Bulls Offseason Thread

[Banedon]

I'm doing the rounds responding to stuff from 10 pages ago now

 

Us not getting any of these superstars again is karma for how we treated Jordan and Pippen after '98.

 

Wait...why does there need to be karmic justice for this, it was clearly an "action reaction" that immediately after they left we were the worst team in the league for about 10 years

 

Um...we kinda already had those conversations. That's why it was 10 pages ago.

[Flames24Rulz]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

I still don't think it would've been that easy. The road in the East would've been much easier but you still have that certain team who is poised to win three in a row, looming in the West.

 

There's been this sort of fiction created since LA won the title that that was a great team. I don't think so.

 

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers would've obliterated that team and I think Ariza -> Artest was a decided downgrade. I really think it was one of the weaker champions of the decade.

 

That's nice.

 

Kobe still has a few great years left and the rest of their starting five is still really good (replacing Fisher with Odom). You'd be foolish to say that they're not the favorites, unless we're landing two of the big three FA's.

[C.C.]

This board is sometimes a great case study in strangely paranoid and neurotic Chicago Fans.

 

There is absolutely no way, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, the Bulls whiff on ALL free agents, but thats not necessarily a good thing. They will sign somebody, a David Lee or a Boozer GUARANTEED, the team is too good, they have too much free money, the CBA is coming to an end, its just going to happen. If they were a Knicks or Nets quality team they might whiff, considering how awful the franchise had been the last decade, but they are going to get someone.

 

The only thing left to worry is if they get someone either A: Worth the contract (A Bosh or Wade or Lebron at max) or B: A good roleplayer at less than a max. If they mix A and B together (do something disastrous like give a 29 year old, injury prone Boozer a max contract) it could be bad OR THE CBA COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. Thats why all these crazy contracts are happening anyway (Joe Johnson in Atlanta)

 

Them only signing a David Lee or a Boozer is our fear.

 

 

Posts like these dazzle me:

 

I really don't think we have much of a shot with Wade, even with the custody battle. I can't see him leaving 30 mill on the table to play at home, especially with the divorce situation. Hell, he can spin it and say it's BETTER for his kids if he STAYS in Miami, because of the extra money involved.

 

This, in turn, probably means we don't have much of a shot with Bosh either, unless Lebron actually decides to play here. And even then, I'm not sure we can get Bosh from Toronto without giving up Noah.

 

My guesses on where these guys wind up are as follows and I really hope I'm completely wrong, but I think all these guys will wind up going for the absolute most money they can possibly get, in the end......

 

Lebron-Cleveland

Wade- Miami

Bosh- Houston

Boozer- Miami

Lee- San Antonio(sign and trade for Parker)

 

I'm praying we don't get shut out of this mess and I am certainly a pessimist, but I think this is a very real possibility......

 

Well, it could happen???

[SouthSideRyan]

I agree, the age limit rule sucks.

 

Also, way more than 90% of colleges have nothing to gain by gaming the NCAA system because they're not attracting pro quality talent to begin with.

 

If you think 90% of big time college programs are following NCAA rules I think you're being pretty naive.

 

I'll freely admit I have no real evidence to back that up but I think I'm right.

 

I'd agree with you on the % of colleges following NCAA rules, but as far as using players who should be ineligible, I don't know 80-85% maybe?

[BigSlick]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

I still don't think it would've been that easy. The road in the East would've been much easier but you still have that certain team who is poised to win three in a row, looming in the West.

 

There's been this sort of fiction created since LA won the title that that was a great team. I don't think so.

 

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers would've obliterated that team and I think Ariza -> Artest was a decided downgrade. I really think it was one of the weaker champions of the decade.

 

That's nice.

 

Kobe still has a few great years left and the rest of their starting five is still really good (replacing Fisher with Odom). You'd be foolish to say that they're not the favorites, unless we're landing two of the big three FA's.

Despite their playoff debacle I still want to say the Magic were a really [expletive] good team that could have unseated the Lakers last year, but they really fell apart against a very old Celtics team. I don't know.

[BigSlick]

This board is sometimes a great case study in strangely paranoid and neurotic Chicago Fans.

 

There is absolutely no way, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, the Bulls whiff on ALL free agents, but thats not necessarily a good thing. They will sign somebody, a David Lee or a Boozer GUARANTEED, the team is too good, they have too much free money, the CBA is coming to an end, its just going to happen. If they were a Knicks or Nets quality team they might whiff, considering how awful the franchise had been the last decade, but they are going to get someone.

 

The only thing left to worry is if they get someone either A: Worth the contract (A Bosh or Wade or Lebron at max) or B: A good roleplayer at less than a max. If they mix A and B together (do something disastrous like give a 29 year old, injury prone Boozer a max contract) it could be bad OR THE CBA COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. Thats why all these crazy contracts are happening anyway (Joe Johnson in Atlanta)

 

Them only signing a David Lee or a Boozer is our fear.

 

 

Posts like these dazzle me:

 

I really don't think we have much of a shot with Wade, even with the custody battle. I can't see him leaving 30 mill on the table to play at home, especially with the divorce situation. Hell, he can spin it and say it's BETTER for his kids if he STAYS in Miami, because of the extra money involved.

 

This, in turn, probably means we don't have much of a shot with Bosh either, unless Lebron actually decides to play here. And even then, I'm not sure we can get Bosh from Toronto without giving up Noah.

 

My guesses on where these guys wind up are as follows and I really hope I'm completely wrong, but I think all these guys will wind up going for the absolute most money they can possibly get, in the end......

 

Lebron-Cleveland

Wade- Miami

Bosh- Houston

Boozer- Miami

Lee- San Antonio(sign and trade for Parker)

 

I'm praying we don't get shut out of this mess and I am certainly a pessimist, but I think this is a very real possibility......

 

Well, it could happen???

Not it can't.

 

I'll mail you my pinkie toe with glitter nailpolish if we don't get one of those guys

[SpongeWorthy]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

I still don't think it would've been that easy. The road in the East would've been much easier but you still have that certain team who is poised to win three in a row, looming in the West.

 

There's been this sort of fiction created since LA won the title that that was a great team. I don't think so.

 

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers would've obliterated that team and I think Ariza -> Artest was a decided downgrade. I really think it was one of the weaker champions of the decade.

 

That's nice.

 

Kobe still has a few great years left and the rest of their starting five is still really good (replacing Fisher with Odom). You'd be foolish to say that they're not the favorites, unless we're landing two of the big three FA's.

 

Favorites, sure. Not overwhelming favorites though. They have little bench, Artest isn't very good, Bynum is always a question mark. They're a match up nightmare for a lot of teams because of their size.

 

Kobe's great but defenses are not awake at night afraid of him like they are of Lebron. They're afraid of being owned in the paint.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

Who is slinking? Basketball sucks and I'm only watching if the Bulls are a superteam.

[BigSlick]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

Who is slinking? Basketball sucks and I'm only watching if the Bulls are a superteam.

Watch this and admit to me you didn't smile or laugh

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmiiR4hjPY

 

basketball owns if only for Stacey King

[C.C.]

This board is sometimes a great case study in strangely paranoid and neurotic Chicago Fans.

 

There is absolutely no way, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, the Bulls whiff on ALL free agents, but thats not necessarily a good thing. They will sign somebody, a David Lee or a Boozer GUARANTEED, the team is too good, they have too much free money, the CBA is coming to an end, its just going to happen. If they were a Knicks or Nets quality team they might whiff, considering how awful the franchise had been the last decade, but they are going to get someone.

 

The only thing left to worry is if they get someone either A: Worth the contract (A Bosh or Wade or Lebron at max) or B: A good roleplayer at less than a max. If they mix A and B together (do something disastrous like give a 29 year old, injury prone Boozer a max contract) it could be bad OR THE CBA COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. Thats why all these crazy contracts are happening anyway (Joe Johnson in Atlanta)

 

Them only signing a David Lee or a Boozer is our fear.

 

 

Posts like these dazzle me:

 

I really don't think we have much of a shot with Wade, even with the custody battle. I can't see him leaving 30 mill on the table to play at home, especially with the divorce situation. Hell, he can spin it and say it's BETTER for his kids if he STAYS in Miami, because of the extra money involved.

 

This, in turn, probably means we don't have much of a shot with Bosh either, unless Lebron actually decides to play here. And even then, I'm not sure we can get Bosh from Toronto without giving up Noah.

 

My guesses on where these guys wind up are as follows and I really hope I'm completely wrong, but I think all these guys will wind up going for the absolute most money they can possibly get, in the end......

 

Lebron-Cleveland

Wade- Miami

Bosh- Houston

Boozer- Miami

Lee- San Antonio(sign and trade for Parker)

 

I'm praying we don't get shut out of this mess and I am certainly a pessimist, but I think this is a very real possibility......

 

Well, it could happen???

Not it can't.

 

I'll mail you my pinkie toe with glitter nailpolish if we don't get one of those guys

 

Give that toe a French manicure and we'll call it a deal.

[Flames24Rulz]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

I still don't think it would've been that easy. The road in the East would've been much easier but you still have that certain team who is poised to win three in a row, looming in the West.

 

There's been this sort of fiction created since LA won the title that that was a great team. I don't think so.

 

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers would've obliterated that team and I think Ariza -> Artest was a decided downgrade. I really think it was one of the weaker champions of the decade.

 

That's nice.

 

Kobe still has a few great years left and the rest of their starting five is still really good (replacing Fisher with Odom). You'd be foolish to say that they're not the favorites, unless we're landing two of the big three FA's.

 

Favorites, sure. Not overwhelming favorites though. They have little bench, Artest isn't very good, Bynum is always a question mark. They're a match up nightmare for a lot of teams because of their size.

 

Kobe's great but defenses are not awake at night afraid of him like they are of Lebron. They're afraid of being owned in the paint.

 

I hate Kobe probably more than anybody else on here, but that last statement is ridiculous. Everybody saw what he did against the Suns. And he was having a really good series against Boston before Game 7. It doesn't matter how you defend the guy at the end of games; he's still going to drill shots.

 

Their bench blows but Steve Blake's a good pickup. We'll disagree about Artest and Ariza because I always thought Ariza had inflated numbers due to playing with Kobe. Artest is what he is - a very mediocre offensive player and a superior defender.

 

I don't see anybody beating the Lakers next year unless two of LeBron/Wade/Bosh join the Bulls.

[bukie]

Oh, Noah's an all-star caliber player now?

After Howard, who is an all-star caliber center? Lopez, Bogut, maybe Bynum would be better options than Noah? Does Duncan count as a center too?

 

I guess it depends on your definition of center. There aren't many guys who play traditional center anymore, but it's not like the all star teams have requirements that you have to play a certain % of minutes inside the paint to make the team. Lee, Howard, Horford, Bosh, and Garnett were the frontcourt players to make the team from the East last year. I don't see Noah as being on any of their levels (Even with Garnett's decrepitness)

On a level of efficiency, Noah trailed only Howard, Bosh, Lee and Bogut among all bigs in the East, and was basically even with Garnett (Noah led slightly). Granted, that doesn't really take much defense into account aside from rebounding, and the Knicks were built to be nothing if not statistically efficient at the cost of defense, but Noah is at least in the discussion after Howard and Bosh at this point. Whether he can stay healthy with the foot issues, though, is another problem all together.

[Banedon]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

Who is slinking? Basketball sucks and I'm only watching if the Bulls are a superteam.

Watch this and admit to me you didn't smile or laugh

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmiiR4hjPY

 

basketball owns if only for Stacey King

 

I wouldn't say basketball sucks, but I haven't been an NBA fan since the Jordan days, and what happens in free agency is going to largely determine the amount that I follow it from here on out. I understand the game and follow it casually, but I'll never be an uberfan without having an uberteam in Chicago.

 

That was a good clip though. :)

[Flames24Rulz]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

Who is slinking? Basketball sucks and I'm only watching if the Bulls are a superteam.

 

Basketball doesn't suck but it will if we end up with David Lee.

[SpongeWorthy]

You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.

 

I'll get you a toe by this afternoon--with nail polish.

[SpongeWorthy]

I hate Kobe probably more than anybody else on here, but that last statement is ridiculous. Everybody saw what he did against the Suns. And he was having a really good series against Boston before Game 7. It doesn't matter how you defend the guy at the end of games; he's still going to drill shots.

 

Their bench blows but Steve Blake's a good pickup. We'll disagree about Artest and Ariza because I always thought Ariza had inflated numbers due to playing with Kobe. Artest is what he is - a very mediocre offensive player and a superior defender.

 

I don't see anybody beating the Lakers next year unless two of LeBron/Wade/Bosh join the Bulls.

 

It's not ridiculous. The Celtics were generally content to play Kobe one on one with Allen & Allen. It worked, basically. Kobe had a nice series but he certainly didn't go off. Celtics lost the series on the inside and not being able to buy a basket in Game 7. That's it pretty much.

 

Lebron at this point in his career and with the talent surrounding him commands more attention than Bryant. He has to win isolation battles all of the time for them to have a chance against good teams. It's way harder for him.

[17 Seconds]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

yeah well have fun rooting for a really young good team and watching kevin durant play

 

[expletive]

[BigSlick]

You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.

 

I'll get you a toe by this afternoon--with nail polish.

Yes, pretty m uch what i was going for \:D/

[Guest]

hahaha all these phonies got all geared up to be bulls fans so they could root for an easy championship when lebron came on board. it's going to be fun to watch them slink away when it doesnt happen

 

I still don't think it would've been that easy. The road in the East would've been much easier but you still have that certain team who is poised to win three in a row, looming in the West.

 

There's been this sort of fiction created since LA won the title that that was a great team. I don't think so.

 

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers would've obliterated that team and I think Ariza -> Artest was a decided downgrade. I really think it was one of the weaker champions of the decade.

 

Ariza's value got a huge boost from the playoffs and that's the reason he got the contract he did. He averaged three points more per game in the playoffs because he was shooting 47.6% from three and hit one more per game than in the regular season.

 

Artest was better for the Lakers this year and maybe next year but Ariza would surely be better after that.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I wouldn't say basketball sucks, but I haven't been an NBA fan since the Jordan days, and what happens in free agency is going to largely determine the amount that I follow it from here on out. I understand the game and follow it casually, but I'll never be an uberfan without having an uberteam in Chicago.

I'm in the same boat. I will always follow the Bulls, but the amount of time I will dedicate to the team is directly linked to the outcome of this free agency period. If they strike out on the big 3 free agents, I will be relegated to occasional viewer status and won't tune in consistently until the playoffs. On the other hand, if LeBron or Wade end up here then the Bulls will likely become part of my nightly TV viewing.

[bukie]

Really, even if they don't get a big free agent, at least they're out from under all the terrible contracts they gave out in the recent past (except Deng). They have a solid young core and can build around it. They do need a superstar, and if Rose can make such a jump, play some defense and shoot better, they can build around that and build a championship team. They have enough money to bring in several solid players if they don't get a superstar, so then it would become about not overpaying for mediocrity yet again.

[wolf stansson]

Derrick Rose will never be the best player on a champion. That's a problem when the 5 or 6 players in the league are about to be or already have been locked up to long-term contracts for other teams.

[Soul]

I figured on the Lebron back to Cleveland thing awhile ago, so if that happens, it is not a surprise or a disaster for me.

 

But I never figured the Bulls would get completely shut out. If that does come to fruition, make no mistake: it's a catastrophe.

[Wilson A2000]

The Bulls have done everything they could have to get a big name guy. If all they are left with is Boozer, I really can't be angry at Bulls management.

 

The Raptors want Noah in a sign and trade. If Bosh wants to win, he will forget the sign and trade with Chicago and just take the regular max deal. He will weaken the team he is going to. Would Bosh get more per year if he worked out a sign and trade, or would he just get another year? If it is just another year, it's not like he isn't going to get another contract. He will get that money later. While the new CBA could lower his salary a bit in 5 years, it won't really be that much.

 

I don't know why it has taken so long for Cleveland to be interested in a sign and trade for Bosh. This was dangerously late in the process. But even if Bosh and LeBron go there, he can't win a championship with all the weapons they might have to give up. If LeBron and Bosh want to win, go to Miami with Wade or come to Chicago.

[Soul]

Yeah, I don't think with these players that they necessarily feel like they can't win unless they go to X team. Lebron's going to factor in all his personal feelings and loyalties, for example. Then he's going to tell himself he can win anywhere, including Cleveland, despite not having won before. Or he's going to convince himself that Cleveland will make it work -- even if it really won't.

 

It's not going to be 100% cool, logical calculation. There's going to be a whole host of emotions and even irrational belief thrown in the mix.