Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Guest]

@Joelsherman1: Person involved in talks tells me #Cubs definitely in on Pujols

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[Guest]

Well, it wouldn't. We just have too many people on this board who think Pujols is light years better than Fielder. And that is not the case at all. And I would love Pujols to be a Cub.

 

 

Pujols IS light years better than Fielder. What makes this a difficult decision is the age gap.

[Guest]

FWIW (which may be nothing), let's remember that Sherman was the first person to report Theo to the Cubs as a real possibility.

[SouthSideRyan]

@Joelsherman1: Person involved in talks tells me #Cubs definitely in on Pujols

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Now 18 different twitters/articles/sports radio stations can report this and each instance can be treated as corroboration.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Joel Sherman says a person familiar with the Pujols talks says Cubs are definitely in it...

 

Theo is in:

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2UmCSlZu53c/Sof8VsSLxqI/AAAAAAAAAVs/ti28fgGx-dY/s400/StealthMode3.gif

 

At least I hope he is.

[Guest]

Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman

#Cubs at very least want to make life miserable for #Cardinals by bidding up $$. But also see value of adding power when that's hard to find

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[Guest]

@Joelsherman1: Person involved in talks tells me #Cubs definitely in on Pujols

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Now 18 different twitters/articles/sports radio stations can report this and each instance can be treated as corroboration.

 

That's the fun of all this [expletive], right?

[davell]

Joel Sherman says a person familiar with the Pujols talks says Cubs are definitely in it...

And no sleep tonight..........

[Rob]

Fielder is Mo Vaughn or Travis Hafner.

 

I don't get why people keep talking about Prince, then looking at Mo Vaughn and thinking that's a terrible thing.

 

During his age 30 season, Vaughn hit 40 homers with 117 RBIs and a .402 OPB.

 

During his age 31 season, he hit 33 with 108 RBIs and a .358 OPB.

 

During his age 32 season, he hit 36 homers with 117 RBIs and a .365 OPB.

 

Then he got hurt.

 

When he came back, during his age 34 season, he hit 26 homers with 72 RBIs and a .349 OBP.

 

That last season is not great, of course, but that would be Fielder's seventh season of a seven-year contract.

 

So, if Fielder produced like Vaughn did from his age 28 season to his age 34 season, why would that be bad again?

 

Somewhere around ~2.0 WAR is average for a position player in a full season. He went from 6.6 WAR (slightly better than Fielder's peak) in his last year in Boston to totals of 1.9 and 2.0 the next two seasons, missed a year entirely, then came back out with a 0.8 season and a sub-replacement level -0.6 WAR before leaving baseball entirely. He was never an above average regular after signing his big contract.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again... players with the body type and skill set that Prince Fielder has peak very early and do not age well. There is no gradual decline. It's a nosedive off a cliff.

 

Now I'm not saying I don't like Prince Fielder at all. But he's the kind of piece you add to put yourself over the top in the next few years... not the type to build around for the long term. Give him 5 years and I'm happy. Give him 6 years and show me a blueprint that has us competing sooner rather than later and I can probably live with it. If we have to pony up that 7th year, I'd rather we be shopping in the bargain bin.

[shnsajax]

Joel Sherman says a person familiar with the Pujols talks says Cubs are definitely in it...

And no sleep tonight..........

 

Tent is pitched.

[davell]

Seriously, other than Davearm, is anyone here actually going to be pissed if we gave Pujols 10 years and 275 mill? I would know it's going to haunt us later on, but I'd still be happy at first. It IS Albert Pujols afterall.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rob,

 

I want you to give me a list that represents any sort of decent sample size to say guys shaped like Fielder are likely to collapse before age 33.

[ConstableRabbit]

Seriously, other than Davearm, is anyone here actually going to be pissed if we gave Pujols 10 years and 275 mill? I would know it's going to haunt us later on, but I'd still be happy at first. It IS Albert Pujols afterall.

As much as it pains me to say, I'd be [expletive] ecstatic at first.

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, other than Davearm, is anyone here actually going to be pissed if we gave Pujols 10 years and 275 mill? I would know it's going to haunt us later on, but I'd still be happy at first. It IS Albert Pujols afterall.

 

I'd imagine a response similar to that following the Soriano contract.

[ConstableRabbit]

Rob,

 

I want you to give me a list that represents any sort of decent sample size to say guys shaped like Fielder are likely to collapse before age 33.

So far I have Vaughn and Babe Ruth.... can we just average the 2?

[Soul]

Thinking about it ---- we must be in on Pujols. It makes too much sense. We either land Pujols, or make it incredibly painful for St. Louis to retain him.

 

It's a win/win for us.

[mookie]

Seriously, other than Davearm, is anyone here actually going to be pissed if we gave Pujols 10 years and 275 mill? I would know it's going to haunt us later on, but I'd still be happy at first. It IS Albert Pujols afterall.

 

I keep reading your name as Davearm and wanting to yell at you for changing your damn story.

[Ski]

I've heard that the Cubs would prefer a shorter contract with a higher AAV. Would anyone here go 6/200? 6/180? What would you give him annually for 6 years?

[Brian]

Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman

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:lol: if true Theo/Jed are awesome. Please no one tell him this isn't Yankees v. Red Sox

[ctcf]

I would be pretty sad with 10 years period

[MSG T]

I've heard that the Cubs would prefer a shorter contract with a higher AAV. Would anyone here go 6/200? 6/180? What would you give him annually for 6 years?

 

 

I'd go close to that. You'd still end up paying that much, or more, over ten years, so if he'd give it serious consideration? Yeah, I'd at least go close. Then you're off the hook in 6 years rather than 10.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why were people ok with 5/150 but not ~200/10?

 

Even if its220 is five more years for another 70 all that scary?

 

You are asking if $70 million is a big deal?

[CUBZ99]

Nice to see the Cubs in on Pujols. Would love to see him in Cubbie blue.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I've heard that the Cubs would prefer a shorter contract with a higher AAV. Would anyone here go 6/200? 6/180? What would you give him annually for 6 years?

 

6/165 is as far as I'd go, off the top of my head.

[Guest]

Why were people ok with 5/150 but not ~200/10?

 

Even if its220 is five more years for another 70 all that scary?

 

You are asking if $70 million is a big deal?

 

Over 5 years additional years before which you're likely already getting elite production and potentially more very productive years thereafter. Also, $70M in 2016 dollars isn't the same as $70M in 2011 dollars, baseball wise or in general. Or Cubs-wise, really, as we should have a lot more revenue at that point.

 

220/10 and 22 AAV isn't like some horror story compared to 150/5.

Edited December 7, 2011 by David