By all means Mr. Rosenthal, lets give Hendry an extension.

[Tarver]

Depo works for Sandy Alderson now. The Dodgers success the past few years has more to do with him than Coletti. He brought in Ethier, Furcal, Drew, etc. The first thing Coletti did was sign Luiz Gonzalez and bench Matt Kemp.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What else has DePodesta done? Honestly, I have no clue. I was always under the impression that the reason he made "the LoDuca trade" was because he was overly confident that he could spin Penny in a deal for Randy Johnson.

[Guest]

Depo works for Sandy Alderson now. The Dodgers success the past few years has more to do with him than Coletti. He brought in Ethier, Furcal, Drew, etc. The first thing Coletti did was sign Luiz Gonzalez and bench Matt Kemp.

 

Right, but not as a GM. I believe Alderson had that same position when he hired the current GM of the Padres. Maybe DePo doesn't want to be a GM anymore. Maybe Alderson doesn't trust him to be a GM. Who knows? Alderson went with one of Theo's understudies, which probably isn't the worst of ideas.

 

ETA: Apparently DePodesta is now VP of player development and scouting with the Mets.

[Sammy Sofa]

Depodesta

 

He's an interesting choice. Obviously, you've got the whole Beane connection, and his short career with the Dodgers is difficult to evaluate since he was fired by someone like McCourt and replaced by Ned [expletive] Colletti.

 

And ironically a name I threw out in my post. Not that I can say DePodesta would be good. I just don't think he was given a fair shot. And I'm not sure the Cubs should be the team to give him that shot.

 

Why not?

 

I don't know all the details as to why he was let go so quickly. Maybe someone with a much smarter baseball mind in the Dodgers organization could see immediately that he was not the man for the job. Why has no one else given him a job? These are questions I don't know the answers to.

 

True, but again, look at who McCourt is and look at who they hired to replace DePodesta. That seems to argue pretty strongly in favor of them not knowing WTF they're doing. Plus meatball sports journalists/analysts haaaaaaaaated him, so that has to count for something.

[Sammy Sofa]

What else has DePodesta done? Honestly, I have no clue. I was always under the impression that the reason he made "the LoDuca trade" was because he was overly confident that he could spin Penny in a deal for Randy Johnson.

 

He doesn't have much of a GM history. I'd be willing to give him a shot just because of his past with Beane. I mean, how many good AND experienced GM's are out there to be hired? Odds are the Cubs are going to have to take a chance on someone relatively new or inexperienced in the GM role if they want to have a real shot at avoiding the usual retreads.

[Guest]

True, but again, look at who McCourt is and look at who they hired to replace DePodesta. That seems to argue pretty strongly in favor of them not knowing WTF they're doing. Plus meatball sports journalists/analysts haaaaaaaaated him, so that has to count for something.

 

All true. He might be awesome at it. Not sure if you saw an edit from an above post, but wikipedia states that DePo is now VP of player development and scouting with the Mets now.

[Sammy Sofa]

True, but again, look at who McCourt is and look at who they hired to replace DePodesta. That seems to argue pretty strongly in favor of them not knowing WTF they're doing. Plus meatball sports journalists/analysts haaaaaaaaated him, so that has to count for something.

 

All true. He might be awesome at it. Not sure if you saw an edit from an above post, but wikipedia states that DePo is now VP of player development and scouting with the Mets now.

 

Yeah, I saw. I figured he was still working in baseball somewhere. If he wasn't that would be a pretty big warning flag.

[Guest]

What else has DePodesta done? Honestly, I have no clue. I was always under the impression that the reason he made "the LoDuca trade" was because he was overly confident that he could spin Penny in a deal for Randy Johnson.

 

He doesn't have much of a GM history. I'd be willing to give him a shot just because of his past with Beane. I mean, how many good AND experienced GM's are out there to be hired? Odds are the Cubs are going to have to take a chance on someone relatively new or inexperienced in the GM role if they want to have a real shot at avoiding the usual retreads.

 

I'd probably be okay with that choice as well considering his upbringing. He took over the Dodgers job in February 16th of 2004 and was fired at the end of the 2005 season.

 

He was hired too late to have any impact at all on the '04 season, and really only had one offseason to turn the organization around. Not really one that you can say that he had every opportunity to find success.

[SouthSideRyan]

Depodesta

Not sure why people still think he'd be a good GM, other than the fact Billy Beane likes him. He wasn't particularly good in LA.

 

He wasn't particularly bad either.

 

On the plus side you have:

 

Trading Jason Frasor for Jayson Werth

Trading Steve Colyer for Cody Ross

Trading Juan Encarnacion, LoDuca, and G. Mota for Choi, Billy Murphy, and Brad Penny

Trading Reggie Abercrombie, Koyie Hill, Billy Murphy for Steve Finley and Brent Mayne

Signed Carlos Santana

Signed Jeff Kent

Signed JD Drew

Signed Derek Lowe

Dumped Shawn Green's contract

 

 

Negative side:

 

Trading Dave Roberts for Henri Stanley

Releasing Joakim Soria

Lost Shane Victorino in Rule 5

Signed Jose Valentin

Sold Dave Ross

Failed to sign supplemental pick Luke Hochevar in '05

To date, Blake DeWitt is best success story from his 2 drafts.

Edited May 11, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Depo works for Sandy Alderson now. The Dodgers success the past few years has more to do with him than Coletti. He brought in Ethier, Furcal, Drew, etc. The first thing Coletti did was sign Luiz Gonzalez and bench Matt Kemp.

DePodesta was fired before Ethier. I'm too lazy to look up the others.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Depo works for Sandy Alderson now. The Dodgers success the past few years has more to do with him than Coletti. He brought in Ethier, Furcal, Drew, etc. The first thing Coletti did was sign Luiz Gonzalez and bench Matt Kemp.

DePodesta was fired before Ethier. I'm too lazy to look up the others.

I lied. He was fired before Furcal too. Drew was signed when he was there though.

[Tarver]

So it was Coletti who bagged Ethier for MB? I stand corrected. And shocked. He probably just closed his eyes and pointed at a list.

[Guest]

Heck, Alderson went to the Mets, too. He's the GM there. He might be regretting that decision right about now.

 

Heck, DePo is ripe for the pickin's.

[KingCubsFan]

Depodesta

Not sure why people still think he'd be a good GM, other than the fact Billy Beane likes him. He wasn't particularly good in LA.

 

He wasn't particularly bad either.

 

On the plus side you have:

 

Trading Jason Frasor for Jayson Werth

Trading Steve Colyer for Cody Ross

Trading Juan Encarnacion, LoDuca, and G. Mota for Choi, Billy Murphy, and Brad Penny

Trading Reggie Abercrombie, Koyie Hill, Billy Murphy for Steve Finley and Brent Mayne

Signed Carlos Santana

Signed Jeff Kent

Signed JD Drew

Signed Derek Lowe

Dumped Shawn Green's contract

 

 

Negative side:

 

Trading Dave Roberts for Henri Stanley

Releasing Joakim Soria

Lost Shane Victorino in Rule 5

Signed Jose Valentin

Sold Dave Ross

Failed to sign supplemental pick Luke Hochevar in '05

To date, Blake DeWitt is best success story from his 2 drafts.

Yeah, he definitely made some good moves. To me, his two major mistakes were failing to close the Randy Johnson deal and failing to hire a manager (which I believe got him fired). I thought there were reports that other GM's found him very difficult to deal with, too.

[erik316wttn]

Depodesta

 

He's an interesting choice. Obviously, you've got the whole Beane connection, and his short career with the Dodgers is difficult to evaluate since he was fired by someone like McCourt and replaced by Ned [expletive] Colletti.

 

And ironically a name I threw out in my post. Not that I can say DePodesta would be good. I just don't think he was given a fair shot. And I'm not sure the Cubs should be the team to give him that shot.

 

Why not?

 

N&G, not a rip on you, just asking for some clarification:

 

You say you want a GM with experience, and you don't want the Cubs to hire a guy who has never held the job before. However DePodesta only had the job for like 6 months. Is that really a long enough time for you to feel confident in his abilities?

 

EDIT: You already answered upthread. Withdrawn.

[Sammy Sofa]

Depodesta

 

He's an interesting choice. Obviously, you've got the whole Beane connection, and his short career with the Dodgers is difficult to evaluate since he was fired by someone like McCourt and replaced by Ned [expletive] Colletti.

 

And ironically a name I threw out in my post. Not that I can say DePodesta would be good. I just don't think he was given a fair shot. And I'm not sure the Cubs should be the team to give him that shot.

 

Why not?

 

N&G, not a rip on you, just asking for some clarification:

 

You say you want a GM with experience, and you don't want the Cubs to hire a guy who has never held the job before. However DePodesta only had the job for like 6 months. Is that really a long enough time for you to feel confident in his abilities?

 

No, I said this:

 

I'd much rather have someone who has some front office experience as a GM or under a GM who has shown that they know that they're doing in some capacity.

 

And personally I think the Cubs are more likely to find a good GM through the latter than the former since the former are usually locked up with another team already. I don't have a problem with the Cubs hiring someone who hasn't been a GM before so long as they've got decent MLB experience in a good front office.

[Guest]

So it was Coletti who bagged Ethier for MB? I stand corrected. And shocked. He probably just closed his eyes and pointed at a list.

 

Wasn't that the FJM article where they blasted Plaschke for saying how great the scoutiest scouts were for finding Ethier as a diamond in the rough, when he was the A's organizational player of the year?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As far as names go, I wonder how air-tight Daniels's contract is with the Rangers and if we could somehow get him.

[UK1679666180]

Tim, I enjoyed your posts because they explained everything in a calm, rational manner instead of the posters who are blinded by hate for Hendry.

 

ugh...Yes, anyone who thinks Hendry should be replaced because they are not satisfied with the results under his regime is BLINDED BY HATE! Very helpful. But at least you appreciate Tim's rational approach.

 

It's perfectly rational to be of the opinion that the Cubs are better off entering next off-season, one in which they potentially have a large amount of money to spend, with a different GM. Tim, CCP, TT and others have given perfectly reasonable arguments against booting Hendry, but disagreeing with them doesn't make one blinded by hatred. I already stated I'd like to see him replaced, but I fully acknowledge I don't have an available, sure-fire improvement in mind.

 

Again, it's not an "anybody but Hendry" situation, but as far as I can tell, nobody in this thread is saying it is. I don't understand why people are suggesting otherwise.

Of course there are perfectly rational reasons for wanting to move on at GM. The results haven't been there for the money that has been invested. I can certainly appreciate the perspective of someone saying that they want someone else to try to take the Cubs to the next level.

 

What I've seen from Hendry over the past 10 years is someone who was initially dominated by his big name managers (and corporate overlords). Based on a number of reasons, I believe that Hendry has changed paths and is now doing things in a more rational manner. However, that IS conjecture on my part and is by no means certain.

 

There are people in this thread saying they want "anyone but Hendry". Tarver is one of them. While I can agree with the emotion behind that position and feel the same frustration with the results, I cannot agree that Hendry is a bottom five GM in the game and that we'd be better off blindly firing him and taking whomever in his place.

 

I'll throw out the challenge again to those who disagree again: name some candidates that are better for certain than Hendry who are likely to be available this offseason.

Insert Logan White's name here.

[jersey cubs fan]

So it was Coletti who bagged Ethier for MB? I stand corrected. And shocked. He probably just closed his eyes and pointed at a list.

 

Wasn't that the FJM article where they blasted Plaschke for saying how great the scoutiest scouts were for finding Ethier as a diamond in the rough, when he was the A's organizational player of the year?

 

Yes, it was glorious.

 

 

Some fat dude was sleeping in the corner or something and his ears perked up when he heard the name because he remember one swing where he looked like the perfect player or something. Just beautiful.

Edited May 11, 2011 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

For the record, there is no rational or logical explanation for wanting to keep Hendry beyond this year.

[Sammy Sofa]

So it was Coletti who bagged Ethier for MB? I stand corrected. And shocked. He probably just closed his eyes and pointed at a list.

 

Wasn't that the FJM article where they blasted Plaschke for saying how great the scoutiest scouts were for finding Ethier as a diamond in the rough, when he was the A's organizational player of the year?

 

Yes, it was glorious.

 

 

Some fat dude was sleeping in the corner or something and his ears perked up when he heard the name because he remember one swing where he looked like the perfect player or something. Just beautiful.

 

One of FJM's very best:

 

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2006/08/best-ever.html

[Tarver]

So it was Coletti who bagged Ethier for MB? I stand corrected. And shocked. He probably just closed his eyes and pointed at a list.

 

Wasn't that the FJM article where they blasted Plaschke for saying how great the scoutiest scouts were for finding Ethier as a diamond in the rough, when he was the A's organizational player of the year?

 

Their sendup of Plaschke's public love letter to Coletti was another classic.

[Sammy Sofa]

ALL THE DODGERS NEEDED WERE MORE BLAKE DEWITTS, DAMMIT!!!

 

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/07/mike-scioscia-exhales-carbon-dioxide.html

[Tarver]

I can't wait to see how Plaschke handles Coletti's replacement. You just know it's gonna be some Steinbrenner/Winfield type [expletive].