NCAA Conference Realignment

[Guest]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

[Old Style]

Also, saw this earlier. Like all this stuff I don't know how true it is, but man I sure hope it is.

 

The latest information, which was relayed to PowerMizzou.com late last night is that the Aggies may have told the SEC they would like Missouri to be included in that league's expansion as well.

That very well could be true. 9 votes are needed to dissolve the conference so teams could leave without paying a $10MM fine. With NU and the 6 schools going to the Pac-10, we would need one more school to get to 9. This would be a way to ensure that.

[tadowdaddy]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

 

 

Would it be though? A new TV contract that pays as much as the other 2 conferences (SEC/Pac-10) and also allowing teams to persue their own tv networks doesn't sound like the conference being dead to me.

[TruffleShuffle]

For someone in Texas, you know a lot about the Cubs.

 

Awesome! I'll say that I lived my whole life in Kansas and know plenty of people connected with the Big 12 right now. Here's my "prediction" as to where this is heading.

 

The Big 12 was never as dead as others were sure that it was. They're really close to getting through this.

 

I know that negotiations are ongoing with the 10 schools to enter a new contract. As of this morning ALL 10 schools have signed a confidentiality agreement in hopes of preventing further leaks. Nobody will know anything further for certain until it's either announced that the conference is surviving, or is dead. Anything you hear from now on, from Chip, from ESPN (who is always a day or 2 behind), or from anyone is complete speculation. My money is on the 10 teams coming out of this united as a Big 12 (10). I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but my sources inside the Big 12 are telling me this.

 

the big xii can continue to exist, but the fact of the matter is that the teams going after some of the big xii leftovers are in much better position financially and can offer much better prospects for the future. why would texas and aTm and oklahoma want to stay in a conference when other conferences can offer millions more dollars each year?

[Guest]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

 

 

Would it be though? A new TV contract that pays as much as the other 2 conferences (SEC/Pac-10) and also allowing teams to persue their own tv networks doesn't sound like the conference being dead to me.

 

Well, there's rumors of such a TV contract, but odds are just as good that Beebe is just making things up. In that case it might make sense, but really the conference would lack the media clout to be sustainable, they'd have to change the rules to have a conference championship or lose that revenue too, etc. It would be a pretty awesome hoops conference though.

[tadowdaddy]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

 

 

Would it be though? A new TV contract that pays as much as the other 2 conferences (SEC/Pac-10) and also allowing teams to persue their own tv networks doesn't sound like the conference being dead to me.

 

Well, there's rumors of such a TV contract, but odds are just as good that Beebe is just making things up. In that case it might make sense, but really the conference would lack the media clout to be sustainable, they'd have to change the rules to have a conference championship or lose that revenue too, etc. It would be a pretty awesome hoops conference though.

 

 

Come on now, Beebe just making it up? Fox was present at the Big 12 meetings just weeks ago proposing a 15-20 year 10 figure contract to ALL 12 schools.

[tadowdaddy]

For someone in Texas, you know a lot about the Cubs.

 

Awesome! I'll say that I lived my whole life in Kansas and know plenty of people connected with the Big 12 right now. Here's my "prediction" as to where this is heading.

 

The Big 12 was never as dead as others were sure that it was. They're really close to getting through this.

 

I know that negotiations are ongoing with the 10 schools to enter a new contract. As of this morning ALL 10 schools have signed a confidentiality agreement in hopes of preventing further leaks. Nobody will know anything further for certain until it's either announced that the conference is surviving, or is dead. Anything you hear from now on, from Chip, from ESPN (who is always a day or 2 behind), or from anyone is complete speculation. My money is on the 10 teams coming out of this united as a Big 12 (10). I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but my sources inside the Big 12 are telling me this.

 

the big xii can continue to exist, but the fact of the matter is that the teams going after some of the big xii leftovers are in much better position financially and can offer much better prospects for the future. why would texas and aTm and oklahoma want to stay in a conference when other conferences can offer millions more dollars each year?

 

If the proposed TV contract that was presented to all Big 12 Schools is as big as I"m told it is, the Big 12 TV revenue will be just as big as any other conference.

[Guest]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

 

 

Would it be though? A new TV contract that pays as much as the other 2 conferences (SEC/Pac-10) and also allowing teams to persue their own tv networks doesn't sound like the conference being dead to me.

 

Well, there's rumors of such a TV contract, but odds are just as good that Beebe is just making things up. In that case it might make sense, but really the conference would lack the media clout to be sustainable, they'd have to change the rules to have a conference championship or lose that revenue too, etc. It would be a pretty awesome hoops conference though.

 

 

Come on now, Beebe just making it up? Fox was present at the Big 12 meetings just weeks ago proposing a 15-20 year 10 figure contract to ALL 12 schools.

 

And since then the conference has lost one of it's top national draws and one of it's top media markets.

[Jon]

Big 12 AD confirms to NY Times that Texas is on cusp of committing to Big 12. He said, "The musical chairs will stop."

Texas committing doesn't mean a ton, though. It's up to A&M to stay. If they bolt, there's no conference to commit to.

[tadowdaddy]

Regardless of how they'd configure it, the Big 12 would still be dying, it'd just be a slower death.

 

 

Gabe at PowerMizzou saying that aTm told the SEC that they want Mizzou to come with them. That's awful nice of aTm I suppose.

 

 

Would it be though? A new TV contract that pays as much as the other 2 conferences (SEC/Pac-10) and also allowing teams to persue their own tv networks doesn't sound like the conference being dead to me.

 

Well, there's rumors of such a TV contract, but odds are just as good that Beebe is just making things up. In that case it might make sense, but really the conference would lack the media clout to be sustainable, they'd have to change the rules to have a conference championship or lose that revenue too, etc. It would be a pretty awesome hoops conference though.

 

 

Come on now, Beebe just making it up? Fox was present at the Big 12 meetings just weeks ago proposing a 15-20 year 10 figure contract to ALL 12 schools.

 

And since then the conference has lost one of it's top national draws and one of it's top media markets.

 

Colorado is not a loss at all. Those fans don't even support their school, let alone the conference. Denver is a great professional sports market, but a garbage market for college sports. Their athletic department is GARBAGE, as they've not thrown a competitive team out there in years in either basketball or football. Nebraska, population of just over 2 million does nothing in terms of a "market". Sure they have national recognition, but it's nothing like losing a aTm would do in terms of market. I'm guessing Beebe's estimate of the conference losing only 10% of it's value by losing those teams isn't far off. Taking 2 teams out of the revenue sharing can only increase revenue in terms of year by year payouts to the remaining 10 teams. Right now, KSU and KU are making less than 10 million dollars a year in TV revenue. What I've been told is that with the new TV contract, KSU, KU, ISU, Mizzou etc. have all agreed to give OU, UT, aTm, a bigger piece of the pie to stick around. They are sure making it worthwhile for the big dogs to stay. They're still going to be almost doubling their revenue with then new contract as opposed to what they get today.

[tadowdaddy]

Big 12 AD confirms to NY Times that Texas is on cusp of committing to Big 12. He said, "The musical chairs will stop."

Texas committing doesn't mean a ton, though. It's up to A&M to stay. If they bolt, there's no conference to commit to.

 

 

The 6-3 board of regents vote at aTm was to agree to the SEC over the Pac 10. It had nothing to do with staying in the Big 12. If you go back and read the quotes of all the AD's in the Big 12, you'll see one common thread. They've all committed to trying to save the Big 12. I'm hoping (and from what I've been told) that since they're now seeing the big picture in terms of revenue and being allowed to start their own broadcast networks, that the do believe they can stay in the conference and get what they wanted all along. Hoping the SEC talk may now be a moot point.

[snoodmonger]

At this point, assuming we can detach ourselves from the ball and chain that is KSU, I want nothing to do with the floating corpse that is the Big 12.

 

Let's be honest--the second Missouri gets another major conference offer, they're gonzo. And I wouldn't blame them. How could you expect any of the smaller schools (KU/MU/ISU/KSU) to stay?

 

Texas, atm, and tech (because of the coattails factor) will always be safe.

 

OU and OSU (same reason as tech) have nothing to worry about either. The moment the Big 12 crumbles, people will be lining up to accept those schools.

 

But the northern schools and Baylor have found out they're extremely vulnerable.

[TruffleShuffle]

For someone in Texas, you know a lot about the Cubs.

 

Awesome! I'll say that I lived my whole life in Kansas and know plenty of people connected with the Big 12 right now. Here's my "prediction" as to where this is heading.

 

The Big 12 was never as dead as others were sure that it was. They're really close to getting through this.

 

I know that negotiations are ongoing with the 10 schools to enter a new contract. As of this morning ALL 10 schools have signed a confidentiality agreement in hopes of preventing further leaks. Nobody will know anything further for certain until it's either announced that the conference is surviving, or is dead. Anything you hear from now on, from Chip, from ESPN (who is always a day or 2 behind), or from anyone is complete speculation. My money is on the 10 teams coming out of this united as a Big 12 (10). I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but my sources inside the Big 12 are telling me this.

 

the big xii can continue to exist, but the fact of the matter is that the teams going after some of the big xii leftovers are in much better position financially and can offer much better prospects for the future. why would texas and aTm and oklahoma want to stay in a conference when other conferences can offer millions more dollars each year?

 

If the proposed TV contract that was presented to all Big 12 Schools is as big as I"m told it is, the Big 12 TV revenue will be just as big as any other conference.

 

that's completely illogical. there are only two big powers in big xii football (OU, texas) and a large number of football teams that either stink or lack any sort of meaningful tradition. the population of the big xii states (texas, oklahoma, kansas, missouri, iowa) is 40 million, compared with nearly 59 million in the SEC (where there's also a lot more tradition and college football is basically a religion), 70 million in the big ten and 60 million in the pac 10. why on earth is a network going to pay as much for the big xii as those other conferences?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Old Style,

 

Which way is aTm leaning from what you are hearing?

In a week's time it went from probably 90% to Pac-10 to 60% to Pac-10 to we have the votes on the Board of Regents for the SEC. Now our insider says Don Beebe is making a huge push to keep the Big 12 afloat that is actually making everyone rethink their moves. Even still, I expect us to bolt to the SEC. If we don't, I will be pissed.

 

I'd love for the Big 12 to stay viable and actually think that is probably best for college football as a whole. But, if we're going to see the end of the Big 12 and the rise of the super-conference, I'd love to have aTm join the SEC. I think over time, they would make a nice rival for LSU.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm fine with these superconferences emerging and the mountain west and whatever teams end up in it becoming a bcs conference, so that teams like utah and boise st stop getting left out of the party when they're really good.

[snoodmonger]

Orange County Register says Pac 10 officials will offer the 16th spot to KU, not Utah.

 

I think Utah makes sense if they only expand to 12.

 

If they expand to 16, KU makes way more sense. Better school, more marketable national brand, closer to the schools in its division, a much larger AD budget.

 

Utah has the population advantage and a better football team, but they're hardly a football brand name.

 

 

That would make things interesting because my friend on the KBOR says that they will not let KU/KSU split should the conference dissolve. Who knows, but we'll see. Would definitely make things worse for KSU if it happened.

 

I don't think it's ultimately the BOR choice to make. I've also read reports from the BOR that the schools are not bound together. And if they do, they should all be fired.

 

You have one Tier 1 school with a national reputation that is was mandated by the state gov to become a top 50 school in the nation. Additionally, it's been invited by the NCI to apply for designation as a National Center Institute comprehensive cancer center, which would be ENORMOUS for the state as a whole.

 

Why would you handcuff it to a Tier 3 school and insist it get shuffled off to mediocrity, crippling the state's chance at having a top-rated university and all the money/benefits that come with having one?

 

The BOR needs to be loyal to its mission--higher education. If they knowingly drag both schools down, they would be doing the entire state a disservice.

[Foulacy]

For whoever said that no one was wanting OU

 

Mark Bradley

In this zero-sum game, Slive and the SEC need Oklahoma

 

The SEC could live without Texas. It couldn’t live as happily without Oklahoma. If both alight in the Pac-10, that would give the Left Coast League three schools that have won a BCS title. (Although Southern Cal’s grip on the 2004 championship is, owing to NCAA sanctions, slippery.) The SEC has four — Tennessee, Florida, LSU and Alabama — but the SEC prides itself on being twice as good as every other conference.

 

The SEC has also prided itself on being the first to act. (Its adoption of a football championship game in 1992 became the model.) This time the league appears to have been slow off the mark. But that can change with the right pitch to the right school.

 

For the SEC, Oklahoma would be that school. If the Sooners come South and the Longhorns follow, all the better. But Oklahoma alone would be enough to offset anything done by any other conference. The area code for Norman is 405. I’m guessing Mike Slive has it programmed in his BlackBerry, and I’m guessing he’s reaching for the Life Savers as we speak.

 

from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. I really hope we don't go to the SEC :beg:

Edited June 14, 2010 by Foulacy

[Jon]

Big 12 AD confirms to NY Times that Texas is on cusp of committing to Big 12. He said, "The musical chairs will stop."

Texas committing doesn't mean a ton, though. It's up to A&M to stay. If they bolt, there's no conference to commit to.

 

 

The 6-3 board of regents vote at aTm was to agree to the SEC over the Pac 10. It had nothing to do with staying in the Big 12. If you go back and read the quotes of all the AD's in the Big 12, you'll see one common thread. They've all committed to trying to save the Big 12. I'm hoping (and from what I've been told) that since they're now seeing the big picture in terms of revenue and being allowed to start their own broadcast networks, that the do believe they can stay in the conference and get what they wanted all along. Hoping the SEC talk may now be a moot point.

Which was just a way to protect themselves from the blame in case the conference did collapse. It's still a staring contest right now and it's up to A&M on what they want to do. Texas was never going to be the one to blink first, though if they do want to leave, they may have to be the first ones now.

[Guest]

For whoever said that no one was wanting OU

 

Mark Bradley

In this zero-sum game, Slive and the SEC need Oklahoma

 

The SEC could live without Texas. It couldn’t live as happily without Oklahoma. If both alight in the Pac-10, that would give the Left Coast League three schools that have won a BCS title. (Although Southern Cal’s grip on the 2004 championship is, owing to NCAA sanctions, slippery.) The SEC has four — Tennessee, Florida, LSU and Alabama — but the SEC prides itself on being twice as good as every other conference.

 

The SEC has also prided itself on being the first to act. (Its adoption of a football championship game in 1992 became the model.) This time the league appears to have been slow off the mark. But that can change with the right pitch to the right school.

 

For the SEC, Oklahoma would be that school. If the Sooners come South and the Longhorns follow, all the better. But Oklahoma alone would be enough to offset anything done by any other conference. The area code for Norman is 405. I’m guessing Mike Slive has it programmed in his BlackBerry, and I’m guessing he’s reaching for the Life Savers as we speak.

 

from the Atlanta Journal Constitution

 

So a columnist wrote that the SEC should look at OU? There's been stories like that about half the Big 12, it doesn't mean that there's conferences fighting over the school.

[Outshined_One]

i'm fine with these superconferences emerging and the mountain west and whatever teams end up in it becoming a bcs conference, so that teams like utah and boise st stop getting left out of the party when they're really good.

 

Plus, that would go a long way towards quieting all of the discontent over the BCS. Every year, someone from the MWC or from Boise State whines about not having a shot at a BCS bowl or the national championship because of the way the system is configured. With Boise State in the MWC and the MWC getting a hypothetical BCS bid, some of the pressure against the BCS would lessen substantially.

[dew1679666265]

I'd love to see the SEC pull off OU, Texas A&M, Va Tech and Virginia. I doubt it'd happen, but that would probably be best case (and semi-realistic) scenario.

[SouthSideRyan]

So like I said, I'm not super keen on stepping down in academic prestige and not change anything competitively and have my fan interest tested by legions of SEC crazies.

 

way down in academic prestige, way way down

 

Mississippi St. isn't even accredited.

[SouthSideRyan]

Texas A&M would help the SEC's academics a bit

 

So would my high school.

[tadowdaddy]

For someone in Texas, you know a lot about the Cubs.

 

Awesome! I'll say that I lived my whole life in Kansas and know plenty of people connected with the Big 12 right now. Here's my "prediction" as to where this is heading.

 

The Big 12 was never as dead as others were sure that it was. They're really close to getting through this.

 

I know that negotiations are ongoing with the 10 schools to enter a new contract. As of this morning ALL 10 schools have signed a confidentiality agreement in hopes of preventing further leaks. Nobody will know anything further for certain until it's either announced that the conference is surviving, or is dead. Anything you hear from now on, from Chip, from ESPN (who is always a day or 2 behind), or from anyone is complete speculation. My money is on the 10 teams coming out of this united as a Big 12 (10). I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but my sources inside the Big 12 are telling me this.

 

the big xii can continue to exist, but the fact of the matter is that the teams going after some of the big xii leftovers are in much better position financially and can offer much better prospects for the future. why would texas and aTm and oklahoma want to stay in a conference when other conferences can offer millions more dollars each year?

 

If the proposed TV contract that was presented to all Big 12 Schools is as big as I"m told it is, the Big 12 TV revenue will be just as big as any other conference.

 

that's completely illogical. there are only two big powers in big xii football (OU, texas) and a large number of football teams that either stink or lack any sort of meaningful tradition. the population of the big xii states (texas, oklahoma, kansas, missouri, iowa) is 40 million, compared with nearly 59 million in the SEC (where there's also a lot more tradition and college football is basically a religion), 70 million in the big ten and 60 million in the pac 10. why on earth is a network going to pay as much for the big xii as those other conferences?

 

 

I can't answer the "why" but I'm told that it's on the table.

 

To add to this, when you have a top 3 conference in every major sport (Better than the Pac 10 in both Football and Basketball in terms of conference ranks), I guess you pay for it.

Edited June 14, 2010 by tadowdaddy

[tadowdaddy]

Orange County Register says Pac 10 officials will offer the 16th spot to KU, not Utah.

 

I think Utah makes sense if they only expand to 12.

 

If they expand to 16, KU makes way more sense. Better school, more marketable national brand, closer to the schools in its division, a much larger AD budget.

 

Utah has the population advantage and a better football team, but they're hardly a football brand name.

 

 

That would make things interesting because my friend on the KBOR says that they will not let KU/KSU split should the conference dissolve. Who knows, but we'll see. Would definitely make things worse for KSU if it happened.

 

I don't think it's ultimately the BOR choice to make. I've also read reports from the BOR that the schools are not bound together. And if they do, they should all be fired.

 

You have one Tier 1 school with a national reputation that is was mandated by the state gov to become a top 50 school in the nation. Additionally, it's been invited by the NCI to apply for designation as a National Center Institute comprehensive cancer center, which would be ENORMOUS for the state as a whole.

 

Why would you handcuff it to a Tier 3 school and insist it get shuffled off to mediocrity, crippling the state's chance at having a top-rated university and all the money/benefits that come with having one?

 

The BOR needs to be loyal to its mission--higher education. If they knowingly drag both schools down, they would be doing the entire state a disservice.

 

 

I'm not in complete disagreement, although you know where my loyalty is. From what I'm told, it is a 100% BOR decision. They feel that they could keep the "rivalry" together and would do so if KSU/KU are asked to join the same BCS conference (see Big East) over having one school in one BCS Conference (Pac Whatever) and the other school in a different but most likely BCS Conference (MWC or Big East). They Kansas BOR is totally against playing west coast games and what it' would do to student athletes academically as well from what i've been told. My info comes from a former Kstater that sits on the BOR, so I may be getting one side of it, but we'll see i guess if it even matters.