marmol, and Byrd. Guys like Russell, Baker, Wells, DeWitt, and Barney should have some value as well. With Soriano and Zambrano, who knows. DeJesus is another one who would be a candidate to move on a fire sale but off the top of my head I can't think of a time a guy who'd just signed a multi year deal was traded before ever playing a game with the team.

[jersey cubs fan]

DeJesus is another one who would be a candidate to move on a fire sale but off the top of my head I can't think of a time a guy who'd just signed a multi year deal was traded before ever playing a game with the team.

 

That's because they can't be traded until July.

[MSG T]

Almost the exact opposite is true, in my opinion. Darvish is hardly an unknown, for one. He doesn't have Dice-K's injury red flags (smaller guy, herky-jerky motion) and he's younger. I mean, I prefer what Darvish is likely to get over what Fielder will get despite the fact that the guy is a pitcher, and 5+ years for a pitcher is terrible, terrifying thing.

 

Isn't he essentially the same age that Daisuke was when he was posted?

 

I believe Darvish is a year younger than Daisuke was.

[Guest]

DeJesus is another one who would be a candidate to move on a fire sale but off the top of my head I can't think of a time a guy who'd just signed a multi year deal was traded before ever playing a game with the team.

 

That's because they can't be traded until July.

Is it not June 15 under the new CBA?

[Guest]

Almost the exact opposite is true, in my opinion. Darvish is hardly an unknown, for one. He doesn't have Dice-K's injury red flags (smaller guy, herky-jerky motion) and he's younger. I mean, I prefer what Darvish is likely to get over what Fielder will get despite the fact that the guy is a pitcher, and 5+ years for a pitcher is terrible, terrifying thing.

 

Isn't he essentially the same age that Daisuke was when he was posted?

 

I believe Darvish is a year younger than Daisuke was.

 

Correct. Darvish is 25, Matsuzaka was 26 when he was posted.

[dew1679666265]

If this was already posted, I apologize....

 

MLBTR

 

6:04pm: There are reports from Japan indicating the winning bid for Darvish was around $48MM, tweets MLB.com's Anthony Castrovince. Castrovince includes a Blue Jays hashtag on his tweet, but notes that nothing is confirmed about either the bid price or the winning team.

[Guest]

Would be kind of annoyed if we didn't at least hit $50M.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I really, really wish we'd bid $49 million :(

[Guest]

I really, really wish we'd bid $49 million :(

 

If that report is accurate, I really really wish we'd bid around $48 million.

[Guest]

Makes you wonder about the "Blue Jays put in a megabid" reports that are driving the sentiment that they're the favorites.

[dew1679666265]

Makes you wonder about the "Blue Jays put in a megabid" reports that are driving the sentiment that they're the favorites.

 

Yeah, the early reports that the Ham Fighters were really excited about the top bid seem to be in conflict with this. Most of the rumors we heard said that $40-50 million was the expected range to win the bidding. This falls in the higher end of that, but is still in that range. That could mean either the Ham Fighters were expecting less than the U.S. rumors would indicate, or the rumors about the Blue Jays blowing everybody away may be inaccurate.

 

Not sure this means anything for the Cubs, though.

[Guest]

Makes you wonder about the "Blue Jays put in a megabid" reports that are driving the sentiment that they're the favorites.

 

Sure does...only thing is the Post did report that their bid was between 40-50M, which is obviously a pretty wide range.

[UMFan83]

There was another report I believe that said that there were a gap between the winner and everyone else. If that's the case, and the Jays bid between 40-50 million, it doesn't look very good for the Cubs bid. Still holding out hope that like 90% of information from 'sources' this is BS

[98navigator]

There was another report I believe that said that there were a gap between the winner and everyone else. If that's the case, and the Jays bid between 40-50 million, it doesn't look very good for the Cubs bid. Still holding out hope that like 90% of information from 'sources' this is BS

 

Exactly

[davell]

If the Blue Jays win the bid and it's 50 mill, then they have to give him 5/75 on top of that, I'm not sure I'll be all that disappointed. In the end, it's 25 mill a year for a guy who's never thrown a pitch in the majors. Don't get me wrong, I want him to be a Cub. But, at those numbers, we could very well be better off waiting for an ace out of next year's FA class.

[98navigator]

Saw this on PSD (don't know the credibility of the person who tweeted but she/he claims to have inside info):

 

PioDeportes1 Getting conflicting info on Darvish. Not sure if #BlueJays won. Yankees made a huge bid.

 

Also:

 

@donnomura when a team posts a player it shld mean that the fee shldnt matter. they r letting him go to mlb so why even wait on approving.

[NonProfitCow]

Goldstein in saying there is a high bid and Nippon Ham knows the dollar amount but does not know the team. No bidding team knows if they've won or lost. The most Goldstein is getting from his sources is that they "feel their bid is competitive."

[Guest]

Goldstein in saying there is a high bid and Nippon Ham knows the dollar amount but does not know the team. No bidding team knows if they've won or lost. The most Goldstein is getting from his sources is that they "feel their bid is competitive."

 

Who is they?