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He has another arm, doesn't he? Start throwing with that one.

 

But seriously, this is absolutely absurd. You have to wonder how many Japanese HS pitchers have been ruined over the years that could have turned into solid-great major league pitchers if they weren't abused like this before the age of 20.

 

There's quite a bit of history of prep arm abuse in Japan (and Korea) but Anraku is easily the worst case because apparently he's the only good pitcher on his HS team.

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David Dahl was demoted to extended spring training after one game for disciplinary reasons (missing the team flight).
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The Angels called up Michael Roth, making him the second player from the 2012 draft to make it to the big leagues.

 

He struck out 4 of the 6 batters he faced in 2 scoreless.

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http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2013/04/bundy-getting-second-opinion-from-dr-andrews.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Dylan Bundy felt discomfort while throwing from 90 feet and is now getting a second opinion from Dr. Andrews.

It's a good thing they had him stop throwing cutters last year since, you know, that's the only thing that can wreck a pitchers arm (or whatever connection their dumb ass pitching coach was trying to make about cutters and injuries).

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Dylan Bundy felt discomfort while throwing from 90 feet and is now getting a second opinion from Dr. Andrews.

It's a good thing they had him stop throwing cutters last year since, you know, that's the only thing that can wreck a pitchers arm (or whatever connection their dumb ass pitching coach was trying to make about cutters and injuries).

 

It was silly, but it's not like not throwing cutters got him hurt.

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Dylan Bundy felt discomfort while throwing from 90 feet and is now getting a second opinion from Dr. Andrews.

It's a good thing they had him stop throwing cutters last year since, you know, that's the only thing that can wreck a pitchers arm (or whatever connection their dumb ass pitching coach was trying to make about cutters and injuries).

 

It was silly, but it's not like not throwing cutters got him hurt.

I agree, this probably would have happened eventually. But do you think the process could have been expedited by making him drop the cutter last year (a pitch he's thrown for a long time) and making him throw more sliders/curveballs (pitches he hadn't thrown that long/didn't use a ton)?

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Thought this was interesting:

 

Dan (Miami)

 

As an O's fan, should I be furious about how the team handled Bundy?

Klaw  (1:07 PM)

 

Furious might not be the word, but I think it's reasonable to be disappointed. It's not clear what they gained by clamping down on his workload, scrapping the cutter, and forcing him to get the ball to the plate more quickly, and it's possible one or more parts of that helped precipitate the injury. It seems like they operated based on some mistaken or unproven beliefs about pitcher health, which isn't the ideal way to handle your top arm.

 

Steve (Anaheim)

 

I don't quite understand the bundy answer. Lower workload and ditching the cutter "helped precipitate" the injury? Is there research out there that says lower workloads is bad? I know there's no research that says higher workloads is bad, but I don't see how you can make the connection that a lower workload facilitates an injury or ditching a particular pitch. The forcing him to get to the plate more makes more sense though.

Klaw  (2:07 PM)

 

Putting in more effort because you know you're only in for 50 pitches. Throwing a pitch you're less comfortable throwing, because you're being forced to (not a bad thing) and have to do it a lot because your main weapon is gone (not a good thing). Just a few reasons why rigid limits like those could work against you.

 

Muzzy (Leicester)

 

I would sum up the Bundy injury discussion thusly: Bundy was healthy, then he was asked to change what he was doing when he was healthy, then he got hurt. Based on that, it is reasonable to suggest that changing what he was doing may have increased the likelihood of injury. Is that about right? I get the impression some folks aren't getting it.

Klaw  (2:17 PM)

 

Nicely done. I agree with all of that.

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Thought this was interesting:

 

Dan (Miami)

 

As an O's fan, should I be furious about how the team handled Bundy?

Klaw  (1:07 PM)

 

Furious might not be the word, but I think it's reasonable to be disappointed. It's not clear what they gained by clamping down on his workload, scrapping the cutter, and forcing him to get the ball to the plate more quickly, and it's possible one or more parts of that helped precipitate the injury. It seems like they operated based on some mistaken or unproven beliefs about pitcher health, which isn't the ideal way to handle your top arm.

 

Steve (Anaheim)

 

I don't quite understand the bundy answer. Lower workload and ditching the cutter "helped precipitate" the injury? Is there research out there that says lower workloads is bad? I know there's no research that says higher workloads is bad, but I don't see how you can make the connection that a lower workload facilitates an injury or ditching a particular pitch. The forcing him to get to the plate more makes more sense though.

Klaw  (2:07 PM)

 

Putting in more effort because you know you're only in for 50 pitches. Throwing a pitch you're less comfortable throwing, because you're being forced to (not a bad thing) and have to do it a lot because your main weapon is gone (not a good thing). Just a few reasons why rigid limits like those could work against you.

 

Muzzy (Leicester)

 

I would sum up the Bundy injury discussion thusly: Bundy was healthy, then he was asked to change what he was doing when he was healthy, then he got hurt. Based on that, it is reasonable to suggest that changing what he was doing may have increased the likelihood of injury. Is that about right? I get the impression some folks aren't getting it.

Klaw  (2:17 PM)

 

Nicely done. I agree with all of that.

 

Where is this chat?

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Thought this was interesting:

 

Dan (Miami)

 

As an O's fan, should I be furious about how the team handled Bundy?

Klaw  (1:07 PM)

 

Furious might not be the word, but I think it's reasonable to be disappointed. It's not clear what they gained by clamping down on his workload, scrapping the cutter, and forcing him to get the ball to the plate more quickly, and it's possible one or more parts of that helped precipitate the injury. It seems like they operated based on some mistaken or unproven beliefs about pitcher health, which isn't the ideal way to handle your top arm.

 

Steve (Anaheim)

 

I don't quite understand the bundy answer. Lower workload and ditching the cutter "helped precipitate" the injury? Is there research out there that says lower workloads is bad? I know there's no research that says higher workloads is bad, but I don't see how you can make the connection that a lower workload facilitates an injury or ditching a particular pitch. The forcing him to get to the plate more makes more sense though.

Klaw  (2:07 PM)

 

Putting in more effort because you know you're only in for 50 pitches. Throwing a pitch you're less comfortable throwing, because you're being forced to (not a bad thing) and have to do it a lot because your main weapon is gone (not a good thing). Just a few reasons why rigid limits like those could work against you.

 

Muzzy (Leicester)

 

I would sum up the Bundy injury discussion thusly: Bundy was healthy, then he was asked to change what he was doing when he was healthy, then he got hurt. Based on that, it is reasonable to suggest that changing what he was doing may have increased the likelihood of injury. Is that about right? I get the impression some folks aren't getting it.

Klaw  (2:17 PM)

 

Nicely done. I agree with all of that.

 

Where is this chat?

ESPN, he does one every Thursday usually

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Yasiel Puig in trouble - was going 97 in a 50 zone in Chattanooga. He was charged with speeding, reckless driving, and financial responsibility (no car insurance).
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Cardinals call up Carlos Martinez. He'll be coming out of their bullpen.

 

Can we all laugh at the Red Sox for rushing Jackie Bradley Jr based on his spring training performance?

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Zunino's kind of struggled in the PCL so far, though it could just be SSS/BABIP:

 

.200/.305/.488

 

It's kind of insane he's even in the PCL. I know he was advanced coming out of Florida, but damn.

 

Not really. We have to re-evaluate the speed with which guys move up now that the signing deadline allows nearly 2 extra months of minor league time.

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