Re: Mid-season prospect lists

[TruffleShuffle]

feel free to rank based on historical performance or, if you prefer, who's played well in the last week. i don't know if starlin and cash have used up their rookie eligibility, but i'm not going to be listing them.

 

1. b. jackson

2. archer

3. hak-ju lee

4. vitters

5. mcnutt

6. jay jackson

7. carpenter

8. lake

9. rhee

10. guyer

11. jin-yeong kim (will give some credit to his $1.2m bonus)

12. dolis

13. chirinos

14. hayden simpson (new guy)

15. lemahieu

16. raley

17. cales

18. barney

19. szczur or however it's spelled

20. burke

[Guest]

No Rusin?

[TruffleShuffle]

No Rusin?

 

next five would have been rusin, beliveau (wish i knew more about his stuff, love his low H/9 and high K/9 rates though), gaub, alcantara and either aaron kurcz or one of the three kids putting up good numbers in the DSL at age 17 (hernandez, zapata, amaya).

[Little Slide Rooter]

What about tony Thomas whose quietly having a very good year for himself? Marquez Smiths another guy whose becoming intriguing. After a brutal start to his AAA career, hes hitting .297/.389/.475./.854

[Tryptamine]

No Reggie Golden? I think he's to 10-12 for me at the moment just based on his tools.

[TruffleShuffle]

No Reggie Golden? I think he's to 10-12 for me at the moment just based on his tools.

 

i have zero confidence that the cubs can properly develop a hitter with his profile.

[TruffleShuffle]

that being said, he can't have much worse discipline than junior lake had last year, and he seems to be coming along... so maybe i should give golden more credit.

 

isn't there another highly-touted korean prospect who supposedly runs like the wind? ping chieh something or other? hard to keep those guys straight until they debut over here.

 

i could see myself putting h-j lee at the top in the post-season list with jackson and archer behind him.

[Guest]

that being said, he can't have much worse discipline than junior lake had last year, and he seems to be coming along... so maybe i should give golden more credit.

 

isn't there another highly-touted korean prospect who supposedly runs like the wind? ping chieh something or other? hard to keep those guys straight until they debut over here.

 

i could see myself putting h-j lee at the top in the post-season list with jackson and archer behind him.

 

Kyung-Min Ma is the speedy Korean you're thinking of. He's in Boise. Dong-Yub Kim is more of a power hitting OF but he's out for the season down in Mesa. Na got approximately $750k and Kim $500k last year.

[Outshined_One]

Rough Draft:

 

1) Brett Jackson

2) Hak-Ju Lee

3) Jay Jackson

4) Josh Vitters

5) Chris Archer

6) Trey McNutt

7) Chris Carpenter

8) Dae-Eun Rhee

9) Reggie Golden

10) Junior Lake

11) Hayden Simpson

12) Jin-Yeong Kim

13) Darwin Barney

14) Ryan Flaherty

15) Rafael Dolis

16) Casey Coleman

17) Chris Rusin

18) DJ LeMahieu

19) Matthew Szczur

20) Micah Gibbs

 

Honorable Mentions: Aaron Kurcz, Kyler Burke, Robinson Chirinos, Tony Thomas

 

I'll be very curious to see what BA's Top 20 lists for the AZ League and the Northwest League look like. The Cubs have some guys down there who are intriguing, but, right now, it's hard to tell whether those guys could be any good based solely on their statistics. We've gotten some reports on guys like Kurcz and Szczur, but that's about the extent of it.

 

I may have missed a few guys, but general thoughts and rationale on this list will be forthcoming.

[Guest]

1. Brett Jackson

2. Josh Vitters

3. Chris Archer

4. Hak-Ju Lee

5. Trey McNutt

6. Jay Jackson

7. Junior Lake

8. Chris Carpenter

9. Dae-Eun Rhee

10. Jin-Yeong Kim

11. Hayden Simpson

12. Reggie Golden

13. Rafael Dolis

14. Ryan Flaherty

15. Chris Rusin

16. Thomas Diamond

17. Brooks Raley

18. DJ LeMahieu

19. Alberto Cabrera

20. Robinson Chirinos

 

I can't bring myself to put Matt Szczur in the top 20 when this could be his last week playing baseball.

[davell]

1 B JACKSON

2 LEE

3 ARCHER

4 J JACKSON

5 VITTERS

6 MCNUTT

7 CARPENTER

8 GOLDEN

9 RHEE

10 LAKE

11 YJ KIM

12 CHIRINOS

13 RUSIN

14 GUYER

15 SIMPSON

16 HA

17 DOLIS

18 BARNEY

19 LEMAHIEU

20 DIAMOND

21 RALEY

22 CALES

23 KIRK

24 COLEMAN

25 SZCZUR

26 FLAHERTY

27 ALCANTARA

28 ANTIGUA

29 NA

30 BIBENS DIRKX

31 CASTILLO

32 BRENLY

33 WATKINS

34 JUNG

35 CANZLER

36 STRUCK

37 CAMPANA

38 CERDA

39 GIBBS

40 A REED

41 BELIVEAU

42 KURCZ

43 CABRERA

44 BURKE

45 SHAFER

46 MORELLI

47 SPENCER

48 MORLA

49 PC CHEN

50 SERRANO

[Addicted2TheShinDig]

1 Brett Jackson

2 Josh Vitters

3 Hak-Ju Lee

4 Trey McNutt

5 Chris Archer

6 Jay Jackson

7 Dae-Eun Rhee

8 Junior Lake

9 Reggie Golden

10 Hayden Simpson

11 Chris Carpenter

12 Thomas Diamond

13 Rafael Dolis

14 Jin-Yeong Kim

15 Chris Rusin

16 Robinson Chirinos

17 Brooks Raley

18 Ryan Flaherty

19 Micah Gibbs

20 Ty Wright

[Vanilla Ice]

Burke :(

[Outshined_One]

Burke :(

 

BABIP hasn't been too kind to him this season, although it looks like he's turning things around a bit since he's hitting .276/.336/.449 in July...however, he's still striking out a whole heck of a lot. I tend to discard Ks in evaluating hitters, but when you strike out in a quarter of your plate appearances without hitting for much power or drawings a lot of walks, there's a problem.

 

He still has the rest of the season to turn it around, but yeah, he's taken a big hit this season.

[A New Era]

I'm interested in Brett Jackson but I don't follow the minor leagues. He's an outfielder right? Could someone shed some light on his recent #'s and what he might project to in the majors? I'd be really interested and thankful for the rundown.

[rawaction]

I'm not knowledgable enough to make a top 20. But here's my top 10

 

1. Brett Jackson

2. Josh Vitters

3. Chris Archer

4. Hak Ju Lee

5. Jay Jackson

6. Trey McNutt

7. Chris Carpenter

8. Dae Eun Rhee

9. Junior Lake

10 Hayden Christensen

[fromthestretch]

I'm not knowledgable enough to make a top 20. But here's my top 10

 

 

10 Hayden Christensen

 

:lol:

[cubfan]

I'm not knowledgable enough to make a top 20. But here's my top 10

 

 

10 Hayden Christensen

 

:lol:

 

The Cubs have finally decided to join the dark side in an attempt to win the World Series?

[dew1679666265]

I'm interested in Brett Jackson but I don't follow the minor leagues. He's an outfielder right? Could someone shed some light on his recent #'s and what he might project to in the majors? I'd be really interested and thankful for the rundown.

 

Daytona this year: .316/.420/.517/.937

Tennessee this year: .269/.378/.419/.798

Overall this year: .303/.409/.492/.901

 

He's 21 years old this year and has a combined 89:57 K:BB ratio. He was rated the 74th best prospect in baseball by Baseball America before the season. He projects to be (I believe) an above average defensive center fielder as well.

[rawaction]

I'm not knowledgable enough to make a top 20. But here's my top 10

 

 

10 Hayden Christensen

 

:lol:

 

The Cubs have finally decided to join the dark side in an attempt to win the World Series?

 

lol. Wow. I always think it, but I didn't think I would actually type it.

[Guest]

I was about to post this elsewhere, but decided it would be a better discussion here.

 

I am probably going to be the only person who does so, but I still have Vitters rated above Jackson at this point. Between that and my Lake-love, my top 5 will look significantly different than most, I think.

[CubColtPacer]

I was about to post this elsewhere, but decided it would be a better discussion here.

 

I am probably going to be the only person who does so, but I still have Vitters rated above Jackson at this point. Between that and my Lake-love, my top 5 will look significantly different than most, I think.

 

I just have a hard time seeing how to put Vitters above Jackson. Jackson has better numbers at the same level as Vitters. He is considered much better defensively than Vitters is and their positions are comparable. His patience also is much better than Vitters.

 

The advantages for Vitters are that he is a year younger, doesn't have a problem with strikeouts like Jackson does, and has a little more power potential.

 

Vitters probably has a little higher ceiling but that would require everything going perfectly. Jackson will be better if Vitters has to move from third or if the power for Vitters doesn't develop as it should or if the lack of walks hurts Vitters.

[Guest]

I was about to post this elsewhere, but decided it would be a better discussion here.

 

I am probably going to be the only person who does so, but I still have Vitters rated above Jackson at this point. Between that and my Lake-love, my top 5 will look significantly different than most, I think.

 

I just have a hard time seeing how to put Vitters above Jackson. Jackson has better numbers at the same level as Vitters. He is considered much better defensively than Vitters is and their positions are comparable. His patience also is much better than Vitters.

 

The advantages for Vitters are that he is a year younger, doesn't have a problem with strikeouts like Jackson does, and has a little more power potential.

 

Vitters probably has a little higher ceiling but that would require everything going perfectly. Jackson will be better if Vitters has to move from third or if the power for Vitters doesn't develop as it should or if the lack of walks hurts Vitters.

I outlined my reasoning in more detail in one of the daily threads about a week or so ago, but it boils down to what I view as roughly equivalent performance at AA this year once luck is factored out, with Vitters being a year younger and with higher upside.

[CubColtPacer]

I was about to post this elsewhere, but decided it would be a better discussion here.

 

I am probably going to be the only person who does so, but I still have Vitters rated above Jackson at this point. Between that and my Lake-love, my top 5 will look significantly different than most, I think.

 

I just have a hard time seeing how to put Vitters above Jackson. Jackson has better numbers at the same level as Vitters. He is considered much better defensively than Vitters is and their positions are comparable. His patience also is much better than Vitters.

 

The advantages for Vitters are that he is a year younger, doesn't have a problem with strikeouts like Jackson does, and has a little more power potential.

 

Vitters probably has a little higher ceiling but that would require everything going perfectly. Jackson will be better if Vitters has to move from third or if the power for Vitters doesn't develop as it should or if the lack of walks hurts Vitters.

I outlined my reasoning in more detail in one of the daily threads about a week or so ago, but it boils down to what I view as roughly equivalent performance at AA this year once luck is factored out, with Vitters being a year younger and with higher upside.

 

Hmm..I remember you mentioning this but forget which thread it was in.

 

I would agree that their performances in AA aren't that much different offensively.

 

I just don't think their defensive differences can be that understated though. Jackson is going to provide value defensively in CF while Vitters is going to struggle to be passable at 3B. IMO, that's worth more than the little better upside Vitters has. Jackson has a much higher potential of being a ML regular.

[jersey cubs fan]

I just have a hard time seeing how to put Vitters above Jackson. Jackson has better numbers at the same level as Vitters. He is considered much better defensively than Vitters is and their positions are comparable. His patience also is much better than Vitters.

 

Isn't one position CF and the other 3B?