If the Cubs were sellers right now

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ricketts has already said that there would be money to spend at the trade deadline. Rather than letting go of Kosuke, Pena etc for nothing but salary relief, they could just use that deadline money for their draft picks.

 

However, the revenue they were expecting is well under expectations (especially compared to the situation you're talking about where the Cubs are acquiring players at the deadline). Therefore, that money they thought they'd have may not be there afterall.

 

All I know is that unless theres some drastic change in the next several weeks, theres no reason for Fukudome and Pena to be on this team past the trade deadline. Whether its cash or prospects, you need to move these 2 and get what you can. Penas doing pretty much what was expected and its a 3rd of the way through June and Kosukes hasnt shown signs of his June Sw...decline in production(that was for you Nuts & Gum). This could be the prime time to make a move.

[dew1679666265]

Nobody has said it but Kerry Wood, come late July, to a contender that is desperate for a closer/set up man, because their man is on the DL.

 

It probably wasn't ever brought up before, but I think Arizona would be a good trade partner for Kerry Wood. Think we could get a good prospect for him? That is, if he waives his NTC.

 

Where are we seeing that Wood has a NTC? Cot's doesn't list one.

[Little Slide Rooter]

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Nobody has said it but Kerry Wood' date=' come late July, to a contender that is desperate for a closer/set up man, because their man is on the DL.[/quote']

 

It probably wasn't ever brought up before, but I think Arizona would be a good trade partner for Kerry Wood. Think we could get a good prospect for him? That is, if he waives his NTC.

 

Where are we seeing that Wood has a NTC? Cot's doesn't list one.

I don't think he actually has one, the general spec is that he signed with us for the price he did because this is where he wants to be and they won't trade him without his OK.

[CUBZ99]

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Nobody has said it but Kerry Wood' date=' come late July, to a contender that is desperate for a closer/set up man, because their man is on the DL.[/quote']

 

It probably wasn't ever brought up before, but I think Arizona would be a good trade partner for Kerry Wood. Think we could get a good prospect for him? That is, if he waives his NTC.

 

Where are we seeing that Wood has a NTC? Cot's doesn't list one.

I don't think he actually has one, the general spec is that he signed with us for the price he did because this is where he wants to be and they won't trade him without his OK.

 

Yeah, Wood doesn't need a NTC based on his conversations with Ricketts and the deal he signed. From the sound of it, he doesn't want to go anywhere and wants to finish his career with the Cubs. And if he continues to be affordable, I don't see any reason to not keep him around.

[Little Slide Rooter]

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Nobody has said it but Kerry Wood' date=' come late July, to a contender that is desperate for a closer/set up man, because their man is on the DL.[/quote']

 

It probably wasn't ever brought up before, but I think Arizona would be a good trade partner for Kerry Wood. Think we could get a good prospect for him? That is, if he waives his NTC.

 

Where are we seeing that Wood has a NTC? Cot's doesn't list one.

I don't think he actually has one, the general spec is that he signed with us for the price he did because this is where he wants to be and they won't trade him without his OK.

 

Yeah, Wood doesn't need a NTC based on his conversations with Ricketts and the deal he signed. From the sound of it, he doesn't want to go anywhere and wants to finish his career with the Cubs. And if he continues to be affordable, I don't see any reason to not keep him around.

 

All this being said, I could understand if he didnt want to go to a fringe contender like the D Backs, but if a legit contender like the Phillies were to show interest, I really cant see him saying no. Its a win win situation as itcould be his chance for a ring, and get us some quality prospects so hed be helping the organization that he loves more than he would be rocking out the 7th or 8th inning for a 5th place team.

[seattlecub]

i know he won't accept a trade, and we won't offer arb after the season cuz we don't wanna pay him $16M next year, but do you think there's any chance they put him on waivers for the purpose of having him (and his remaining salary) get picked up by another team like how the White Sox got Rios? They wouldn't get any players back, obviously, but they could save $4-5 million, which could go toward the draft, international free agents or even next year's budget. I'd kinda like them to think about it, although I admittedly don't know much about how the waiver process works, so i could be missing some obvious obstacle.

[Elrhino]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

I'm sure every player wants a ring, but I think there is probably a wide range of sentiment among players how meaningful a Championship means when you're nothing but a disposable, mercenary, rent-a-player for a few months.

[Backtobanks]

i know he won't accept a trade, and we won't offer arb after the season cuz we don't wanna pay him $16M next year, but do you think there's any chance they put him on waivers for the purpose of having him (and his remaining salary) get picked up by another team like how the White Sox got Rios? They wouldn't get any players back, obviously, but they could save $4-5 million, which could go toward the draft, international free agents or even next year's budget. I'd kinda like them to think about it, although I admittedly don't know much about how the waiver process works, so i could be missing some obvious obstacle.

 

That would be a horrible PR move. I can't see Ricketts or Hendry doing that.

[dew1679666265]

i know he won't accept a trade, and we won't offer arb after the season cuz we don't wanna pay him $16M next year, but do you think there's any chance they put him on waivers for the purpose of having him (and his remaining salary) get picked up by another team like how the White Sox got Rios? They wouldn't get any players back, obviously, but they could save $4-5 million, which could go toward the draft, international free agents or even next year's budget. I'd kinda like them to think about it, although I admittedly don't know much about how the waiver process works, so i could be missing some obvious obstacle.

 

Even in the waiver process, Aramis will have his NTC/10-5 rights available to him. If someone on waivers claims him, he still has the option to reject the claim. So basically, if he'll agree to waive his 10-5 rights anyway, we'll be able to get something for him in trade.

[seattlecub]

thanks, i wasn't aware the NTC or the 10-and-5 rule applied to the waiver stuff. good to know.

[questionmarkgrace]

i know he won't accept a trade, and we won't offer arb after the season cuz we don't wanna pay him $16M next year, but do you think there's any chance they put him on waivers for the purpose of having him (and his remaining salary) get picked up by another team like how the White Sox got Rios? They wouldn't get any players back, obviously, but they could save $4-5 million, which could go toward the draft, international free agents or even next year's budget. I'd kinda like them to think about it, although I admittedly don't know much about how the waiver process works, so i could be missing some obvious obstacle.

 

Even in the waiver process, Aramis will have his NTC/10-5 rights available to him. If someone on waivers claims him, he still has the option to reject the claim. So basically, if he'll agree to waive his 10-5 rights anyway, we'll be able to get something for him in trade.

 

 

I was just about to ask that. I really don't get why he wants to stay that bad, or maybe that just public relations spin by his agent? its not like he would come out and say 'yeah trade me please' unless his name were Milton Bradley

[Benchwarmer]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

[Sammy Sofa]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

[Illini Iceman]

i know he won't accept a trade, and we won't offer arb after the season cuz we don't wanna pay him $16M next year, but do you think there's any chance they put him on waivers for the purpose of having him (and his remaining salary) get picked up by another team like how the White Sox got Rios? They wouldn't get any players back, obviously, but they could save $4-5 million, which could go toward the draft, international free agents or even next year's budget. I'd kinda like them to think about it, although I admittedly don't know much about how the waiver process works, so i could be missing some obvious obstacle.

 

Even in the waiver process, Aramis will have his NTC/10-5 rights available to him. If someone on waivers claims him, he still has the option to reject the claim. So basically, if he'll agree to waive his 10-5 rights anyway, we'll be able to get something for him in trade.

 

 

I was just about to ask that. I really don't get why he wants to stay that bad, or maybe that just public relations spin by his agent? its not like he would come out and say 'yeah trade me please' unless his name were Milton Bradley

 

I kind of took the agent's statements to be a way of sending a message that he isn't desperate to move to a contender so don't even think of asking him to waive the vesting player option that kicks in if he is traded.

[Guest]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

He's probably referring to Reed Johnson and the terrible .367/.435/.633/1.068 line he's put up so far.

[Benchwarmer]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

[erik316wttn]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

Are you seriously saying that a) $1.5 million for Kerry Wood is too much, and b) you're quoting his win-loss record as a means to back yourself up?

 

And people say my arguments are stupid.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

Are you seriously saying that a) $1.5 million for Kerry Wood is too much, and b) you're quoting his win-loss record as a means to back yourself up?

 

And people say my arguments are stupid.

 

I'm hoping the citing of Wood's WL record (a BP arm, no less) was part of some schtick...

[XZero771679666304]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

Citing W/L (especially for a reliever) as the primary indicator of a pitcher's production and then admonishing others to "keep up" with you might just be one of the most (unintentionally) ironic statements I've ever read here.

[Benchwarmer]

I imagine there are other considerations for Wood as as well, for instance what his Chicago native wife wants for their family, who was reportedly a big factor in his decision to come back to Chicago for below market value.

 

When you have a GM who just loves to re-sign non-productive former Cubs each year just to give them a paycheck, who could be surprised.

 

Wood isn't productive? What are you babbling about?

 

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

 

Citing W/L (especially for a reliever) as the primary indicator of a pitcher's production and then admonishing others to "keep up" with you might just be one of the most (unintentionally) ironic statements I've ever read here.

 

When you understand what the role of a middle reliever is..get back to me.

[XZero771679666304]

 

When you understand what the role of a middle reliever is..get back to me.

 

Will do, chief.

[Tryptamine]

Can we just get rid of him right away? He's more irritating then amusing.

[NOLA]

Can we just get rid of him right away? He's more irritating then amusing.

 

First time I've used the "Foe" button here. Now if everyone stops quoting him we'll be fine.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Reading is fundamental. 1-3 record for an overpaid non-productive thrower is what I'd expect.

 

Try to keep up.

Out [expletive] standing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Id rather pay Wood 1.5 mil anyday than watch Coleman, Berg, Maine, and Co. suck up the joint at league min.