NFC Championship (Bears fans)

[SouthSideRyan]

I think if you would watch that play again... it looks like Rodgers was finshing his throwing motion and his left shoulder dropped down enough that Peppers hit his helmet instead... That's what it looks like to me after watching it a couple times. I think Peppers was going for his shoulder area, but he was just a little late. I don't think it would've mattered if he lowered his head as he would've still hit Rodgers in the helmet (most likely). It's still a flag regardless. Only way it wouldn't been a flag is if he leads with his shoulder first. DEs won't ever stop tackling high because they also try to "whack" their arms in hope to knock the ball loose and that's hard to do when you're trying to tackle at the waist/stomach area.

 

i watched that play again and no, it doesn't look like that to me at all. plus he's quite obviously not going for rodgers' arm, he's just charging at him fast and hitting him. he could have avoided a penalty by lowering his head and initiating the tackle at rodgers' chest or waist level; instead he led with his head and that was the first thing to make contact (with rodgers' head).

 

Rodgers turns his head into Peppers on the play.

[CubColtPacer]

I think if you would watch that play again... it looks like Rodgers was finshing his throwing motion and his left shoulder dropped down enough that Peppers hit his helmet instead... That's what it looks like to me after watching it a couple times. I think Peppers was going for his shoulder area, but he was just a little late. I don't think it would've mattered if he lowered his head as he would've still hit Rodgers in the helmet (most likely). It's still a flag regardless. Only way it wouldn't been a flag is if he leads with his shoulder first. DEs won't ever stop tackling high because they also try to "whack" their arms in hope to knock the ball loose and that's hard to do when you're trying to tackle at the waist/stomach area.

 

i watched that play again and no, it doesn't look like that to me at all. plus he's quite obviously not going for rodgers' arm, he's just charging at him fast and hitting him. he could have avoided a penalty by lowering his head and initiating the tackle at rodgers' chest or waist level; instead he led with his head and that was the first thing to make contact (with rodgers' head).

 

Rodgers turns his head into Peppers on the play.

 

Only in the sense that Rodgers turns his head slightly to look more straight downfield. Even if Rodgers doesn't turn his head, Peppers is going to hit his helmet. It might have just been a fraction of a second later.

[minnesotacubsfan]

WHAT A [expletive]:

 

 

Cutler received painkiller shot vs. Pack

 

Sean Jensen of the Sun-Times reports that Jay Cutler received a painkiller injection in his injured knee during halftime of the Bears NFC Championship game loss to the Packers.

 

Our View: An MRI revealed that he suffered a torn MCL. He did attempt to play the second half and it turns out that he took the shot to try to ease the pain, so this will hopefully cause Cutler's many critics to back off a bit. Even so, many Bears fans are likely to be bitter for quite some time.

[UMFan83]

This totally is another Bartman. Because of the initial reaction, the media will for years talk about how we all hate Cutler because we all think he quit on the team. Just like to this day people talk about how Cubs fans will never forgive Bartman for that fateful night, when 99% of us could care less about Bartman

[SouthSideRyan]

This totally is another Bartman. Because of the initial reaction, the media will for years talk about how we all hate Cutler because we all think he quit on the team. Just like to this day people talk about how Cubs fans will never forgive Bartman for that fateful night, when 99% of us could care less about Bartman

 

There a lot more idiots that hate Cutler right now than hated Bartman 2 weeks later. Probably because football fans are dumber.

[JonJayCutler]

Is there anyone who really thinks we would have won if Cutler had played the entire game? I know that's beside the point, but the fact remains that he wasn't playing very well to begin with.

[dew1679666265]

Is there anyone who really thinks we would have won if Cutler had played the entire game? I know that's beside the point, but the fact remains that he wasn't playing very well to begin with.

 

That apparently doesn't matter to a lot of people. They laud Rivers for posting this line when he played shortly after surgery:

 

19/37 - 211 yds - 0:2 TD:INT

 

For a lot of people, it seems, it's more about being tough than about being good.

[Jon]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

[UMFan83]

Is there anyone who really thinks we would have won if Cutler had played the entire game? I know that's beside the point, but the fact remains that he wasn't playing very well to begin with.

 

Well, it depends on when he got hurt. Supposedly the new belief is he got hurt on the first play of the 2nd quarter. And while he wasn't great in the 1st, he was better than his performance in the 2nd.

 

But no, we probably don't win the gmae if he stays in. And then the media virtually ignores his injury in order to rip him relentlessly for not being a big game player. It was a no win situation, so honorably he made the decision that benefited the team the most. What a selfish turd.

[JonJayCutler]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

 

He also made two TD throws (Knox looked like he was in but was ruled out at the 1 and they ran it in the next play) that Cutler would have had to account for. Plus, Cutler is more than capable of throwing his own pick sixes.

[DivineBovine]

Is there anyone who really thinks we would have won if Cutler had played the entire game? I know that's beside the point, but the fact remains that he wasn't playing very well to begin with.

 

Well, it depends on when he got hurt. Supposedly the new belief is he got hurt on the first play of the 2nd quarter. And while he wasn't great in the 1st, he was better than his performance in the 2nd.

 

But no, we probably don't win the gmae if he stays in. And then the media virtually ignores his injury in order to rip him relentlessly for not being a big game player. It was a no win situation, so honorably he made the decision that benefited the team the most. What a selfish turd.

 

 

 

Cutler didn't play so great, true. But there's no way a healthy Cutler doesn't give them a better chance of winning than 3rd stringer Caleb Hanie. If anyone believes that, then they should also believe the Bears should just promote Hanie to starter. And the fact is that Hanie wasn't that far from winning the game. So yes, of course I think they could've won with a healthy Cutler the whole game.

 

After all, the Pack looked like they were going to blow us out in the first quarter and Aaron Rodgers looked like the best QB ever for a while. But he certainly didn't finish that way. No reason to think that Cutler couldn't have played the second half better than the first.

 

But sadly we'll never know.

[UMFan83]

Oh, I thought he was asking if Cutler they left Cutler in the game despite being hurt, would they have won?

 

Cutler obviously gave them the best chance to win if he was healthy despite his poor performance up to that point. There were multiple games this year where Cutler had a bad first quarter/first half and made adjustments and turned the game around in the 2nd half.

[Keener98]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

 

He also made two TD throws (Knox looked like he was in but was ruled out at the 1 and they ran it in the next play) that Cutler would have had to account for. Plus, Cutler is more than capable of throwing his own pick sixes.

 

Yea cause Hanie is so much better than Cutler that Hanie gave the Bears the best chance to win...........

[Soul]

If anyone believes that, then they should also believe the Bears should just promote Hanie to starter.

 

I don't believe it, but this statement of yours suggests something that isn't true.

 

It's quite possible for a lesser QB to perform better for 2 quarters, yet still not be the better starting QB solution for a team (or even for the next week).

[Sammy Sofa]

This totally is another Bartman. Because of the initial reaction, the media will for years talk about how we all hate Cutler because we all think he quit on the team. Just like to this day people talk about how Cubs fans will never forgive Bartman for that fateful night, when 99% of us could care less about Bartman

 

You're drastically underestimating the number of Cubs fans that can still get whipped into a frenzy over Bartman.

[Sammy Sofa]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

 

He also made two TD throws (Knox looked like he was in but was ruled out at the 1 and they ran it in the next play) that Cutler would have had to account for. Plus, Cutler is more than capable of throwing his own pick sixes.

 

You really think a healthy Cutler doesn't give them a better chance to win the rest of that game over Hanie even with how crappy he looked in the first?

[kujay]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

 

He also made two TD throws (Knox looked like he was in but was ruled out at the 1 and they ran it in the next play) that Cutler would have had to account for. Plus, Cutler is more than capable of throwing his own pick sixes.

 

You really think a healthy Cutler doesn't give them a better chance to win the rest of that game over Hanie even with how crappy he looked in the first?

 

I'm not buying that (what CBM said) either. During the game, I was the eternal optimist. Just get a score here, get a stop here, go down and score and we'll be okay. And Cutler kept disappointing in the first half. But I still thought he would turn it around, and I think the Bears would have been in a much better position to pull it out if he had stayed in, er, been able to stay in.

[UMFan83]

Don't not forget that Hanie threw a brutal pick 6 when the defense was playing well. And then there were the pair of Collins series.

 

He also made two TD throws (Knox looked like he was in but was ruled out at the 1 and they ran it in the next play) that Cutler would have had to account for. Plus, Cutler is more than capable of throwing his own pick sixes.

 

You really think a healthy Cutler doesn't give them a better chance to win the rest of that game over Hanie even with how crappy he looked in the first?

 

I'm not buying that either. During the game, I was the eternal optimist. Just get a score here, get a stop here, go down and score and we'll be okay. And Cutler kept disappointing in the first half. But I still thought he would turn it around, and I think the Bears would have been in a much better position to pull it out if he had stayed in, er, been able to stay in.

 

This is random because I was looking at his 2010 splits to see if Cutler's stats were better in the 2nd half of games vs. the first half (they aren't). But I noticed something odd. Cutler performed drastically better in the 2nd quarter than the other 3 quarters.

 

1st quarter: 60.2% comp%, 7.3 YPA, 4 TD, 4 INT, 79.3 RAT

2nd quarter: 63.8% comp%, 8.5 YPA, 9 TD, 3 INT, 101.7 RAT

3rd quarter: 60.0% comp%, 7.4 YPA, 5 TD, 5 INT, 78.8 RAT

4th quarter: 57.7% comp%, 6.6 YPA, 5 TD, 4 INT, 77.7 RAT

 

Of course, those numbers don't mean anything, as the year before his best quarter was the 3rd, the year before it was the 4th, the year before that the 1st.

[DivineBovine]

If anyone believes that, then they should also believe the Bears should just promote Hanie to starter.

 

I don't believe it, but this statement of yours suggests something that isn't true.

 

It's quite possible for a lesser QB to perform better for 2 quarters, yet still not be the better starting QB solution for a team (or even for the next week).

 

 

Of course that's also the case. Just like Ryan Theriot can outperform Albert Pujols in any given game.

 

But I don't think that one can say Jay Cutler, despite his mediocre first half, couldn't have outperformed Hanie in the later part of the game. Hanie didn't even get significant reps in practice. It's one thing if Hanie got lucky and threw 3 TD's and had a perfect passer rating. Then you could argue that Peyton Manning or Tom Brady couldn't have matched that. But he didn't.

 

Now an injured Cutler, that's a different story. I certainly wouldn't want an injured Cutler who couldn't run or plant in the game over Hanie.

[JonJayCutler]

Oh, I thought he was asking if Cutler they left Cutler in the game despite being hurt, would they have won?

 

Yeah that's the thing, I WAS. Everyone completely twisted around what I said. I said nothing about a healthy Cutler versus Hanie. I was implying that if Cutler had stayed in the game with his injury, that we still wouldn't have won, which I said in response to all the media meatheads who act like Cutler playing through his injury would have changed the outcome of the game.

 

I'm not sure which part of what I said implied a healthy Cutler. Of course I rather have a healthy Cutler in there than Hanie. Duh.

[Magnetic Curses]

meatballs

[minnesotacubsfan]

use the term correctly dammit.

[Soul]

After reading this board I'm more confused than ever about that.

[javy knows my name]

Oh, I thought he was asking if Cutler they left Cutler in the game despite being hurt, would they have won?

 

Yeah that's the thing, I WAS. Everyone completely twisted around what I said. I said nothing about a healthy Cutler versus Hanie. I was implying that if Cutler had stayed in the game with his injury, that we still wouldn't have won, which I said in response to all the media meatheads who act like Cutler playing through his injury would have changed the outcome of the game.

 

I'm not sure which part of what I said implied a healthy Cutler. Of course I rather have a healthy Cutler in there than Hanie. Duh.

 

Yeah, that was a big ol' reading comprehension fail. That misunderstanding sidetracked the thread for two pages

[Ding Dong Johnson]

After reading this board I'm more confused than ever about that.

Confused or annoyed?