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[Guest]

Do you realize how long five years is? Do you really think their plan involves 5+ years to get to contention?

 

Hell, I thought you were kidding about building through the draft, hence my throwaway joke comment about them getting fired.

 

I think they are serious when they say that their primary plan is to develop a long-term winner based on scouting and drafting.

 

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

 

Sooooo what are they going to do with all that money that can no longer go into the draft and apparently isn't going to go into major league payroll?

[MSG T]

Do you realize how long five years is? Do you really think their plan involves 5+ years to get to contention?

 

Hell, I thought you were kidding about building through the draft, hence my throwaway joke comment about them getting fired.

 

I think they are serious when they say that their primary plan is to develop a long-term winner based on scouting and drafting.

 

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

I think they were just as serious in wanting to not give up a chance to win now.

[Banedon]

Do you realize how long five years is? Do you really think their plan involves 5+ years to get to contention?

 

Hell, I thought you were kidding about building through the draft, hence my throwaway joke comment about them getting fired.

 

I think they are serious when they say that their primary plan is to develop a long-term winner based on scouting and drafting.

 

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

 

Sooooo what are they going to do with all that money that can no longer go into the draft and apparently isn't going to go into major league payroll?

 

CJ Wilson?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Sooooo what are they going to do with all that money that can no longer go into the draft and apparently isn't going to go into major league payroll?

 

Lots of short-term deals. Then whatever's left goes into a big pizza party.

[Guest]

Guys, trades are real things too.

[XZero771679666304]

Do you realize how long five years is? Do you really think their plan involves 5+ years to get to contention?

 

Hell, I thought you were kidding about building through the draft, hence my throwaway joke comment about them getting fired.

 

I think they are serious when they say that their primary plan is to develop a long-term winner based on scouting and drafting.

 

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

 

I think they will focus on the draft and IFA, but I don't at all buy into the notion they'll be doing so to the exclusion of big free agents. It's going to have to be both to make substantial progress within five years.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've never said I despise these boards, but I didn't think Hoyer/Epstien were going to sign Puljos or Fielder to contracts longer than 5 years. I've pretty much said as much several times and been ridiculed for it. Now it looks very likely we won't be signing either one of them, and it feels good to be right.

 

Saying they won't isn't the same as saying they shouldn't. Obviously whether or not they get them is up to a lot of outside forces.

 

 

But it's idiotic to not want them to sign them.

[MSG T]

Do you realize how long five years is? Do you really think their plan involves 5+ years to get to contention?

 

Hell, I thought you were kidding about building through the draft, hence my throwaway joke comment about them getting fired.

 

I think they are serious when they say that their primary plan is to develop a long-term winner based on scouting and drafting.

 

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

 

Sooooo what are they going to do with all that money that can no longer go into the draft and apparently isn't going to go into major league payroll?

 

CJ Wilson?

 

Nah, that 6-7 year contract is all about winning now and the Cubs are in it for the long haul, not the now.

[Banedon]

Jon_Heyman: Pujols confidant suggests he will give #STLCards every opportunity. #marlins giving it a great go tho

[Little Slide Rooter]

If it comes down to it, I can see the Cubs going 6 years. Maybe even 7. But I could also see the Mariners giving him the 8/200 he supposedly wants.

 

As long as someone goes high enough to trump the Brewers. Sure, like everyone I'd prefer Pujols or Fielder come to the Cubs, but the next best scenerio is Pujols to the Marlins and Fielder to the Brewers, and there's really not much that they can do to make up for it judging by what's left on the FA market. This is great news for Reds in the immediate future, especially if they can trade Alonzo for a good starting pitcher.

 

As for us, assuming those 2 are off the market, how would an opening day lineup of

 

CF Jackson

SS Castro

3B Headley (depending on the price: Marmol, Russell, LeMahieu centric)

1B Sanchez (depending on the price: perhaps something Zambrano-centric?)

RF DeJesus

2B Hudson (acquired with Headley)

LF Soriano/Byrd/some guy

C Castillo

SP Garza

SP Dempster

SP Niemann/Davis (acquired for Soto)

SP Wells

SP Samardzjia

CL Cashner

BP Marshall

BP Wood

BP Beliveau

BP Dolis/Carpenter (the other traded along the way?)

BP Gaub

BP Guzman

Bench C Clevenger

Bench Baker

Bench Barney

Bench 2 of LaHair/Colvin/DeWitt/Campana/other

 

Certainly wouldn't have a ton of power, but would be a balanced lineup with some high reward guys. Sanchez would be the toughest to get as is always the case when dealing with the Marlins, so we'd have to brace ourselves for LaHair at 1st as a backup plan unless of course we kept Z and tried to move Garza for a Alonzo or Montero centric package and try them at 1st.

[XZero771679666304]

Guys, trades are real things too.

 

I think we're going to see several of those in the near future.

[jersey cubs fan]

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

This team is going to suck balls for a long time if they are happy with the Dejesuses of the world for a few years.

[Banedon]

ScottMCBSSports: Sources: Marlins in internal mtgs this afternoon discussing strategy/options re. Pujols, Buehrle and others.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

CJ Wilson?

 

Bleachernation had a "source" today that said that the Cubs are only keeping involved in the Wilson talks to

 

 

I think they were just as serious in wanting to not give up a chance to win now.

 

Sure. That's why they signed David DeJesus instead of just filling RF with whatever AAA dross they could scrape together.

 

 

Ultimately, I don't think they are wedded to any one strategy for the short-term. I suspect they have a value placed on every possible acquisition, and they won't go beyond it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

This team is going to suck balls for a long time if they are happy with the Dejesuses of the world for a few years.

 

Disagree. There's more talent here than you think.

[rawaction]

If it comes down to it, I can see the Cubs going 6 years. Maybe even 7. But I could also see the Mariners giving him the 8/200 he supposedly wants.

 

As long as someone goes high enough to trump the Brewers. Sure, like everyone I'd prefer Pujols or Fielder come to the Cubs, but the next best scenerio is Pujols to the Marlins and Fielder to the Brewers, and there's really not much that they can do to make up for it judging by what's left on the FA market. This is great news for Reds in the immediate future, especially if they can trade Alonzo for a good starting pitcher.

 

As for us, assuming those 2 are off the market, how would an opening day lineup of

 

CF Jackson

SS Castro

3B Headley (depending on the price: Marmol, Russell, LeMahieu centric)

1B Sanchez (depending on the price: perhaps something Zambrano-centric?)

RF DeJesus

2B Hudson (acquired with Headley)

LF Soriano/Byrd/some guy

C Castillo

SP Garza

SP Dempster

SP Niemann/Davis (acquired for Soto)

SP Wells

SP Samardzjia

CL Cashner

BP Marshall

BP Wood

BP Beliveau

BP Dolis/Carpenter (the other traded along the way?)

BP Gaub

BP Guzman

Bench C Clevenger

Bench Baker

Bench Barney

Bench 2 of LaHair/Colvin/DeWitt/Campana/other

 

Certainly wouldn't have a ton of power, but would be a balanced lineup with some high reward guys. Sanchez would be the toughest to get as is always the case when dealing with the Marlins, so we'd have to brace ourselves for LaHair at 1st as a backup plan unless of course we kept Z and tried to move Garza for a Alonzo or Montero centric package and try them at 1st.

 

That's not a terrible team, especially in a Pujols and Prince-less division.

[Guest]

@cst_cubs: Sveum on Prince: we're not even in any kind of process... Haven't talked to him.

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[bukie]

Guys, trades are real things too.

No, there are only free agents and draftees. Trades are the kind of things that only happen in fantasy baseball.

 

Seriously, though...if the Marlins land Pujols for 10 years and an NTC, the Cubs should immediately see what they want for guys like Hanley and LoMo, and see what they'll give for Garza/Z/Marmol (though they're probably not interested in Marmol after signing Bell).

[XZero771679666304]

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

This team is going to suck balls for a long time if they are happy with the Dejesuses of the world for a few years.

 

Disagree. There's more talent here than you think.

 

Maybe enough to hang around but not enough to contend.

[XZero771679666304]

Guys, trades are real things too.

No, there are only free agents and draftees. Trades are the kind of things that only happen in fantasy baseball.

 

Seriously, though...if the Marlins land Pujols for 10 years and an NTC, the Cubs should immediately see what they want for guys like Hanley and LoMo, and see what they'll give for Garza/Z/Marmol (though they're probably not interested in Marmol after signing Bell).

 

Trading Garza for Hanley crossed my mind earlier.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe enough to hang around but not enough to contend.

 

Immediately? Sure.

 

But give Epstein a couple offseasons to keep finding well-valued talent, and I don't see any reason why he couldn't put together a team that wins 90 games in the NL Central.

 

I'm not saying it's the only way, or even the ideal way. There's just a lot of moving parts to trying to sign a major free agent, and I don't for a second believe that passing on a few of them means we are dooooooooomed.

[jersey cubs fan]

If they don't get Fielder or Pujols at a price they are happy with, I think they are more than happy to see what they can do with the DeJesuses of the world for a few years.

 

This team is going to suck balls for a long time if they are happy with the Dejesuses of the world for a few years.

 

Disagree. There's more talent here than you think.

 

Where's it hiding?

 

No, there isn't more talent here than I think. There is a whole bunch of mediocrity.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Where's it hiding?

 

No, there isn't more talent here than I think. There is a whole bunch of mediocrity.

 

In Starlin Castro's spray chart and half the pitching staff's FIP.

[RammyFanny]

If it comes down to it, I can see the Cubs going 6 years. Maybe even 7. But I could also see the Mariners giving him the 8/200 he supposedly wants.

 

As long as someone goes high enough to trump the Brewers. Sure, like everyone I'd prefer Pujols or Fielder come to the Cubs, but the next best scenerio is Pujols to the Marlins and Fielder to the Brewers, and there's really not much that they can do to make up for it judging by what's left on the FA market. This is great news for Reds in the immediate future, especially if they can trade Alonzo for a good starting pitcher.

 

As for us, assuming those 2 are off the market, how would an opening day lineup of

 

CF Jackson

SS Castro

3B Headley (depending on the price: Marmol, Russell, LeMahieu centric)

1B Sanchez (depending on the price: perhaps something Zambrano-centric?)

RF DeJesus

2B Hudson (acquired with Headley)

LF Soriano/Byrd/some guy

C Castillo

SP Garza

SP Dempster

SP Niemann/Davis (acquired for Soto)

SP Wells

SP Samardzjia

CL Cashner

BP Marshall

BP Wood

BP Beliveau

BP Dolis/Carpenter (the other traded along the way?)

BP Gaub

BP Guzman

Bench C Clevenger

Bench Baker

Bench Barney

Bench 2 of LaHair/Colvin/DeWitt/Campana/other

 

Certainly wouldn't have a ton of power, but would be a balanced lineup with some high reward guys. Sanchez would be the toughest to get as is always the case when dealing with the Marlins, so we'd have to brace ourselves for LaHair at 1st as a backup plan unless of course we kept Z and tried to move Garza for a Alonzo or Montero centric package and try them at 1st.

We'd be sitting on a crap ton of money in that situation. At least sign a big name pitcher or something. I don't feel like doing math, but we'd proabably be leaving like 35 million open if I had to make a random guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe enough to hang around but not enough to contend.

 

Immediately? Sure.

 

But give Epstein a couple offseasons to keep finding well-valued talent, and I don't see any reason why he couldn't put together a team that wins 90 games in the NL Central.

 

Again, they are going to suck for a while before any sort of 90-win potential becomes real with that plan.