Cards offer Holliday 16m/per for 8 years

[OleMissCub]

The Cardinals have intensified discussions with the lead representative for free agent Matt Holliday and on Monday "tweaked" a standing offer they hope will allow them to retain the left fielder for at least eight seasons.

 

General manager John Mozeliak and agent Scott Boras revisited the framework of the Cardinals' lengthy proposal first tendered last Wednesday. Though both parties refuse to discuss details, the deal is worth around $16 million a season, making it easily the most lucrative deal ever offered by the Cardinals.

 

not as bad as Soriano, but that's pretty bad if so.

[Andy]

Please oh please sign that deal Matt Holliday. That would make it a hell of a lot harder to lock up Pujols.

[CubbieBum]

Anyone else hope he turns it down simply because even though it's a bad deal in long term it makes them a lot better in short term?

[NonProfitCow]

Please oh please sign that deal Matt Holliday. That would make it a hell of a lot harder to lock up Pujols.

They're not stupid. Holliday's signing won't affect signing Pujols one bit.

[Cubswin11]

Please oh please sign that deal Matt Holliday. That would make it a hell of a lot harder to lock up Pujols.

They're not stupid. Holliday's signing won't affect signing Pujols one bit.

Yeah but it will be nice to know that they will have nearly $40 mil. a year committed to Holliday and Pujols for roughly the next decade once they resign Pujols.

[cubsfan26]

This would make the Cardinals alot better next season. But it's not a smart move for a middle market team like the Cardinals long term. Like it not but we can afford a few Soriano type contracts on the roster due to the market we play in and the money the team makes. Of course the problem now is we have about 8 guys making big money and thats too many. But for a team like the Cardinals it's gonna be hard for them going forward with 4 or more guys making big money.

[Magnetic Curses]

wow. well, i don't doubt that the cards will find money to be good despite this move.

[17 Seconds]

would probably hurt them in the long run, but this would make out 2010 hopes even smaller

[UMFan83]

Yeah definitely a horrific offseason as it pertains to the short term so far.

[Wheelimus]

Sadly I'm not worried at all about them being able to retain Pujols. The way he seems to love St. Louis I don't think he'll go anywhere. He'll either give the Cardinals a discount or help them out in some other way such as deferring. :x

[CubbieBum]

If anything this helps retain Pujols. Remember he said as long as he feels they are trying to compete he will stay. If they let Holliday go and they struggle or don't win the division Pujols may see that as not trying to compete.

[nolanwood]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

[Little Slide Rooter]

The fact remains, Pujols and Holiday are literally the same age, seperated by 1 day. This means if this happens, in 5 years time, the Cards are paying about 40 mil to 2 35 year olds, and between that time, guys like Carpenter, Wainwright, and maybe Rasmus will be up for big money as well. Is this really a wise decision for them for the not too distant future?

[CubbieBum]

The fact remains, Pujols and Holiday are literally the same age, seperated by 1 day. This means if this happens, in 5 years time, the Cards are paying about 40 mil to 2 35 year olds, and between that time, guys like Carpenter, Wainwright, and maybe Rasmus will be up for big money as well. Is this really a wise decision for them for the not too distant future?

 

If it gets them even one WS yes.

[C.C.]

I have a hard time believing this. I just don't see the Cards splurging like this.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

[nolanwood]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

 

Thank you so much for the clarification - I had no idea their postseason failure was a team effort. You see, living in St. Louis one would have assumed it was all Holliday's fault...

[sweetpeteman]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

 

 

 

Just like the Red Sox and Buckner.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

 

 

 

Just like the Red Sox and Buckner.

 

The Red Sox were moments away from securing a World Series victory. The Cardinals were close to tying the NLDS 1-1.

[MSG T]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

 

 

 

Just like the Red Sox and Buckner.

 

The Red Sox were moments away from securing a World Series victory. The Cardinals were close to tying the NLDS 1-1.

 

 

I hate to even mention the moment, but the ground ball through Durham's legs seems a more accurate description. Yeah he made an error at a critical moment, but there were many other things that added to the Cubs losing that series. Like Jim Frey not taking Sutcliffe out earlier or Steve F'in Garvey.

[sweetpeteman]

Wow - that's a lot of $$ to give a player who Buckner'd your way out of the playoffs...

 

Much like the 2008 Cubs, the Cards playoff epic fail was a team effort. Hollidays drop was just a memorable moment.

 

 

 

Just like the Red Sox and Buckner.

 

The Red Sox were moments away from securing a World Series victory. The Cardinals were close to tying the NLDS 1-1.

 

 

Thats not the point. The point is that both teams had issues in a playoff series that can be attached to one memorable moment involving a single player.

[Guest]

I'm not sure why anyone can compare this deal to Soriano. The Cardinals front office has been showing the Cubs front office how it's done for the last several years (even with different GM's). They have less to work with financially. They were basically handcuffed during the building of their new stadium, but that didn't stop them from being a better team than the Cubs during that time. They have locked up their true talented players and went out and got the guys they targeted.

 

Hendry just takes the money he's given and throws it whoever looks appealing at the moment. He could have easily skipped on Soriano, electing to use that money on a better player. Besides that, he gives catasrophic contracts to guys who really don't deserve it, like relievers and back up middle infielders.

 

The Cardinals have Pujols, Holliday (if he signs) and Carpenter as premium talented guys. The Cubs do not have a single premium talent. They have a few guys who might make an all star team this year or next, but most of the guys are just guys who make more money than their production dictates. The Cardinals held off on throwing money at last year's free agent contingent. They didn't see anyone worth giving up gold to get. Apparently they learned on Lohse. Hendry hasn't learned.

 

Every other good team in baseball has a premium talent player. The Cubs don't have one.

 

The Cardinals saw a wide open NL Central and decided that Matt Holliday was a guy who could propel their team ahead of every other team in that division. And I'd almost bet right now that when Pujols and Holliday are both 35, they won't both still be wearing Cardinal jerseys. Maybe Pujols, but Holliday could potentially be traded away, allowing the Cardinals to bring in new youth to stay competitive for years to come.

 

I hate the Cardinals and I hate that they are getting Holliday. This only fuels my "fire Hendry" desires. The Cubs offseason is "trade Milton Bradley for anyone with a pulse". The Cardinals offseason is "sign one of the best free agents of the offseason".

 

I happen to see something very wrong with that.

[Guest]

I assume you don't see Lee repeating his 2009 season.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd argue that if you consider Holliday a premium talent, then Aramis is as well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'd argue that if you consider Holliday a premium talent, then Aramis is as well.

 

Aramis is a premium talent.