If the Cubs were sellers right now

[Sammy Sofa]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

This is a joke, right?

[erik316wttn]

Just inform all us simpletons, Benchwarmer:

 

How exactly does a win-loss record reflect on a middle reliever's ability and level of talent?

[bcl412]

I just clicked on this thread by accident and read that. It has to be trolling, I didn't even cite a W/L record for a reliever when I was younger and thought it meant something as a stat.

[Benchwarmer]

Just inform all us simpletons, Benchwarmer:

 

How exactly does a win-loss record reflect on a middle reliever's ability and level of talent?

 

Let's see..pretty easy...I expect a middle reliever to not put men on base and not give up runs. As of today, Wood 'the thrower':

 

WHIP 1.38 192 for all relievers

 

.336 OBA 195 for all relievers

 

.419 SLG 244 for all relievers

 

.250 WPCT 168 of 174 relievers with a record

 

It's just the middle of June and time for him to go on the DL.

 

What a warrior.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, this has to be a gag. Even when he rebounds and starts making a real argument he caps it off with winning percentage.

[dew1679666265]

Just inform all us simpletons, Benchwarmer:

 

How exactly does a win-loss record reflect on a middle reliever's ability and level of talent?

 

Let's see..pretty easy...I expect a middle reliever to not put men on base and not give up runs. As of today, Wood 'the thrower':

 

WHIP 1.38 192 for all relievers

 

.336 OBA 195 for all relievers

 

.419 SLG 244 for all relievers

 

.250 WPCT 168 of 174 relievers with a record

 

It's just the middle of June and time for him to go on the DL.

 

What a warrior.

 

So in everything but slugging against (and winning percentage, but that isn't a very meaningful stat, especially for relievers) that you listed, Wood is right around average out of 363 total relievers. And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find). So he's being paid below average money to give us average-below average production - seems like a good deal.

 

And if you want to discuss reliever's winning percentage, keep in mind it's very heavily influenced by team record, so Kerry's will be weighted against him no matter how he's pitching because the Cubs are bad - it's the same for any pitcher who pitches for the Cubs this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find).

 

That's really the average reliever salary? What's the median?

[CubColtPacer]

And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find).

 

That's really the average reliever salary? What's the median?

 

According to this article, he's right:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915468

 

The last time I could find a median was 2007 and it was 950,000 then. It probably has gone up a little bit since then.

[dew1679666265]

And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find).

 

That's really the average reliever salary? What's the median?

 

I don't know the median either. There are some really high end contracts (Rivera, Cordero for example), but a ton of guys making next to nothing too. As a complete and utter guess, I'd say Kerry is probably on the lower end salary for veteran relievers though.

 

Relievers seem to be either incredibly cheap or way too expensive. It's hard to find guys in the middle ground like Kerry is in.

[Guest]

The only fair comparison would be FA relievers, too.

[jersey cubs fan]

And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find).

 

That's really the average reliever salary? What's the median?

 

I don't know the median either. There are some really high end contracts (Rivera, Cordero for example), but a ton of guys making next to nothing too. As a complete and utter guess, I'd say Kerry is probably on the lower end salary for veteran relievers though.

 

Relievers seem to be either incredibly cheap or way too expensive. It's hard to find guys in the middle ground like Kerry is in.

 

Really? I think there are plenty of $1-2m relievers out there.

[CubColtPacer]

And yet, his $1.5 million is more than half a million cheaper than the average reliever's salary ($2.11) as of the end of the 2010 season (most recent data I could find).

 

That's really the average reliever salary? What's the median?

 

I don't know the median either. There are some really high end contracts (Rivera, Cordero for example), but a ton of guys making next to nothing too. As a complete and utter guess, I'd say Kerry is probably on the lower end salary for veteran relievers though.

 

Relievers seem to be either incredibly cheap or way too expensive. It's hard to find guys in the middle ground like Kerry is in.

 

Really? I think there are plenty of $1-2m relievers out there.

 

Yeah, there are a decent number of them. Last year there were 11 FA relievers that signed 1 year deals for between 1 and 2 million (including the two endpoints). The year before there were 5 and the year before that 7.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, there are a decent number of them. Last year there were 11 FA relievers that signed 1 year deals for between 1 and 2 million (including the two endpoints). The year before there were 5 and the year before that 7.

 

Ah, was going off perception rather than facts on that comment. It just seemed like I had seen a bunch of really cheap guys or guys signing for $3-4 million/yr.

[javy knows my name]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

This is a joke, right?

 

Breaking news: Benchwarmer is still the worst

 

FDB and ban this [expletive]

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, there are a decent number of them. Last year there were 11 FA relievers that signed 1 year deals for between 1 and 2 million (including the two endpoints). The year before there were 5 and the year before that 7.

 

Ah, was going off perception rather than facts on that comment. It just seemed like I had seen a bunch of really cheap guys or guys signing for $3-4 million/yr.

 

I'm just going off perception as well, it just seems every LCS team has a $1.2m reliever coming back from something or other and getting ready to cash-in on a stupid contract.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, there are a decent number of them. Last year there were 11 FA relievers that signed 1 year deals for between 1 and 2 million (including the two endpoints). The year before there were 5 and the year before that 7.

 

Ah, was going off perception rather than facts on that comment. It just seemed like I had seen a bunch of really cheap guys or guys signing for $3-4 million/yr.

 

I'm just going off perception as well, it just seems every LCS team has a $1.2m reliever coming back from something or other and getting ready to cash-in on a stupid contract.

 

That may be what I'm ignoring is the rehabbing guys.

[Benchwarmer]

$1.5M wasted is no bargain, boys. If you take the middle relievers in the Central Division, only Nick Masset of the Reds is paid more at $1.7M. Our competition pays their top middle guys this:

 

Reds-N. Masset @ $1.7M

Stros-Lopez @ $442K

Brewers-Mitre @ $900K

Cards-Batista and Tallet @ $740K

Pirates-Meek @ $461.5K

 

Any way you slice and dice it, Wood is overpaid and underperforming. But then who is really surprised.

[SouthSideRyan]

WHY IS HE STILL HERE???

[jersey cubs fan]

$1.5M wasted is no bargain, boys. If you take the middle relievers in the Central Division, only Nick Masset of the Reds is paid more at $1.7M. Our competition pays their top middle guys this:

 

Reds-N. Masset @ $1.7M

Stros-Lopez @ $442K

Brewers-Mitre @ $900K

Cards-Batista and Tallet @ $740K

Pirates-Meek @ $461.5K

 

Any way you slice and dice it, Wood is overpaid and underperforming. But then who is really surprised.

 

Actually in most rational ways of slicing it and dicing it, he's pretty much performing up to what he's earning.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Wow. Educational yet entertaining at the same time.

[erik316wttn]

Just inform all us simpletons, Benchwarmer:

 

How exactly does a win-loss record reflect on a middle reliever's ability and level of talent?

 

Let's see..pretty easy...I expect a middle reliever to not put men on base and not give up runs. As of today, Wood 'the thrower':

 

WHIP 1.38 192 for all relievers

 

.336 OBA 195 for all relievers

 

.419 SLG 244 for all relievers

 

.250 WPCT 168 of 174 relievers with a record

 

It's just the middle of June and time for him to go on the DL.

 

What a warrior.

 

So you spew a bunch of stats that, while correct, don't answer the question...

 

What does a reliever's win-loss record have to do with anything? Say Wood gives up 2 runs and the opponent ties the game, the Cubs score a run next inning while he's still the pitcher of record and hang on to win. He therefore earned a win but had a terrible performance. Is that an accurate measurement?

[imb]

even erik's calling this dude out. I'd trade him for the bum or at least redflash

[dew1679666265]

$1.5M wasted is no bargain, boys. If you take the middle relievers in the Central Division, only Nick Masset of the Reds is paid more at $1.7M. Our competition pays their top middle guys this:

 

Reds-N. Masset @ $1.7M

Stros-Lopez @ $442K

Brewers-Mitre @ $900K

Cards-Batista and Tallet @ $740K

Pirates-Meek @ $461.5K

 

Any way you slice and dice it, Wood is overpaid and underperforming. But then who is really surprised.

 

Now you're changing the rules of the debate. First you looked at all relievers across MLB and, by those standards, Wood was paid below average money and is producing average-below average stats. That's a fair deal for the Cubs by those guidelines.

 

Then you change the guidelines to what certain relievers are making in the NL Central. What guidelines are we going by here? Is Wood's contract bad if he's higher paid than a few random relievers in the NL Central or if he's in line with the rest of the relievers in the league?

[Guest]

The brewers are paying $4.25M to Hawkins & $1.75M to Saito.

 

The cards are paying $3.25 to Franklin, $2M to Trevor Miller.

 

 

But I guess those guys don't count for some reason.

[XZero771679666304]

The brewers are paying $4.25M to Hawkins & $1.75M to Saito.

 

The cards are paying $3.25 to Franklin, $2M to Trevor Miller.

 

 

But I guess those guys don't count for some reason.

 

Of course not. The key to statistical analysis is cherry picking, duh.