2010 MLB Draft & Signings Thread

[Keener98]

Found his 2010 numbers from the conference website.

 

Player                        ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP  BK  

Hayden Simpson, SAU........  1.81  13-1    15  15   6   3/3    0  99.1  73  25  20  35 131   8   1   2  364  .201    4   5   1

 

Well, at least there's a ton of K's.

 

Vs D2 talent, color me very unimpressed.

[rynefan]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

[Tim M]

Yeah, looks like he's a righty. That tempers my enthusiasm. We have to remember as well that there are plenty of picks left. Even if Simpson doesn't pan out a couple of mid round steals overcomes that.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

 

Heh, that kid is from my high school.

[Donzo1679666396]

Lets hope the mad genius thing is still working with these 1st round picks.

 

I've hated the last 3 1st rounders, now it's 4 in a row. Didn't really mind Cashner, but the other 3 were awful.

 

Hope this guy is as awful as Colvin & Jackson...

Edited June 8, 2010 by Donzo

[Iceblink]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

 

Mlb.com is showing the mlb tv broadcast.

[erik316wttn]

I just got in.

 

Serioulsy? WTF guys? That guy wouldn't have fallen?

 

This organization sucks at all levels.

[UK1679666180]

Wilken seems to do this every year, basically expect the unexpected. Him and his cross-checkers have their own evaluation skills, it also shows how subjective it really is, whether or BA, BP, or PG rate a player it doesn't translate with someone like Wilken.

[Tim M]

Keith Law tweet: Reactions I'm getting to Cubs pick: "Not a priority guy for us" ... "Not in our top 200" ... "Rounds 4-5" (corrected)

[UK1679666180]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

 

CH 213 if you have DirecTV.

 

Congrats to Folty, he definitely deserves this.

[UK1679666180]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

 

CH 213 if you have DirecTV.

 

Congrats to Folty, he definitely deserves this.

[imb]

man, i turned the draft off as soon as that pick was made. what in the world.

[rynefan]

Hey... where is this at live? My son just texted me that his friend went 19th to Houston

 

CH 213 if you have DirecTV.

 

Congrats to Folty, he definitely deserves this.

 

Seems so bizarre. Been watching him since he was 11.

[davearm2]

Wilken seems to do this every year, basically expect the unexpected. Him and his cross-checkers have their own evaluation skills, it also shows how subjective it really is, whether or BA, BP, or PG rate a player it doesn't translate with someone like Wilken.

This brings up a fascinating question. Do the Cubs spend any time evaluating where other teams are rating draft prospects? Do all teams?

 

Even if Wilken and co liked this guy better than everyone else left on the board, a critical question is if they could have gotten him later. How much resources do they expend on this question?

[Rob]

Well, I can't say that I get the pick. But after being made to look foolish after I lashed out at Wilken the last couple first rounds, I'm gonna bite my tongue.

 

I can't say there was any talent on the board so overwhelming that who we should have taken wasn't wide open anyways.

[craig]

I'm no scout and don't know anything. But I'm inclined to go on trust. I do think that Wilken has done pretty well over his career with his 1sts. And as it stands, I am inclined to project Colvin to become a successful one. Obviously Vitters, it's hard to envision that turning into a success. And Jackson certainly looks like he won't be much good, but he was next to the sandwich round, and maybe in time he'll become OK, too.

 

Several comments:

1. Teams are under no obligation to talk up sleeper guys. If a guy is a famous top-tier candidate, why not speak your mind? It's not like nobody has heard about sales or Whitson. But for a guy like this, maybe not? If I think a sleeper is a first round talent, but I'm not sure everybody else agrees, I might be a little less forthcoming to BA and give a little more emphasis on the "but" negatives.

 

2. BA lists aren't always real current. And I would think especially for an obscure prospect. So I don't think the fact that BA wasn't on him, and perhaps scouts weren't that open about how interested they might be, means that at this point he was really going to last to 191 or 121 or 68.

 

3. It takes one team to take a guy that you wanted.

 

4. Teams need to go by their own draft boards. Going by BA or mocks, that isn't reliable. If you think he's BPA, I don't think it's wise to trust Keith Law and Jim Callis to ensure that none of the other 30 teams will see the value that you do and pick him somewhere among the next 50 picks. I think it's almost always the best policy to pick your BPA.

 

5. The proof will be in the future. But Wilken needs to go with his own draft board. If he's vindicated, he's vindicated. If he's not, then of course he'll be subject to the criticism. But I don't think it's that complicated. You've just got to go with your BPA, and not get too cute guessing what other people are going to do.

[Tim M]

It's tough to wait in the MLB draft. Teams take flyers pretty liberally in the supp and 2nd rounds. Although it certainly seems plausible that Simpson would have been there in the 2nd round in this situation.

[illiniguy]

Wait you are writing off Jackson and Vitters already?

[UK1679666180]

Wilken seems to do this every year, basically expect the unexpected. Him and his cross-checkers have their own evaluation skills, it also shows how subjective it really is, whether or BA, BP, or PG rate a player it doesn't translate with someone like Wilken.

This brings up a fascinating question. Do the Cubs spend any time evaluating where other teams are rating draft prospects? Do all teams?

 

Even if Wilken and co liked this guy better than everyone else left on the board, a critical question is if they could have gotten him later. How much resources do they expend on this question?

 

Teams talk, this secret stuff between teams isn't much of a secret at all. The guy even to BA was a top 200 guy (top 5 rounds), Simpson has been seen by almost every scouting director and midwest cross-checker around. Simpson has had scouts at every game from all 30 teams, so they know when the Cubs have Wilken, Hendry, and the area scout at almost all of his starts and know they are very high on him. They might not know, they had him in the 1st, but I doubt the other teams are very surprised about this although they're probably saying they didn't have him nearly as high.

 

Obviously they're not concerned with whether or not they could've gotten him later, they graded him very highly (likely higher than everyone else, Wilken has the balls to not care about what teams or any publication thinks) and felt he was worth the pick with whatever intentions they have the rest of the way.

[Guest]

I think it's great that Wilken isn't afraid of what anyone else thinks when he makes his picks. I think it's baffling that he doesn't use that to his advantage.

[erik316wttn]

I think it's great that Wilken isn't afraid of what anyone else thinks when he makes his picks. I think it's baffling that he doesn't use that to his advantage.

 

It's great that he doesn't care what anyone else thinks. That's a great strength. However, even if for some reason this joker was #1 overall on your draft board, if everyone else has him rated as low as he was, you're a freakin' moron if you take him with your #1 overall pick. That should have waited until at LEAST the 2nd round, if not the 3rd. With as loaded as this draft is, you could have still gotten two really good talents before Simpson.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm no scout and don't know anything. But I'm inclined to go on trust. I do think that Wilken has done pretty well over his career with his 1sts. And as it stands, I am inclined to project Colvin to become a successful one. Obviously Vitters, it's hard to envision that turning into a success. And Jackson certainly looks like he won't be much good, but he was next to the sandwich round, and maybe in time he'll become OK, too.

 

Several comments:

1. Teams are under no obligation to talk up sleeper guys. If a guy is a famous top-tier candidate, why not speak your mind? It's not like nobody has heard about sales or Whitson. But for a guy like this, maybe not? If I think a sleeper is a first round talent, but I'm not sure everybody else agrees, I might be a little less forthcoming to BA and give a little more emphasis on the "but" negatives.

 

2. BA lists aren't always real current. And I would think especially for an obscure prospect. So I don't think the fact that BA wasn't on him, and perhaps scouts weren't that open about how interested they might be, means that at this point he was really going to last to 191 or 121 or 68.

 

3. It takes one team to take a guy that you wanted.

 

4. Teams need to go by their own draft boards. Going by BA or mocks, that isn't reliable. If you think he's BPA, I don't think it's wise to trust Keith Law and Jim Callis to ensure that none of the other 30 teams will see the value that you do and pick him somewhere among the next 50 picks. I think it's almost always the best policy to pick your BPA.

 

5. The proof will be in the future. But Wilken needs to go with his own draft board. If he's vindicated, he's vindicated. If he's not, then of course he'll be subject to the criticism. But I don't think it's that complicated. You've just got to go with your BPA, and not get too cute guessing what other people are going to do.

 

Agree, very good post. I laugh at the outrage though. 90% of the people in here had no idea who the vast majority of these guys were until they popped in this thread. Only a handful of people here have seen any of these guys play enough to have any kind of evaluation. Statistically it's tough to take much from a good portion of the talent base.

 

It's a process that is extremely subjective and reliant on scouting. Add on to that the volatile percentage of 1st round picks to even stick and have an impact in the majors and it's hard for me to get wound up about it. Certainly Perfect Game (whom I've worked with), BA, and all of the scouting services have a value and are a great resource. But Wilkin has a good enough track record that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he feels that strongly about a guy, take him.

[imb]

With as loaded as this draft is, you could have still gotten two really good talents before Simpson.

 

uhhhhh, i dont really picture this draft as "loaded"

[illiniguy]

With as loaded as this draft is, you could have still gotten two really good talents before Simpson.

 

uhhhhh, i dont really picture this draft as "loaded"

It's not. All the experts I've heard have said the opposite in fact.

[hawkeyecub]

I think it's great that Wilken isn't afraid of what anyone else thinks when he makes his picks. I think it's baffling that he doesn't use that to his advantage.

 

It's great that he doesn't care what anyone else thinks. That's a great strength. However, even if for some reason this joker was #1 overall on your draft board, if everyone else has him rated as low as he was, you're a freakin' moron if you take him with your #1 overall pick. That should have waited until at LEAST the 2nd round, if not the 3rd. With as loaded as this draft is, you could have still gotten two really good talents before Simpson.

 

You have no idea where everyone else had him rated. None. All it takes is one team to have him ranked in the next 49 picks and the top guy you had on your board at 16 is gone.

 

I must say I'm shocked that you would rant about this and call him "a freakin' moron". And why are you saying this draft was loaded? You have no idea.