Aramis will not waive no trade clause

[Men in Blue]

I hope he changes his mind. He's been my favorite Cubs player for a while now, but it's time to go.

 

“He doesn’t even want to take a trade. He took less years and less money to stay in Chicago (in 2006), so that is definitely his first option,” Kinzer said via phone from Florida. “Aramis has a full no-trade clause, so he doesn’t want to go anywhere. He’s a 10-and-5 guy and I don’t think he’ll go anywhere. We will have to see when it comes to that.”

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-agent-ramirez-wont-give-up-notrade-clause-20110607,0,414526.story

[drcub1908]

A lot of athletes claim they want to win. I read that if he is traded, his option for next year kicks in. I would think he

would welcome a trade to a contender and get a chance at a ring. I dont want to hear from his agent about he took less

money to be here. 75 MILLION and he will get MORE. Allow to be traded and let's gut this team.

[kujay]

A lot of athletes claim they want to win. I read that if he is traded, his option for next year kicks in. I would think he

would welcome a trade to a contender and get a chance at a ring. I dont want to hear from his agent about he took less

money to be here. 75 MILLION and he will get MORE. Allow to be traded and let's gut this team.

 

I know it's his right, but it would be a pretty punk thing to do to not accept a trade to a contender. First, it shows no appreciation for all the money the Cubs have paid him. And second, and more importantly, it shows that he really has no desire to win and doesn't want to deal with the pressure of a pennant race at this point in his career. Who wants that kind of guy around?

[javy knows my name]

Kind of mystifying why he doesn't want to get moved. He has to know we aren't picking up that option next year, so the only way he gets it is if he does approve a trade. That's not to mention that he's currently on a sinking ship and should be looking to go to a contender about now.

 

If it's good ol'-fashioned team loyalty, then that's commendable. But he's costing himself both money and a chance to win by sticking with us through this year.

[javy knows my name]

A lot of athletes claim they want to win. I read that if he is traded, his option for next year kicks in. I would think he

would welcome a trade to a contender and get a chance at a ring. I dont want to hear from his agent about he took less

money to be here. 75 MILLION and he will get MORE. Allow to be traded and let's gut this team.

 

I know it's his right, but it would be a pretty punk thing to do to not accept a trade to a contender. First, it shows no appreciation for all the money the Cubs have paid him. And second, and more importantly, it shows that he really has no desire to win and doesn't want to deal with the pressure of a pennant race at this point in his career. Who wants that kind of guy around?

 

There are no other options there? Like enjoying the city/team to the detriment of his pocketbook (and trophy case)? That's really overly critical of the guy at this stage.

[jersey cubs fan]

His contract is not favorable for anybody wanting to trade for him. I doubt you could get much unless he had a huge turnaround. I really don't see much point in trying to trade him and I can't fault the best Cubs player of the past 9 years for not wanting to be traded. If he was the same guy but the Cubs acquired him in 2007, maybe I'd feel differently.

[CubColtPacer]

I look at Aramis the same way as Wood. Both gave up a lot of money to stay with the Cubs. If they want to refuse a trade for the same reason, that's perfectly ok with me.

[davearm2]

Misleading title. Nothing in the agent's quotes say he will not waive his NTC.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you want to be cynical about it, he's floating this out there now so teams don't bother coming to him in late July asking him to waive his guaranteed year next year in return for going to a contender.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you want to be cynical about it, he's floating this out there now so teams don't bother coming to him in late July asking him to waive his guaranteed year next year in return for going to a contender.

 

Would the MLBPA allow him to waive that guaranteed money?

[UMFan83]

*waits for Rosenbloom column where he makes a remark like 'Of course he wants to stay here. Why would he want to play somewhere else where he can get paid to look disinterested and halfass it with no accountability?"*

[Men in Blue]

*waits for Rosenbloom column where he makes a remark like 'Of course he wants to stay here. Why would he want to play somewhere else where he can get paid to look disinterested and halfass it with no accountability?"*

 

No doubt about that.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you want to be cynical about it, he's floating this out there now so teams don't bother coming to him in late July asking him to waive his guaranteed year next year in return for going to a contender.

 

Would the MLBPA allow him to waive that guaranteed money?

 

I'm not certain on that, but didn't Sosa do that when he went to Baltimore? I believe you can't reduce the value of your current contract in total dollars, i.e. simply take a paycut, but if you agree to not have an option vest it's viewed differently. (It won't happen, but one could argue he feels he can make more money as a free agent than he would from the option)

[jersey cubs fan]

Agent Paul Kinzer said Tuesday that Ramirez most likely would not drop his no-trade clause this season and hopes to play for the Cubs again in 2012.

 

“He doesn’t even want to take a trade. He took less years and less money to stay in Chicago (in 2006), so that is definitely his first option,” Kinzer said via phone from Florida. “Aramis has a full no-trade clause, so he doesn’t want to go anywhere. He’s a 10-and-5 guy and I don’t think he’ll go anywhere. We will have to see when it comes to that.”

 

Definitely not a complete refusal to waive it.

[javy knows my name]

*waits for Rosenbloom column where he makes a remark like 'Of course he wants to stay here. Why would he want to play somewhere else where he can get paid to look disinterested and halfass it with no accountability?"*

 

Kujay basically said that already

[jersey cubs fan]

If you want to be cynical about it, he's floating this out there now so teams don't bother coming to him in late July asking him to waive his guaranteed year next year in return for going to a contender.

 

Would the MLBPA allow him to waive that guaranteed money?

 

I'm not certain on that, but didn't Sosa do that when he went to Baltimore? I believe you can't reduce the value of your current contract in total dollars, i.e. simply take a paycut, but if you agree to not have an option vest it's viewed differently. (It won't happen, but one could argue he feels he can make more money as a free agent than he would from the option)

 

I don't know, was Sosa's a player option? The Cubs still paid his salary for the first year. With Aramis it is a team option that kicks in automatically if traded. And if he voids it he doesn't get the buyout.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you want to be cynical about it, he's floating this out there now so teams don't bother coming to him in late July asking him to waive his guaranteed year next year in return for going to a contender.

 

Would the MLBPA allow him to waive that guaranteed money?

 

I'm not certain on that, but didn't Sosa do that when he went to Baltimore? I believe you can't reduce the value of your current contract in total dollars, i.e. simply take a paycut, but if you agree to not have an option vest it's viewed differently. (It won't happen, but one could argue he feels he can make more money as a free agent than he would from the option)

 

I don't know, was Sosa's a player option? The Cubs still paid his salary for the first year. With Aramis it is a team option that kicks in automatically if traded. And if he voids it he doesn't get the buyout.

 

Almost positive Sosa's was the same deal. A team option (vesting on trdae)that he sulked about us not picking up in advance either in '03 or '04 ST.

 

ETA:

 

Chicago Cubs outfielder Sammy Sosa will be traded to the Baltimore Orioles for infielder Jerry Hairston and at least two minor-leaguers, pending physicals and approval from commissioner Bud Selig and the players’ association. An Orioles source told ESPN’s Tim Kurkjian that the only way the trade will not happen is if someone fails a physical.

 

A source told ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick the Cubs will be responsible for about $10 million of Sosa’s $17 million contract in 2005. The Associated Press reported sources said Sosa would agree to void his salary in 2006. Sosa’s contract gives the Cubs an $18 million option in 2006 with a $4.5 million buyout. But the contract says that if he is traded, his 2006 salary would become guaranteed and a 2007 club option would be added at $19 million with a $4.5 million buyout. The players’ association had told Sosa’s agent, Adam Katz, several weeks ago that voiding the option would not be a problem.

 

[Little Slide Rooter]

We love you to Rammy. Now maybe you can put your money where your mouth is and resign on an incentive laden deal after they decline the 2012 option.

[A New Era]

We love you to Rammy. Now maybe you can put your money where your mouth is and resign on an incentive laden deal after they decline the 2012 option.

 

We won't have to ask for any favors if he keeps his pace. That will be about all his market value will be as a free agent.

[questionmarkgrace]

We love you to Rammy. Now maybe you can put your money where your mouth is and resign on an incentive laden deal after they decline the 2012 option.

 

Unfortunately thats probably the case. There are virtually no quality third baseman available next year. So I guess we will get to watch him swing at the first pitch and pop up to the infield all next year too.

[Brett]

Maybe he just doesn't want to play anymore after 2011.

[Tryptamine]

Maybe he just doesn't want to play anymore after 2011.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if he retired after this year. He already hinted that he didn't intend to play for a lot longer. I am a bit surprised to think that he would want out so badly that he's willing to give up the 16 million dollar option though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe he just doesn't want to play anymore after 2011.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if he retired after this year. He already hinted that he didn't intend to play for a lot longer. I am a bit surprised to think that he would want out so badly that he's willing to give up the 16 million dollar option though.

 

It's not his option, yet.

[Guest]

I have no hard feelings about a player who took less than market value to play here not wanting to be traded.

 

I will be annoyed when we don't offer arbitration, though. It'll be the right decision if Aramis continues his current pace and finishes with less than 10 hr. But I'll be annoyed that once again we lose out on extra draft picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have no hard feelings about a player who took less than market value to play here not wanting to be traded.

 

I will be annoyed when we don't offer arbitration, though. It'll be the right decision if Aramis continues his current pace and finishes with less than 10 hr. But I'll be annoyed that once again we lose out on extra draft picks.

 

What's the best case scenario if he accepts arbitration? They can only offer as little as 80% of his 2011 salary? Can they cut him and only pay portion of reward? With no other apparent 3B options, is there any chance it's worth it?