2010 Cubs Picks & Signings Thread

[Sammy Sofa]

The point is it's idiotic to say, well Colvin has started well, everybody was wrong about him and Wilken was right, therefore you cannot question a pick regardless of whether or not it was a huge reach.

 

Wilken seems more interested in proving people wrong than drafting the best player.

 

Well its pretty idiotic to say colvin was a bad pick when he has had limited time in the majors. When you sign as a pick it does not make you a pro. Its until you're in the majors in my book.

 

well, your book is wrong.

 

 

Please explain?

 

When you're paid to play baseball you're a professional baseball player. I'm not sure why you needed this very basic concept explained to you, but there you go.

[UK1679666180]

 

 

Please explain?

 

The minute you sign the contract, you're a professional. The day you make it to the majors, you become a major leaguer.

[dew1679666265]

I'm not happy with Wilken and I don't think six or seven average ML ballplayers and two, maybe three above average ones, is a good track record for a guy who's been doing the same job for over 10 years.

 

Draft picks while he was scouting director:

 

Roy Halladay

Chris Carpenter

Carlos Delgado

Shawn Green

Shannon Stewart

Orlando Hudson

Vernon Wells

Alex Rios

 

I'd call all of those guys at least above average, with the first three as great (and Halladay and maybe Carpenter as potential Hall of Famers).

[Guest]

The point is it's idiotic to say, well Colvin has started well, everybody was wrong about him and Wilken was right, therefore you cannot question a pick regardless of whether or not it was a huge reach.

 

Wilken seems more interested in proving people wrong than drafting the best player.

 

Well its pretty idiotic to say colvin was a bad pick when he has had limited time in the majors. When you sign as a pick it does not make you a pro. Its until you're in the majors in my book.

 

well, your book is wrong.

 

 

Please explain?

I"m not abuck, but if you are getting paid to play baseball you are a pro. It doesn't matter what league you are in. But that's just me.

 

"Professional" has connotations that have nothing to do with reality. Saying, "player X is a real pro". Is a meaningless statement. So is saying , "player X isn't a pro until he makes it to the majors."

[Outshined_One]

RHP Ben Wells

 

6'3, 200 pounds, 90-94 with the fb, also features a slider and splitter. Has a commitment to a JC, so he should be an easy sign. BA has him as the #5 prospect in Arkansas and the top HS prospect in the state.

[Tony Thomas]

RHP Ben Wells

 

6'3, 200 pounds, 90-94 with the fb, also features a slider and splitter. Has a commitment to a JC, so he should be an easy sign. BA has him as the #5 prospect in Arkansas and the top HS prospect in the state.

I can't really find anything on him except for an interview that doesn't say anything.

[abuck1220]

The point is it's idiotic to say, well Colvin has started well, everybody was wrong about him and Wilken was right, therefore you cannot question a pick regardless of whether or not it was a huge reach.

 

Wilken seems more interested in proving people wrong than drafting the best player.

 

Well its pretty idiotic to say colvin was a bad pick when he has had limited time in the majors. When you sign as a pick it does not make you a pro. Its until you're in the majors in my book.

 

well, your book is wrong.

 

 

Please explain?

 

you are a professional when you are paid to do something. tyler colvin was paid to be a baseball player when he signed with the cubs. thus, he was a professional when he signed as a pick.

[Guest]

I'm not happy with Wilken and I don't think six or seven average ML ballplayers and two, maybe three above average ones, is a good track record for a guy who's been doing the same job for over 10 years.

 

Draft picks while he was scouting director:

 

Roy Halladay

Chris Carpenter

Carlos Delgado

Shawn Green

Shannon Stewart

Orlando Hudson

Vernon Wells

Alex Rios

 

I'd call all of those guys at least above average, with the first three as great (and Halladay and maybe Carpenter as potential Hall of Famers).

I wouldn't. Delgado wasn't drafted either.

 

My point wasn't to split hairs though. I'm not high on Wilken and even if we can agree that your assessment is correct, that's not a good track record for a guy whose been in his job for that long.

 

Edit: As Cub fans I think we have low expectation levels based on our learning history.

Edited June 8, 2010 by CubinNY

[davell]

I have no idea whether or not Tyler Colvin is ever going to be a true starter for the Cubs. Neither does anyone else. But, the purpose of the minors is to get someone ready to play in the majors. If Colvin did that by working on things and not caring exactly what type of numbers he was putting up in Tennessee, I truly don't care, if he produces at the major league level. He has so far, so that's all that matters at this point, whether we like it or not.

[Outshined_One]

LHP/OF Cameron Greathouse

 

Plus curveball, high 80s fb that could improve in terms of velocity if he converts to pitching full-time. Don't know anything about him as an OF. He's a South Carolina recruit.

[dew1679666265]

I wouldn't. Delgado wasn't drafted either.

 

My point wasn't to split hairs though. I'm not high on Wilken and even if we can agree that your assessment is correct, that's not a good track record for a guy whose been in his job for that long.

 

You're right on Delgado. I just don't see that much to dislike about Wilken. He makes some off the wall picks at times, but he's helped turn this minor league system from one of the worst in baseball to at least middle of the road and rising. He's got a number of high potential players in the minors two of our past four first rounds pick have made the majors already and two others are in or near the top 100 prospects (I believe).

 

Questioning his picks is perfectly fine, but I don't see where he hasn't done a good job.

[Tim M]

I don't know why any fan would give a crap what Tyler Colvin did in AA two years ago. He's in Chicago now and playing well.

[imb]

But he does have a hell of a last name.

 

Assuming he signs, I'm going to hate typing his name into the minor league box scores. It took me forever to learn Samardzija.

 

WHEN DID WE SIGN MAX SCHERZER .... oh wait

[Guest]

I wouldn't. Delgado wasn't drafted either.

 

My point wasn't to split hairs though. I'm not high on Wilken and even if we can agree that your assessment is correct, that's not a good track record for a guy whose been in his job for that long.

 

You're right on Delgado. I just don't see that much to dislike about Wilken. He makes some off the wall picks at times, but he's helped turn this minor league system from one of the worst in baseball to at least middle of the road and rising. He's got a number of high potential players in the minors two of our past four first rounds pick have made the majors already and two others are in or near the top 100 prospects (I believe).

 

Questioning his picks is perfectly fine, but I don't see where he hasn't done a good job.

Regression to the mean.

 

Also, Snyder is in his second season in the bigs and Vitters is crapping the bed as we speak very near to where you live. It's not just who he picked it's also who he didn't pick. That's a tough one to pin on him though, lots of guys get passed over.

 

Again, the Cubs main problem are developing talent, IMO that's not on Wilken.

[abuck1220]

I don't know why any fan would give a crap what Tyler Colvin did in AA two years ago. He's in Chicago now and playing well.

 

because what he did in AA two years ago could be indicative of how he plays in chicago. is that such a hard concept to wrap your head around?

[Outshined_One]

RHP Kevin Rhoderick

 

Relief pitcher for Oregon State. Works high 80s/low 90s, good slider, workable change. Very talented, but stubborn. Needs to work on his delivery and pay attention to runners.

[Guest]

Also, Snyder is in his second season in the bigs and Vitters is crapping the bed as we speak very near to where you live. It's not just who he picked it's also who he didn't pick. That's a tough one to pin on him though, lots of guys get passed over.

 

Snider and Vitters were drafted in different years.

[davell]

I don't know why any fan would give a crap what Tyler Colvin did in AA two years ago. He's in Chicago now and playing well.

 

because what he did in AA two years ago could be indicative of how he plays in chicago. is that such a hard concept to wrap your head around?

 

 

Aren't the minors there to let guys work on things though? Sure, Colvin may go 0 for his next 100 for all we know. But, it's at least plausible to think that he could have matured into what he's done to this point as well. Just because a guy struggles in the minors for a year or two, doesn't close the book on him as a prospect(or probably the better term is actually "future major league contributor")

[Guest]

I'm not happy with Wilken and I don't think six or seven average ML ballplayers and two, maybe three above average ones, is a good track record for a guy who's been doing the same job for over 10 years.

 

Draft picks while he was scouting director:

 

Roy Halladay

Chris Carpenter

Carlos Delgado

Shawn Green

Shannon Stewart

Orlando Hudson

Vernon Wells

Alex Rios

 

I'd call all of those guys at least above average, with the first three as great (and Halladay and maybe Carpenter as potential Hall of Famers).

I wouldn't. Delgado wasn't drafted either.

 

My point wasn't to split hairs though. I'm not high on Wilken and even if we can agree that your assessment is correct, that's not a good track record for a guy whose been in his job for that long.

 

Edit: As Cub fans I think we have low expectation levels based on our learning history.

 

Wilken is generally considered one of the best in baseball, it's not a function of a Cub fan used to mediocrity.

 

You probably should look at how other teams have done in the MLB draft over the years and you'll get a good idea of how Wilken truly does compare favorably.

[Guest]

Also, Snyder is in his second season in the bigs and Vitters is crapping the bed as we speak very near to where you live. It's not just who he picked it's also who he didn't pick. That's a tough one to pin on him though, lots of guys get passed over.

 

Snider and Vitters were drafted in different years.

Sorry, put in Weiters and looks even worse.

[moorecg]

Aaron Kurcz -- RHP Col. of Southern Nevada.

[davell]

Come on Cubs, give us SOMETHING to get excited about: Austin Wilson needs to be ours, whether we have to overpay him or not. And of course we draft another guy who we won't be able to pronounce.......

 

 

Anyway, Wilson, Ficociello, Jaffe, and Duke is about all that's left, as far as what I care about.

[Guest]

Also, Snyder is in his second season in the bigs and Vitters is crapping the bed as we speak very near to where you live. It's not just who he picked it's also who he didn't pick. That's a tough one to pin on him though, lots of guys get passed over.

 

Snider and Vitters were drafted in different years.

Sorry, put in Weiters and looks even worse.

 

Not really.

[Outshined_One]

Aaron Kurcz -- RHP Col. of Southern Nevada.

 

6', 175 pounds, works 92-94, has a breaking ball that needs some work. He was the closer on Bryce Harper's team.

[Guest]

Aaron Kurcz -- RHP Col. of Southern Nevada.

 

6', 175 pounds, works 92-94, has a breaking ball that needs some work. Bryce Harper's teammate.

 

Righthander Aaron Kurcz came to Southern Nevada from Air Force. He's not big, standing 6 feet and 175 pounds, but has consistently pitched with good velocity. He sits 92-94 mph with a slurvy breaking ball that has some bite to it. If he doesn't sign, he'll head to Oral Roberts.