NBA PLAYOFF THREAD

[RedFlash]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

[imb]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

where do you take him

[Guest]

Phoenix is the only home team to lose Game 1.

[CubbieBum]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

[RedFlash]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

 

And you are under the impression that if the Bulls decided to keep LMA, then would have drafted one of the said players you mention. Considering Paxson's draft history, he would have passed on everybody on the list for a James Johnson type pick. The only reason why he didn't screw up the Rose pick, is because you couldn't screw it up. You had marketable young talent from the city, there ws no way the Bulls would not had pick Beasley, unless Michael was a legit 6'10.

 

There is no guarantee even with LMA the Bulls would have acquire another young player. And quite frankly, crying about a solid, but unspectular player like LMA (who has already reached his peak as a player) is pretty childish. Rose makes players better, LMA doesn't.

[Guest]

wow, that's one of the most epic fails in nsbb history

 

raisin, did you watch the game today? Russ is something to behold when he goes up against a PG that can't stay in front of him. No one on our team could slash to the paint - or even tried, really - but Russ would coast upcourt and then just flash through like a running back. I love it when he gets like that.

 

I only was able to watch the first quarter, which really sucked.

 

But I'm glad to see Russ got going after the first. He should have a monster series (as will every point guard that goes up against the Lakers; I'm not sure why Shannon Brown doesn't start for the Lakers).

[imb]

wow, that's one of the most epic fails in nsbb history

 

raisin, did you watch the game today? Russ is something to behold when he goes up against a PG that can't stay in front of him. No one on our team could slash to the paint - or even tried, really - but Russ would coast upcourt and then just flash through like a running back. I love it when he gets like that.

 

I only was able to watch the first quarter, which really sucked.

 

But I'm glad to see Russ got going after the first. He should have a monster series (as will every point guard that goes up against the Lakers; I'm not sure why Shannon Brown doesn't start for the Lakers).

 

hell, or even farmar. fisher is so washed up aside from his chance to hit an ill-advised 3 now and then

[mhuber92211]

I am Proud of the Blazers tonight. They played well without Roy and stole homecourt despite trying to give it back about 50 times down the stretch.

[SpongeWorthy]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

 

If your 2nd best player is Lamarcus Aldridge you're not contending for a championship. He's a nice piece but pretty replaceable.

 

Jump shooting power forwards who don't rebound or block shots are nothing special. I'd rather have Rose and nothing than Aldridge and a guy that isn't nearly is as good as Rose.

[illiniguy]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

 

If your 2nd best player is Lamarcus Aldridge you're not contending for a championship. He's a nice piece but pretty replaceable.

 

Jump shooting power forwards who don't rebound or block shots are nothing special. I'd rather have Rose and nothing than Aldridge and a guy that isn't nearly is as good as Rose.

This, Rose is better than LMA and all the guys he mentioned. Not to mention other good players might actually want to come play with Rose.

[CubbieBum]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

 

And you are under the impression that if the Bulls decided to keep LMA, then would have drafted one of the said players you mention. Considering Paxson's draft history, he would have passed on everybody on the list for a James Johnson type pick. The only reason why he didn't screw up the Rose pick, is because you couldn't screw it up. You had marketable young talent from the city, there ws no way the Bulls would not had pick Beasley, unless Michael was a legit 6'10.

 

I don't know. Paxson did draft LMA haha

 

In all seriousness Paxson is not a great drafter but he isn't horrible either. His trades are what kills him. His first round picks with the Bulls have been Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rodney Carney, Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose.

 

Out of those six four have panned out to be good players (LMA, Rose, Noah and Gordon). The only real miss was Carney and he was non-lottery pick. Hinrich certainly hasn't panned out as hoped but he has been a decent player for seven seasons now, especially on defense.

[Andy]

Paxson traded Carney for Thabo Sefolosha on draft day, then eventually flipped him for what turned out to be Taj Gibson. I'm no Pax fan but I'd say that worked out about as well as it could have (unless he'd drafted Blair, but you could say that about every team).

[SouthSideRyan]

It's a pretty big stretch to give Paxson credit for drafting Aldridge. Thomas was who he wanted, but he knew he can get something extra by taking Aldridge and dealing him for Thomas.

[mhuber92211]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

[CubbieBum]

Every time I see LaMarcus Aldridge in a Blazers uniform, I die a little inside.

 

Not me. If we had LMA, then I doubt the Bulls land Derrick Rose. And I take Rose over LMA every day.

 

That's pretty dumb. Sure I would rather have Rose than LMA but Rose wasn't part of the deal. You traded LMA, who was picked No. 2, for Tyrus Thomas, who was picked No. 4, and some foreign guy who never made to my knowledge.

 

That was the trade. If you have LMA you would be a lot better and while you likely wouldn't have Rose you would have some other draft pick in his place in addition to LMA. That could be Beasley, Love, Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, Gordon or some other player that is pretty good. I would take LMA + one of the guys mentioned over what you ended with which is Rose and a couple years of Tyrus sucking.

 

If your 2nd best player is Lamarcus Aldridge you're not contending for a championship. He's a nice piece but pretty replaceable.

 

Jump shooting power forwards who don't rebound or block shots are nothing special. I'd rather have Rose and nothing than Aldridge and a guy that isn't nearly is as good as Rose.

 

Dirk says hi.

 

Dirk obviously much better than LMA but he is a jump shooting PF. I realize you may be tempted to say Dirk rebounds and LMA doesn't but you would be wrong. LMA does rebound. He actually averaged more rebounds this season than Dirk did. Dirk has also never played with a great rebounding center so Dirk gets some extra rebounds. LMA has played with Przybilla who is one of the best rebounders (top 5 in rebounds per 48 in 2008-09 and 2007-08). If Przybilla could do anything else well he would be a great center. He sucks at everything else so he only gets 20-25 minutes a game but strictly speaking on rebounding he is one of the best.

[SpongeWorthy]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

[CubbieBum]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

 

Rose needs to learn how to shoot and not be a one-dimensional scorer before I put him in that category. Rose is a great driver but that is it for his scoring abilities. He can average 20 points a game, maybe more, with that but will never become a top player if he can't shoot better than 25% from 3-pt on less than one attempt per game. He's atrocious at shooting from out. He may be the worst 3-pt shooting PG in the league which will always limit his game and stop him from becoming truly great player.

[Guest]

Not to be racist but Garnett is a textbook [expletive]

Just for the record for anyone paying attention...

 

This is the fastest way to get permanently banned from NSBB.

[Exile on Waveland]

I just assumed he said "thug" -- which would have fit with the preface. If he said the other thing, well, sheesh. Not sure why he thought the preface would help at all (not that it really ever would/could).

[Guest]

I just assumed he said "thug" -- which would have fit with the preface. If he said the other thing, well, sheesh. Not sure why he thought the preface would help at all (not that it really ever would/could).

He said the other.

 

And I'm pretty sure that the majority of people who have started out their post with "not to be racist, but..." have ended up banned.

[SpongeWorthy]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

 

Rose needs to learn how to shoot and not be a one-dimensional scorer before I put him in that category. Rose is a great driver but that is it for his scoring abilities. He can average 20 points a game, maybe more, with that but will never become a top player if he can't shoot better than 25% from 3-pt on less than one attempt per game. He's atrocious at shooting from out. He may be the worst 3-pt shooting PG in the league which will always limit his game and stop him from becoming truly great player.

 

Most great point guards are not great 3 point shooters. Steve Nash is a rarity in that regard. And Rose is a very good shooter from 15-20. In fact he's one of the best midrange shooters in the game.

 

Rajon Rondo is an example of a guy with a broken jumper. Rose isn't in that category--not even close. A 3 point dimension would open up the rest of his floor game, no doubt but he doesn't need to become a 40% guy. Anything close to 35% on decent volume would be gravy.

 

If you think Rose only gets his points on drives you haven't seen him play much.

[illiniguy]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

 

Rose needs to learn how to shoot and not be a one-dimensional scorer before I put him in that category. Rose is a great driver but that is it for his scoring abilities. He can average 20 points a game, maybe more, with that but will never become a top player if he can't shoot better than 25% from 3-pt on less than one attempt per game. He's atrocious at shooting from out. He may be the worst 3-pt shooting PG in the league which will always limit his game and stop him from becoming truly great player.

Earlier you said that Aaron Brooks was a stud. For fun,

 

Rose .483 from the field 6.2 assists 3.8 rebounds for his career

Brooks .421 from the field 3.6 assists 2.0 rebounds for his career

 

 

Do you understand how basketball works?

[CubbieBum]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

 

Rose needs to learn how to shoot and not be a one-dimensional scorer before I put him in that category. Rose is a great driver but that is it for his scoring abilities. He can average 20 points a game, maybe more, with that but will never become a top player if he can't shoot better than 25% from 3-pt on less than one attempt per game. He's atrocious at shooting from out. He may be the worst 3-pt shooting PG in the league which will always limit his game and stop him from becoming truly great player.

Earlier you said that Aaron Brooks was a stud. For fun,

 

Rose .483 from the field 6.2 assists 3.8 rebounds for his career

Brooks .421 from the field 3.6 assists 2.0 rebounds for his career

 

 

Do you understand how basketball works?

 

Yep that is realistic. Use a guys career stats when he has only started for one season. Seems far to me.

 

Rose 2009-10: 20.8 points, 6 assists, 3.8 rebounds, .489 FG% on 1373 FGA (.495 Adjusted FG%), .267 3PT% on 60 3PA, .766 FT% on 338 FTA, 36.8 minutes

 

Brooks 2009-10: 19.6 points, 5.3 assists, 2.6 rebounds, .432 FG% on 1331 FGA (.511 Adjusted FG%), .398 3PT% on 525 3PA, .822 FT% on 298 FTA, 35.6 minutes

 

 

Everyone, including me, would take Rose but it is not a large gap. Brooks is one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league (No. 1 in attempts and makes this year) and drives well because no one can stay with him but lacks a good jumper. Rose has a good jumper and drives well because he has good quickness and size for his position. If I'm not mistaken both are also helped in driving by having ridiculous verticals.

[illiniguy]

If you think Aldridge is only a jump shooting PF you are sorely underestimating him

 

Not really. He shoots an OK percentage, doesn't get to the free throw line at a particularly high rate, is a below average rebounder, and doesn't block shots. A nice piece, but just a solid #2 or #3 on a good team.

 

It's much easier to find Lamarcus Aldridge and a good (not great) young guard than one great player you can build a contender around.

 

Rose needs to learn how to shoot and not be a one-dimensional scorer before I put him in that category. Rose is a great driver but that is it for his scoring abilities. He can average 20 points a game, maybe more, with that but will never become a top player if he can't shoot better than 25% from 3-pt on less than one attempt per game. He's atrocious at shooting from out. He may be the worst 3-pt shooting PG in the league which will always limit his game and stop him from becoming truly great player.

Earlier you said that Aaron Brooks was a stud. For fun,

 

Rose .483 from the field 6.2 assists 3.8 rebounds for his career

Brooks .421 from the field 3.6 assists 2.0 rebounds for his career

 

 

Do you understand how basketball works?

 

Yep that is realistic. Use a guys career stats when he has only started for one season. Seems far to me.

 

Rose 2009-10: 20.8 points, 6 assists, 3.8 rebounds, .489 FG% on 1373 FGA (.495 Adjusted FG%), .267 3PT% on 60 3PA, .766 FT% on 338 FTA, 36.8 minutes

 

Brooks 2009-10: 19.6 points, 5.3 assists, 2.6 rebounds, .432 FG% on 1331 FGA (.511 Adjusted FG%), .398 3PT% on 525 3PA, .822 FT% on 298 FTA, 35.6 minutes

 

 

Everyone, including me, would take Rose but it is not a large gap. Brooks is one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league (No. 1 in attempts and makes this year) and drives well because no one can stay with him but lacks a good jumper. Rose has a good jumper and drives well because he has good quickness and size for his position. If I'm not mistaken both are also helped in driving by having ridiculous verticals.

Oh my bad, Rose was good enough to start from day one. I just assumed Brooks was as well. Also it's such a wide gap if Houston called and offered Aaron Brooks for Rose Paxson would luagh and then hang up. If the roles were reversed Houston's GM would drive Aaron to the airport. Rose is a stud and you tried to limit his ability becuase he can't shoot threes. Neither could Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan. They ended up alright.

[CubbieBum]

Earlier you said that Aaron Brooks was a stud. For fun,

 

Rose .483 from the field 6.2 assists 3.8 rebounds for his career

Brooks .421 from the field 3.6 assists 2.0 rebounds for his career

 

 

Do you understand how basketball works?

 

Yep that is realistic. Use a guys career stats when he has only started for one season. Seems far to me.

 

Rose 2009-10: 20.8 points, 6 assists, 3.8 rebounds, .489 FG% on 1373 FGA (.495 Adjusted FG%), .267 3PT% on 60 3PA, .766 FT% on 338 FTA, 36.8 minutes

 

Brooks 2009-10: 19.6 points, 5.3 assists, 2.6 rebounds, .432 FG% on 1331 FGA (.511 Adjusted FG%), .398 3PT% on 525 3PA, .822 FT% on 298 FTA, 35.6 minutes

 

 

Everyone, including me, would take Rose but it is not a large gap. Brooks is one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league (No. 1 in attempts and makes this year) and drives well because no one can stay with him but lacks a good jumper. Rose has a good jumper and drives well because he has good quickness and size for his position. If I'm not mistaken both are also helped in driving by having ridiculous verticals.

Oh my bad, Rose was good enough to start from day one. I just assumed Brooks was as well. Also it's such a wide gap if Houston called and offered Aaron Brooks for Rose Paxson would luagh and then hang up. If the roles were reversed Houston's GM would drive Aaron to the airport. Rose is a stud and you tried to limit his ability becuase he can't shoot threes. Neither could Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan. They ended up alright.

 

Like I said Rose is better so of course every team would rather have him. Rose has also likely not yet hit his peak while Brooks likely has. That is the biggest reason why everyone would jump at the chance to trade Brooks for Rose.

 

Anyways Jordan wasn't a PG and Magic's game is different than any other PG's in history because he was so big and capable of playing C in short stints which he did rarely in his career but still did. They were also both more than 6% better than Rose on career 3P%.

 

Oh and excuse the Rockets for not wanting to switch PG's when they were winning 50+ games every year. Plus some guys take a year or two to breakout. That has no bearing whatsoever on how good they are presently compared to someone who was good enough to start right away. I'm not surprised you try to use it though.

Edited April 19, 2010 by CubbieBum