College Basketball 2010-11

[hawkeyecub]

iowa state has lost SIX games in which they led with a minute or less to go. that is hard to do.

 

 

When you only have 7-8 scholarship players playing, it's not hard to fathom. How KSU won when ISU shot 50% from 3 and hit something like 15 more free throws than we even shot is more amazing.

 

The answer to everything mentioned above is a team hiring a guy who has never coached youth basketball to run their program.

 

But hey, he has NBA GM's on speed dial!!!

[CubColtPacer]

Sooner or later, IU fans are going to turn on Crean.

 

Why?

 

I'd like more wins as much as anyone right now, but I'm willing to give the guy some time. Like I said earlier, this team needs to start showing more progress next year. Hopefully another year of experience, health (hopefully), and adding a good post player will do that.

 

You can't ask for much more in what is lined up for 2012 and beyond. If IU is still playing this in two years I'll be concerned. I think the worst is behind them at this point.

 

So if he misses the tournament next year he's not in any danger?

 

And risk losing the great 2012 class? Not likely at all. Two years from now is when Crean is going to have to have a very good team. It could happen if there is a losing season combined with some sort of scandal, but that's about it.

[Exile on Waveland]

Sooner or later, IU fans are going to turn on Crean.

 

Why?

 

I'd like more wins as much as anyone right now, but I'm willing to give the guy some time. Like I said earlier, this team needs to start showing more progress next year. Hopefully another year of experience, health (hopefully), and adding a good post player will do that.

 

You can't ask for much more in what is lined up for 2012 and beyond. If IU is still playing this in two years I'll be concerned. I think the worst is behind them at this point.

 

So if he misses the tournament next year he's not in any danger?

 

Not even remotely. Which is good, because he's going to miss the tournament next year. That will be the last time in a long while though.

[Exile on Waveland]

wah wah wah

 

=D>

I just think he's kind of a clown and isn't really much of a threat at IU.

 

You're right, he's not much of a threat. It's not like he's got multiple 5-star recruits lined up in the coming years. No way they'll be good.

 

 

(You are actually right, not in a facetious manner, about the clown part.)

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I'm not sure what type of expectations IU fans have over the next couple years, but I do think IU will get back. Crean's done a great job recruiting. I'm just not sure its going to be as quick as you all think. See exhibit A in Illinois, but I think a lot of that has to do with Weber. Anyways, my point is that Freshman will be Freshman, and you aren't bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Erik Bledsoe. Once the 2012 class gets some experience under their belt the sky should be the limit though.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm not sure what type of expectations IU fans have over the next couple years, but I do think IU will get back. Crean's done a great job recruiting. I'm just not sure its going to be as quick as you all think. See exhibit A in Illinois, but I think a lot of that has to do with Weber. Anyways, my point is that Freshman will be Freshman, and you aren't bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Erik Bledsoe. Once the 2012 class gets some experience under their belt the sky should be the limit though.

 

I hate to presume to speak for all IU fans . . . but I'll do it anyway. Something like 18 wins and the NIT next year (Zeller isn't an "instant impact" player like Wall/Cousins, but he almost certainly will still help a lot). Two years from now the team should actually be pretty good. Not Final Four good, but NCAA Tournament good. (And man would I figuratively kill to see IU in a tournament game again.) After that, when the 2012 class gains experience and future classes are added to it, the program has a chance to be very, very good.

[rawaction]

I'm not sure what type of expectations IU fans have over the next couple years, but I do think IU will get back. Crean's done a great job recruiting. I'm just not sure its going to be as quick as you all think. See exhibit A in Illinois, but I think a lot of that has to do with Weber. Anyways, my point is that Freshman will be Freshman, and you aren't bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Erik Bledsoe. Once the 2012 class gets some experience under their belt the sky should be the limit though.

 

Not having Cousins, Wall, and Bledsoe type players could be a positive (in a roundabout way). I don't see Crean as a coach that can get guys to come together and play championship basketball in 1 summer of practices, no matter how good the talent. But IU is bringing in some really good players, who will conceivably be more than just 1 and done players. Meaning, they will have time to play and practice together and maybe he can get guys to stay in school ala Michigan St, Purdue, and Duke ....with hopefully fewer injuries/suspensions in the first 2 cases....and you can get a couple of JR and SR classes staying together for 3 years and add 1 impact freshman to put them in contention.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I'm just speaking from a perspective where my expectations for Illinois this season were clearly out of line. I wasn't expecting Richmond to come in and dominate, but at the same time, I thought Illinois would be much improved. The Hulls/Watford/Elston class is similar in talent level to the McCamey/Cole/Davis/Tisdale garbage, and I think a lot of your success in 2012 will be based on your seniors and not Parrea and Ferrel, but I also don't think people will be picking you for the sweet sixteen or in some cases the national title game. Isn't this supposedly the best Zeller?

 

With that said I'm starting to grow more weary of the Weber regime with each passing day. We aren't impressing any of the 2013 kids right now, IU is on its way back up, Wisconsin is going nowhere, and MSU is due for a rebound. Meanwhile, Matta has assembled a juggernaut in Columbus, and I think at this point its time to admit that Purdue is running a better program than Illinois. It looks like Minnesota and Illinois are going to being duking it out for 6/7 in the conference for years to come. Feel the excitement.

[Derwood]

Holy [expletive], PSU's SOS is 4th in the nation

[Sosa21MVP]

wah wah wah

 

=D>

 

We won so there's not a bit of crying. I'm happy.

 

I like Hulls, liked Watford, Oladipo is decent and I like that Rivers is willing to not shoot and only do what helps his team win. The rest of it is a squad of goons led by a cheerleader who really doesn't coach. I really don't have anything against Clappy, I wanted him when he spoke to Iowa after Alford left. He gets his guys to play hard and now he's recruiting well (smart enough to hire Drew Adams and get his dad in play). I had a couple beers with Buckley when he was at Iowa and he's an absolutely great guy. I just think he's kind of a clown and isn't really much of a threat at IU.

 

I haven't been impressed with Crean's actual coaching very much yet. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is going to get more out of less. So my hope is once he has a roster loaded with talent (2012 and beyond) that his coaching will look better.

[Sosa21MVP]

Sooner or later, IU fans are going to turn on Crean.

 

Why?

 

I'd like more wins as much as anyone right now, but I'm willing to give the guy some time. Like I said earlier, this team needs to start showing more progress next year. Hopefully another year of experience, health (hopefully), and adding a good post player will do that.

 

You can't ask for much more in what is lined up for 2012 and beyond. If IU is still playing this in two years I'll be concerned. I think the worst is behind them at this point.

 

So if he misses the tournament next year he's not in any danger?

 

No [expletive] way he would be in danger. His 2012 recruiting class alone will buy him more time.

[Sosa21MVP]

I'm not sure what type of expectations IU fans have over the next couple years, but I do think IU will get back. Crean's done a great job recruiting. I'm just not sure its going to be as quick as you all think. See exhibit A in Illinois, but I think a lot of that has to do with Weber. Anyways, my point is that Freshman will be Freshman, and you aren't bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Erik Bledsoe. Once the 2012 class gets some experience under their belt the sky should be the limit though.

 

Yeah I have a feeling people's expectations for those 2012 kids will be overinflated for their freshman year. But the good thing is by then we should at least have three pretty solid senior leaders in place (Watford, Creek, Hulls) plus Zeller with a year under his belt so it isn't like those 2012 kids will have to be the Fab Five right off the bat. And trust me I don't expect them to be the Fab Five or to be Walls/Cousins/Bledsoe-esque.

[Derwood]

Terrible home loss for Penn State, especially after leading most of the game. Can't lose games like this when you're on the bubble...

[Smack]

Let's go Minny. Take down these chumps.

[rawaction]

I'm not sure what type of expectations IU fans have over the next couple years, but I do think IU will get back. Crean's done a great job recruiting. I'm just not sure its going to be as quick as you all think. See exhibit A in Illinois, but I think a lot of that has to do with Weber. Anyways, my point is that Freshman will be Freshman, and you aren't bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Erik Bledsoe. Once the 2012 class gets some experience under their belt the sky should be the limit though.

 

Yeah I have a feeling people's expectations for those 2012 kids will be overinflated for their freshman year. But the good thing is by then we should at least have three pretty solid senior leaders in place (Watford, Creek, Hulls) plus Zeller with a year under his belt so it isn't like those 2012 kids will have to be the Fab Five right off the bat. And trust me I don't expect them to be the Fab Five or to be Walls/Cousins/Bledsoe-esque.

 

I don't think you can count on Creek for anything. Dude broke both kneecaps in a year. He was a shadow of his former self with the 1st injury. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he contributes in any way for the rest of his career.

[Smack]

Nevermind, I forgot that OSU gets reverse home court advantage in the Big Ten.

[Smack]

Jesus. Sparty.

[Smack]

Sullinger just got [expletive] owned by Iverson.

[Guest]

KU has actually looked pretty good its last few games. Nebraska is a very good defensive team, and we obliterated them today on the road.

 

Right now I am thinking both Texas and Kansas will be getting #1 seeds based on the remaining schedules.

 

if we play again in the Big 12 championship and we lose, i doubt we'll get a 1.

 

You don't think a 2- or 3-loss Kansas team gets a No. 1 seed? Right now the only other major conference teams with three or fewer losses are OSU (23-0), Duke (21-2), Pittsburgh (21-2) and Texas (20-3). It seems like it would be hard to pass Kansas up, especially if they finish with two losses and both are to Texas, who I'd assume would remain a top-5 team.

[snoodmonger]

KU has actually looked pretty good its last few games. Nebraska is a very good defensive team, and we obliterated them today on the road.

 

Right now I am thinking both Texas and Kansas will be getting #1 seeds based on the remaining schedules.

 

if we play again in the Big 12 championship and we lose, i doubt we'll get a 1.

 

You don't think a 2- or 3-loss Kansas team gets a No. 1 seed? Right now the only other major conference teams with three or fewer losses are OSU (23-0), Duke (21-2), Pittsburgh (21-2) and Texas (20-3). It seems like it would be hard to pass Kansas up, especially if they finish with two losses and both are to Texas, who I'd assume would remain a top-5 team.

 

OSU probably has one locked up.

A second loss to Texas would give Texas one over KU (if they already don't have it over KU.)

 

That would leave KU to fight with Pitt, Duke, and UConn. I suppose a 2-loss KU's chances would depend in large part on what happens with Pitt and UConn. I don't think Duke will lose again.

 

Of course, it's also early too predict no more conference losses. We still have to play Texas A&M in Lawrence and Mizzou twice, including at the Paige Arena in Columbia.

Edited February 6, 2011 by snoodmonger

[Guest]

Yeah, it depends on what other teams do also. Pittsburgh is likely to lose another regular season game plus maybe a tourney game. UConn's got four losses already and are in the same boat as Pitt (plus, one of them has to lose in the Big East tourney) so I don't think they'll end up in the conversation unless they win out. I agree on Duke also which means they'd be a lock for a No. 1.

 

I think the fourth No. 1 comes down to KU or Pitt under the scenario of Texas beating KU in the Big 12 title game and it probably won't matter much because they other one would just end up being a No. 2 in the same region.

[Exile on Waveland]

I think Duke will lose again. Even if they don't, their best win will be North Carolina (seriously). I don't think they're a lock for a top-seed.

[Guest]

I think Duke will lose again. Even if they don't, their best win will be North Carolina (seriously). I don't think they're a lock for a top-seed.

 

The thought crossed my mind but at the same time, they're Duke, they'd be 32-2 and they're the defending national champs. There is no way the committee doesn't give Duke a 1-seed if they win out.

[Smack]

Sullinger is a flopping [expletive] piece of [expletive].

[illiniguy]

KU has actually looked pretty good its last few games. Nebraska is a very good defensive team, and we obliterated them today on the road.

 

Right now I am thinking both Texas and Kansas will be getting #1 seeds based on the remaining schedules.

 

if we play again in the Big 12 championship and we lose, i doubt we'll get a 1.

 

You don't think a 2- or 3-loss Kansas team gets a No. 1 seed? Right now the only other major conference teams with three or fewer losses are OSU (23-0), Duke (21-2), Pittsburgh (21-2) and Texas (20-3). It seems like it would be hard to pass Kansas up, especially if they finish with two losses and both are to Texas, who I'd assume would remain a top-5 team.

 

OSU probably has one locked up.

A second loss to Texas would give Texas one over KU (if they already don't have it over KU.)

 

That would leave KU to fight with Pitt, Duke, and UConn. I suppose a 2-loss KU's chances would depend in large part on what happens with Pitt and UConn. I don't think Duke will lose again.

 

Of course, it's also early too predict no more conference losses. We still have to play Texas A&M in Lawrence and Mizzou twice, including at the Paige Arena in Columbia.

Who cares, a one seed for Kansas doesn't mean that much.