2011 NBA Lottery/Draft

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=54051&p=2374787&hilit=mccamey%2C+bet#p2374787

 

You should've bet.

[Exile on Waveland]

There are rumors the Pacers are trading the Leonard kid to the Spurs for George Hill but I'm waiting to see something official.

 

Sounds like a deal! Wow, that is awesome. =D>

 

I'm trying to decide whether to like this deal. I like Hill, but I liked Leonard and the Pacers lost both their 2nd round pick and the rights to Lorbek. Lorbek will be annoying because he'll probably come over now that he's on the Spurs even though he wouldn't come over to Indiana all these years. I'm just trying to figure out where Hill fits. Is he just the backup point guard/shooting guard? Are they going to push Collison or George to the bench?

 

Before the draft, if you told me the Pacers could turn the No. 15 pick into George Hill, I would have been thrilled. However, I was ecstatic to be able to pick Kawhi Leonard at No. 15. So I'm kind of torn (feel a bit like trading Bayless a few years ago). Leonard is a bit of a redundancy on the Pacers, so I understand it from that aspect . . . but Hill seems a bit redundant too. I'm not sure if he replaces Collison or George or if he's the third guard. I'm pretty happy about the trade, but still digesting. Regardless, the Pacers still need a power forward/athletic big man.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm liking the trade the Mavs made to get Fernandez. The Mavs have six FA (Chandler, Barea, Stevenson, Caron Butler, Stojakovic, and Brian Cardinal. Getting Fernandez will likely let them let either Stevenson or Butler walk if the price is too high. I think they will now place the priority on re-signing Chandler.

[BigSlick]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

[bukie]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

I don't see how it's Weber's fault that McCamey decided in January that he'd done enough to get drafted and then coasted for 3 months. Should he have benched him more?

[SouthSideRyan]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

I don't see how it's Weber's fault that McCamey decided in January that he'd done enough to get drafted and then coasted for 3 months. Should he have benched him more?

 

It's hard to hold a coach completely blameless for a guy not being motivated. I'm not saying the majority isn't on Demetri, because at a certain point after 4 years, it's on you, but with the lethargy his teams have shown when not lead by a fiery player like Frazier or Brown, it's worth questioning.

[Sosa21MVP]

There are rumors the Pacers are trading the Leonard kid to the Spurs for George Hill but I'm waiting to see something official.

 

Sounds like a deal! Wow, that is awesome. =D>

 

I'm trying to decide whether to like this deal. I like Hill, but I liked Leonard and the Pacers lost both their 2nd round pick and the rights to Lorbek. Lorbek will be annoying because he'll probably come over now that he's on the Spurs even though he wouldn't come over to Indiana all these years. I'm just trying to figure out where Hill fits. Is he just the backup point guard/shooting guard? Are they going to push Collison or George to the bench?

 

Before the draft, if you told me the Pacers could turn the No. 15 pick into George Hill, I would have been thrilled. However, I was ecstatic to be able to pick Kawhi Leonard at No. 15. So I'm kind of torn (feel a bit like trading Bayless a few years ago). Leonard is a bit of a redundancy on the Pacers, so I understand it from that aspect . . . but Hill seems a bit redundant too. I'm not sure if he replaces Collison or George or if he's the third guard. I'm pretty happy about the trade, but still digesting. Regardless, the Pacers still need a power forward/athletic big man.

 

I was presuming Hill would slot as the starting 2 guard but I could be wrong. I highly doubt he is being brought in to replace Collison unless a corresponding trade is in the works. George can still be a big part of the rotation. I was thinking the acquisition of Hill would mean two things: 1) Brandon Rush is definitely gone and 2) A.J. Price's minutes as backup PG could decline since Hill can play both guard positions.

 

Overall I just feel like the Pacers already have a nice nucleus of young talent and now is the time to add more proven NBA talent to the roster. I will admit I know nothing about the Leonard kid though so drafting him did not excite me much before the trade was announced.

[Exile on Waveland]

I think a Collison-Hill backcourt would be very small. That may be starting to matter a bit less, but still cause for concern. I'm just not sure those two are the best fit together in a starting backcourt. None of this is to say I don't like Hill, quite the opposite, but I think a corrosponding move may be necessary (and beyond moving merely Rush).

[CubColtPacer]

There are rumors the Pacers are trading the Leonard kid to the Spurs for George Hill but I'm waiting to see something official.

 

Sounds like a deal! Wow, that is awesome. =D>

 

I'm trying to decide whether to like this deal. I like Hill, but I liked Leonard and the Pacers lost both their 2nd round pick and the rights to Lorbek. Lorbek will be annoying because he'll probably come over now that he's on the Spurs even though he wouldn't come over to Indiana all these years. I'm just trying to figure out where Hill fits. Is he just the backup point guard/shooting guard? Are they going to push Collison or George to the bench?

 

Before the draft, if you told me the Pacers could turn the No. 15 pick into George Hill, I would have been thrilled. However, I was ecstatic to be able to pick Kawhi Leonard at No. 15. So I'm kind of torn (feel a bit like trading Bayless a few years ago). Leonard is a bit of a redundancy on the Pacers, so I understand it from that aspect . . . but Hill seems a bit redundant too. I'm not sure if he replaces Collison or George or if he's the third guard. I'm pretty happy about the trade, but still digesting. Regardless, the Pacers still need a power forward/athletic big man.

 

I was presuming Hill would slot as the starting 2 guard but I could be wrong. I highly doubt he is being brought in to replace Collison unless a corresponding trade is in the works. George can still be a big part of the rotation. I was thinking the acquisition of Hill would mean two things: 1) Brandon Rush is definitely gone and 2) A.J. Price's minutes as backup PG could decline since Hill can play both guard positions.

 

Overall I just feel like the Pacers already have a nice nucleus of young talent and now is the time to add more proven NBA talent to the roster. I will admit I know nothing about the Leonard kid though so drafting him did not excite me much before the trade was announced.

 

The Pacers guards would just get abused defensively if Hill is the starting 2 guard too often. A 6 foot 0 and 6 foot 2 set of guards presents bad matchups everywhere.

 

If Hill replaces Collison, then the Pacers will be hurt offensively but will be really good defensively. Hill, George, and Granger will be a tough core to get by and if they add a good power forward/center to go along with Hibbert that could be a monster defensive lineup.

 

Hill coming off the bench and playing 30 minutes a game is probably the way to go. The majority of those should be at point guard and sprinkle in a little shooting guard time. I would rank replacing Collison and going with the defensive matchup as the 2nd best option. If they acquired Hill to primarily be a shooting guard, then I'm not sure he fits.

 

Leonard will probably be a pretty good NBA player. But I do question where he would have gotten playing time with the Pacers. He probably would have played a lot of small 4 position in Indiana and his skills will translate better to the 3 since his rebounding will be a huge asset from that position.

[Guest]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

I don't see how it's Weber's fault that McCamey decided in January that he'd done enough to get drafted and then coasted for 3 months. Should he have benched him more?

 

Ah, I see McCamey suffered from the same issue as Tyler Honeycutt.

[hawkeyecub]

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You should've bet.

 

Yeah if only I would have replied "I'm down with that" when you proposed the trade.

 

That was just last February and you guys all thought he was the truth. 100% chance of being drafted, most likely going in the 1st round and a decent chance of being a lottery pick. Then it seemed like you were all done with him by late January.

[imb]

Jay Bilas said Reggie Jackson got a promise from OKC a few months back and therefore refused to work out for anyone. Someone explain how there isn't a tampering rule that was violated there if that's true.

 

Perhaps tampering rules only apply to players that are property of another team? I really don't know. Seems awfully shady.

 

Yeah either way it shouldn't be allowed. He didn't do any workouts, interviews or medical exams for any team.

 

Today they're saying his agents shut him down so miami could draft him, but the thunder drafted him anyway.

[hawkeyecub]

Jay Bilas said Reggie Jackson got a promise from OKC a few months back and therefore refused to work out for anyone. Someone explain how there isn't a tampering rule that was violated there if that's true.

 

Perhaps tampering rules only apply to players that are property of another team? I really don't know. Seems awfully shady.

 

Yeah either way it shouldn't be allowed. He didn't do any workouts, interviews or medical exams for any team.

 

Today they're saying his agents shut him down so miami could draft him, but the thunder drafted him anyway.

 

Yeah I heard that. I'm still confused about why he and his agent were so willing to settle for being a 2nd round pick when a lot of projections had him going late in the 1st. Iman [expletive] Shumpert got picked 17th and the Knicks supposedly wanted to take Jackson but couldn't trust his knee.

[SouthSideRyan]

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You should've bet.

 

Yeah if only I would have replied "I'm down with that" when you proposed the trade.

 

That was just last February and you guys all thought he was the truth. 100% chance of being drafted, most likely going in the 1st round and a decent chance of being a lottery pick. Then it seemed like you were all done with him by late January.

 

We weren't the only ones spellbound by his potential.

 

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[hawkeyecub]

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[Sosa21MVP]

I think a Collison-Hill backcourt would be very small. That may be starting to matter a bit less, but still cause for concern. I'm just not sure those two are the best fit together in a starting backcourt. None of this is to say I don't like Hill, quite the opposite, but I think a corrosponding move may be necessary (and beyond moving merely Rush).

 

I guess I did not realize Hill is 6'2, I was thinking he was taller than that for some reason. But I still like the trade and I do believe more moves are coming.

[tfarks]

I think a Collison-Hill backcourt would be very small. That may be starting to matter a bit less, but still cause for concern. I'm just not sure those two are the best fit together in a starting backcourt. None of this is to say I don't like Hill, quite the opposite, but I think a corrosponding move may be necessary (and beyond moving merely Rush).

 

I guess I did not realize Hill is 6'2, I was thinking he was taller than that for some reason. But I still like the trade and I do believe more moves are coming.

 

Probably because he has a wingspan of 6'9". The highlight video I saw of him guarding Kobe was impressive. AJ Price wasn't cutting it so Bird brought in a combo guard to back up the 1 and 2. I like him, glad to see he's back in Indy. His ability to stop dribble penetration is sorely needed. Will help keep Hibbert out of foul trouble. Hill, along with Paul George lets the backcourt match up much better with Chicago and Miami. Where this team goes from here all depends on what Bird does with the frontcourt. Still a lot of work to be done.

[Exile on Waveland]

I think Hill is going to be the third guard, though play a ton of minutes. I think that's what he is; a third guard. He's not really a point guard, though he certainly can defend the position. He'll certainly help. The frontcourt is still the more pressing concern in my book though.

[BigSlick]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

I don't see how it's Weber's fault that McCamey decided in January that he'd done enough to get drafted and then coasted for 3 months. Should he have benched him more?

 

It's hard to hold a coach completely blameless for a guy not being motivated. I'm not saying the majority isn't on Demetri, because at a certain point after 4 years, it's on you, but with the lethargy his teams have shown when not lead by a fiery player like Frazier or Brown, it's worth questioning.

I knew when I said "I don't think Weber is blameless" that it would be construed as me laying an inordinate amount of the blame on Weber. Thats not the case. But its clear something is wrong with the whole Weber regime when an off-hand coment from one of McCamey's cousins (..."hey maybe you should drive to the basket more!") has more sway with his playstyle than the friggin head coach.

[Sosa21MVP]

I think Hill is going to be the third guard, though play a ton of minutes. I think that's what he is; a third guard. He's not really a point guard, though he certainly can defend the position. He'll certainly help. The frontcourt is still the more pressing concern in my book though.

 

Making this trade doesn't mean that Bird isn't going to address the frontcourt too.

[Soul]

I thought it was pretty fitting that none of those bums from Illinois were drafted. I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. If that makes me a bad Illini fan, so be it.

Well it makes me sad about Demetri Mccamey...he's not a bad guy, he just regressed heavily as a player. I dunno, it happens, he has a very odd mindset, and I don't think Weber is blameless in this as well.

 

Jereme Richmond...well yeah he brought this all on himself.

 

I don't recall anyone feeling sorry for me when I didn't hit life's financial lottery.

 

Yeah, I really don't care if the Illini players crapped out in the draft. If you can't make it in the NBA, get a job like everyone else and deal with it.