2011 College Football Offseason

[fiver]

Brooks posts a rumor on his facebook, not naming a coach specifically, and Tennessee forums want to immediately start talking about Trooper Taylor again. Should this surprise me?

[Magnetic Curses]

what the [expletive] is up with weird [expletive] names in the south [expletive] off

[Magnetic Curses]

i really think that the assistant they're talking about is Bollweevil Banks or maybe Grain Silo Guilford.

[BigSlick]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

[E.J.]

Brooks posts a rumor on his facebook, not naming a coach specifically, and Tennessee forums want to immediately start talking about Trooper Taylor again. Should this surprise me?

 

Not really. Auburn is a bunch of dirty, dirty cheaters.

[E.J.]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

 

Could you imagine being some 18-year-old kid who's getting ready to move into the dorm and then being told you couldn't move in, and that your scholarship wasn't being offered to you anymore? Yeah, that's some [expletive] and something has to be done about it.

[TheVolCub08]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

 

Could you imagine being some 18-year-old kid who's getting ready to move into the dorm and then being told you couldn't move in, and that your scholarship wasn't being offered to you anymore? Yeah, that's some [expletive] and something has to be done about it.

 

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

However, I do think that if a coach signs more freshmen than he can feasibly get into school, he should face some sort of penalty for it. Not exactly sure what would be fair, but I agree that coaches who sign freshmen and then make them greyshirt or something else are reprehensible. I'd love to see the NCAA step in and set firm rules on this and punish offending institutions (by taking away one scholarship per oversigning?)

[E.J.]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

 

Could you imagine being some 18-year-old kid who's getting ready to move into the dorm and then being told you couldn't move in, and that your scholarship wasn't being offered to you anymore? Yeah, that's some [expletive] and something has to be done about it.

 

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

However, I do think that if a coach signs more freshmen than he can feasibly get into school, he should face some sort of penalty for it. Not exactly sure what would be fair, but I agree that coaches who sign freshmen and then make them greyshirt or something else are reprehensible. I'd love to see the NCAA step in and set firm rules on this and punish offending institutions (by taking away one scholarship per oversigning?)

 

These are student-athletes. You might as well pay the players a salary if you're going to treat them specifically as athletes and take away their scholarships if they aren't the athlete you thought they were.

 

These kids are students first and foremost, and I think they have a right to finish out their degrees if they were given a scholarship. It's too much of a business.

[BigSlick]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

 

Could you imagine being some 18-year-old kid who's getting ready to move into the dorm and then being told you couldn't move in, and that your scholarship wasn't being offered to you anymore? Yeah, that's some [expletive] and something has to be done about it.

 

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

However, I do think that if a coach signs more freshmen than he can feasibly get into school, he should face some sort of penalty for it. Not exactly sure what would be fair, but I agree that coaches who sign freshmen and then make them greyshirt or something else are reprehensible. I'd love to see the NCAA step in and set firm rules on this and punish offending institutions (by taking away one scholarship per oversigning?)

'TheVolCub08', seriously ? With a name like that? You're making it too easy for me.

 

Yes scholarships are technically year-to-year grants but they have been used as de facto 4 year scholarships for athletes since the beginning of time. The only reason they aren't 4 year deals are for letting someone go when they do something reprehensible. Cutting them off a kid's lifeblood when he's a year away from his degree so you can try some new talent that might not make the team don't seem all that right. I can't believe your so cynical as to forget that the reason why these kids go to school (ostensibly) is to earn degrees. Enough of them don't get them anyway, we need to encourage even fewer?

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5926193

[SpongeWorthy]

Oversigning is probably the mot reprehensible thing that goes on in NCAA because they pull the rug right under kids trying to finish their degrees and basically not allow them to graduate because they want to try a freshman out.

 

I'd rather they outright pay player than pull [expletive] like this. [expletive] horrible.

 

Could you imagine being some 18-year-old kid who's getting ready to move into the dorm and then being told you couldn't move in, and that your scholarship wasn't being offered to you anymore? Yeah, that's some [expletive] and something has to be done about it.

 

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

However, I do think that if a coach signs more freshmen than he can feasibly get into school, he should face some sort of penalty for it. Not exactly sure what would be fair, but I agree that coaches who sign freshmen and then make them greyshirt or something else are reprehensible. I'd love to see the NCAA step in and set firm rules on this and punish offending institutions (by taking away one scholarship per oversigning?)

 

These are student-athletes. You might as well pay the players a salary if you're going to treat them specifically as athletes and take away their scholarships if they aren't the athlete you thought they were.

 

These kids are students first and foremost, and I think they have a right to finish out their degrees if they were given a scholarship. It's too much of a business.

 

What's the difference between pulling a scholie for not maintaining a high enough GPA and pulling a scholie for not playing well enough? I mean really, these guys are students of football (especially at top tier programs that consistently put guys in the pros) as much as the guy in the engineering school is a student of engineering.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's not like they're really missing out on anything. It's a degree from the University of Mississippi.

[Jon]

What's the difference between pulling a scholie for not maintaining a high enough GPA and pulling a scholie for not playing well enough? I mean really, these guys are students of football (especially at top tier programs that consistently put guys in the pros) as much as the guy in the engineering school is a student of engineering.

Because there will always be a group of players who are the worst on the team. It doesn't mean they're not trying and not putting in the work. It just means there are better guys on the team than them. That's the reality of having a team in any sport on any level. We're not talking about guys who just stopped trying at practice and don't hit the weights.

 

Maybe SEC coaches should work a little harder to go after the right recruits and not just any highly rated recruit with a pulse.

[SpongeWorthy]

There's always a group of students in any class that are going to be the worst too.

[Jon]

There's always a group of students in any class that are going to be the worst too.

Except students have actual grades and a set GPA cutoff that isn't relative to the rest of the student body.

[SpongeWorthy]

And we all know grades and GPAs are calculated in a consistent, uniform fashion for all students.

 

Honestly, with how much B.S. and cheating goes on in a college class room I'm not exactly going to say GPAs is a fairer way of measuring academic performance than a coach's evaluation is in measuring athletic performance. There's less of a gray area though. In any case, it should be incumbent on the team to make sure the athlete is putting in the time and work and has the help available to make sure completing the degree is worth it even if the scholarship is lost.

[Jon]

And we all know grades and GPAs are calculated in a consistent, uniform fashion for all students.

 

Honestly, with how much B.S. and cheating goes on in a college class room I'm not exactly going to say GPAs is a fairer way of measuring academic performance than a coach's evaluation is in measuring athletic performance. There's less of a gray area though. In any case, it should be incumbent on the team to make sure the athlete is putting in the time and work and has the help available to make sure completing the degree is worth it even if the scholarship is lost.

Schools don't kick you out because you're in a bottom percentage of your class. They do so if you drop below a certain GPA, which means that it's entirely possible to have a 100% retention rate.

 

Football programs that kick out the bottom 10% of their players because they aren't cracking the depth charts are always going to be kicking out the same number of kids every year. It's entirely possible that every single kid of the team is giving it 100%, but that doesn't reduce the number of guys getting cut.

 

 

Big Ten fans can take solace in the fact that the advantage will come to an end at some point. Considering the awful academic retention rates that SEC football programs possess and the number of signees that don't even qualify academically, there are some SEC programs that are going to be making huge adjustments in how they operate. Of course, the standards in which coaches are judged and paid won't change, so coaches will have a hell of a time keeping their jobs. And as we know, high turnover means fewer wins in today's college football.

[SpongeWorthy]

I was talking about being kicked off your scholarship, not kicked out of school. The GPA requirements to remain on academic scholarship are a lot higher than the requirements to remain in school right?

 

Are these guys being taken off football scholarship removed from the campus entirely? Or are they allowed to stay in school provided their GPA is where it needs to be? It'd be wrong to kick the guy out of school. Making him pay for the rest of his degree is not something I find all that egregious. If you're getting booted off football scholarship you're not gonna make it as a pro anyway.

[Jon]

I was talking about being kicked off your scholarship, not kicked out of school. The GPA requirements to remain on academic scholarship are a lot higher than the requirements to remain in school right?

 

Are these guys being taken off football scholarship removed from the campus entirely? Or are they allowed to stay in school provided their GPA is where it needs to be? It'd be wrong to kick the guy out of school. Making him pay for the rest of his degree is not something I find all that egregious. If you're getting booted off football scholarship you're not gonna make it as a pro anyway.

It would depend on the scholarship, I suppose, but what percentage of students are actually on an academic scholarship?

 

A tiny, tiny fraction of college football players actually make it as pros even from the strongest SEC programs. Les Miles gets away with bogus medical hardship scholarships for guys who get cut so they can still stay in school. But most want to play football, so they're forced to go elsewhere.

[fiver]

Brooks posts a rumor on his facebook, not naming a coach specifically, and Tennessee forums want to immediately start talking about Trooper Taylor again. Should this surprise me?

 

Not really. Auburn is a bunch of dirty, dirty cheaters.

 

I'm sure you understand why Tennessee fans would love for Taylor to be involved with some type of scandal. Oh, and how, specifically, has the AU football program cheated in recent times? they didn't even oversign with this recruiting class.

 

edit - I'll be here to 'take my medicine' if it's proven that Auburn cheated in any way.

Edited February 14, 2011 by fiver

[Guest]

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

This is amazing.

[NewUserName]

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

This is amazing.

 

I missed this original post. and it is amazing

[Tracer Bullet]

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

This is amazing.

 

we thought you were good. so you suffered a career ending knee injury on the first day of practice? tough break. there's a nice JC you can attend just down the street.

[TheVolCub08]

I'm not at all surprised at the responses some of you have given. But I live in 2010, without the delusion that many blue chip athletes use college as anything more than a training ground for a professional league. And I'm also not naive enough to think that most colleges use these kids as anything more than a tool to bolster their own bottom-lines.

 

Ohio State does not care if Pryor graduates [expletive] Laude, or if he graduates at all. They care if he wins games and puts butts in the seats and dollars in the bank. And Terrelle Pryor did not choose Ohio State because of a single class, major, or professor on that campus. He chose OSU for Saturdays and for a potential career in the NFL. To believe otherwise is incredibly naive.

 

I'm not saying that I agree with the system, but it is what it is. The teams who win and will continue to win are the ones who understand the system and play to it. You may not like it, but it's 100% true. If you think it's a corrupt system, so be it. Once the NCAA agrees and does something to stop it, you will have a valid complaint. Until then, it's really just a bunch of sanctimonious whining.

 

"But these are student-athletes..." Puh-lease. It's not 1963 in the NCAA anymore, folks. Right or wrong, that is the 100% truth, and you know it. You may not like it, but you know it's the truth. And if you don't, you likely cheer for a team that has a winning season once every 8 or 9 years.

[TheVolCub08]

Sounds like Big Slick has a bigger problem with the upper classmen having their schollies taken away, which I have absolutely no issues with. They are year-to-year grants in aid that are based on athletic ability, and if you're not good enough to maintain one, I don't see why any coach should be forced to keep offering them to you.

 

This is amazing.

 

we thought you were good. so you suffered a career ending knee injury on the first day of practice? tough break. there's a nice JC you can attend just down the street.

 

Good thing I didn't make that point, since a person in that condition would almost 100% of the time earn a medical hardship scholarship.

 

At least you tried, though. #-o

[SouthSideRyan]

Hahahaaha, hosak complaining about other people's sanctimonious whining.