NCAA Conference Realignment

[jersey cubs fan]

I am more frustrated than anything, why the hell does college basketball not register at all in any of this?

 

Because the only meaningful thing about basketball is the tournament and for that conference alignment doesn't really mean much.

[da bears]

The Big East knows where ND stands. I'm not positive Frank the Tank does.

Even when the conference is threatened (which hasn't happened yet)? The Big East isn't going to push Notre Dame out of the conference if they don't join in football, but they need a plan if/when the conference gets raided. Knowing how Notre Dame will act is an important part of that plan.

 

I think they know how ND will react. Swarbrick has been in discussions with the BE during this whole thing. ND's 2 goals have been remaining independent and keeping the Big East afloat. But if the BE says "all or nothing," I think ND walks away pretty quickly. Whether that's to the Big Ten, the ACC, or what, I don't know. But the BE knows they don't get ND for football under any scenario, so keeping the ND brand for all other sports is worth it to them.

what ND brand does notre dame have besides football? notre dame is no more relevant than missouri in basketball or nearly any other sport. notre dames big draw is football, thats it.

[hawkeyecub]

I'll be really pissed if ESPN steps in and screws this up, which may be a possibility in the long term. I really think that ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail to take Fox out of the picture in terms of taking away potential ESPN/ABC dollars. I guess we'll see, but it's always a possibility. Just talking out of my ass on this one.

 

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12.

[tadowdaddy]

I'll be really pissed if ESPN steps in and screws this up, which may be a possibility in the long term. I really think that ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail to take Fox out of the picture in terms of taking away potential ESPN/ABC dollars. I guess we'll see, but it's always a possibility. Just talking out of my ass on this one.

 

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12.

 

But with Fox being the network in charge of the new TV contract for the Big 12, they're surely taking dollars away from ESPN. Prior to this, there were rumors of a Big 12/Pac 10 (not Pac 16) combined TV deal. ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail. This makes it even worse though because now there are 2 new TV deals with Fox and it's even more of a hit on ESPN than a merged Pac 10/Big 12 deal. If the Big 12 collapsed, it's less of a hit on ESPN (only having a Pac 16 deal) than it would be to them if the conference remains and signs a mega deal with Fox to keep it alive. They want the Big 12 dead. One conference deal (Pac 16) is less of an impact than 2 separate conference deals.

Edited June 14, 2010 by tadowdaddy

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll be really pissed if ESPN steps in and screws this up, which may be a possibility in the long term. I really think that ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail to take Fox out of the picture in terms of taking away potential ESPN/ABC dollars. I guess we'll see, but it's always a possibility. Just talking out of my ass on this one.

 

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12.

 

But with Fox being the network in charge of the new TV contract for the Big 12, they're surely taking dollars away from ESPN. Thus, if the Big 12 collapsed, it's less of a hit on ESPN than it would be to them if the conference remains and signs a mega deal with Fox.

 

I don't get your whole Fox versus ESPN talk. Fox tried playing with ESPN, they lost, like a decade ago.

[tadowdaddy]

I'll be really pissed if ESPN steps in and screws this up, which may be a possibility in the long term. I really think that ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail to take Fox out of the picture in terms of taking away potential ESPN/ABC dollars. I guess we'll see, but it's always a possibility. Just talking out of my ass on this one.

 

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12.

 

But with Fox being the network in charge of the new TV contract for the Big 12, they're surely taking dollars away from ESPN. Thus, if the Big 12 collapsed, it's less of a hit on ESPN than it would be to them if the conference remains and signs a mega deal with Fox.

 

I don't get your whole Fox versus ESPN talk. Fox tried playing with ESPN, they lost, like a decade ago.

 

Any conference that doesn't have a TV deal with ESPN like he ACC does, but signs on with Fox, takes potential TV revenue away from ESPN.

[Tracer Bullet]

The Big East knows where ND stands. I'm not positive Frank the Tank does.

Even when the conference is threatened (which hasn't happened yet)? The Big East isn't going to push Notre Dame out of the conference if they don't join in football, but they need a plan if/when the conference gets raided. Knowing how Notre Dame will act is an important part of that plan.

 

I think they know how ND will react. Swarbrick has been in discussions with the BE during this whole thing. ND's 2 goals have been remaining independent and keeping the Big East afloat. But if the BE says "all or nothing," I think ND walks away pretty quickly. Whether that's to the Big Ten, the ACC, or what, I don't know. But the BE knows they don't get ND for football under any scenario, so keeping the ND brand for all other sports is worth it to them.

what ND brand does notre dame have besides football? notre dame is no more relevant than missouri in basketball or nearly any other sport. notre dames big draw is football, thats it.

 

ND football brand carries over to all sports. Is the basketball program an all-time great? of course not. but it's still Notre Dame. I've seen fans of other teams (for non-football sports) show up on campus. It's still a big deal. Just like I'm sure other schools are that have huge programs (I'm thinking Bama football, UCLA hoops, Kentucky hoops, UNC/Duke hoops, etc). Even if you're visiting for a lacrosse game, you go check out the sights on campus b/c you're a sports fan.

 

And it's also worth it b/c many ND fans and esp ND alums follow non-football sports. So that's a pretty big draw, even though the sports aren't the money makers football is. It's tickets sold and butts in seats.

[treebird]

oh no all the craziness fell through

 

i can still get drunk 15 saturday mornings a year, right?

 

excellent. i will find a way to accept the upsettingly unchanged landscape of college football.

[Tracer Bullet]

The Big East knows where ND stands. I'm not positive Frank the Tank does.

Even when the conference is threatened (which hasn't happened yet)? The Big East isn't going to push Notre Dame out of the conference if they don't join in football, but they need a plan if/when the conference gets raided. Knowing how Notre Dame will act is an important part of that plan.

 

When is the conference getting raided? There were a couple rumors about Pitt or Rutgers, but I heard very little talk about a massive run on BE teams.

 

btw - who the F is Frank the Tank?

[TruffleShuffle]

espn is probably thrilled that fox is going to give what's left of the big xii an asinine television deal that will cause them to lose millions of dollars a year.

[tadowdaddy]

espn is probably thrilled that fox is going to give what's left of the big xii an asinine television deal that will cause them to lose millions of dollars a year.

 

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference.

Edited June 14, 2010 by tadowdaddy

[Banedon]

I was rooting for total mayhem. I only got partial mayhem. Where do I get my refund?

[TruffleShuffle]

espn is probably thrilled that fox is going to give what's left of the big xii an asinine television deal that will cause them to lose millions of dollars a year.

 

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference.

 

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

[tadowdaddy]

espn is probably thrilled that fox is going to give what's left of the big xii an asinine television deal that will cause them to lose millions of dollars a year.

 

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference.

 

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

 

Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige. I'll agree that KSU football has gone downhill since the 90's, but am it's on it's way back up. KSU basketball is a preseason top 5-10 next year who gave the big 12 (vs KU) their highest rated TV game ever last year. Colorado isn't the media darling you talk it up to be. That state does NOT support that school at all (hence all the empty seats at both FB and BB games). Colorado couldn't care less about college sports. It's a professional sports media darling that is not a big loss at all for the Big 12 in terms of market. NU Bball is always a joke, and will never be any different. Football, yes, they have prestige, but watch that drop when they start getting pummeled in the Big 10 by Penn State, Ohio State, etc. I won't argue about Iowa State however, as they've not been good at much since I was in college in the 90's. A few years of bball, but overall, nothing impressive. And if you want to really talk about KSU bball being good for only one year, look at this. Before last season this was put out, and wow, Sagarin has KSU as #27 all time in terms of bball...

 

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf

Edited June 14, 2010 by tadowdaddy

[jersey cubs fan]

Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige.

 

Yes you are. Why else would you keep bringing up Fox and ESPN?

[Formerly Snayke]

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

Ehh. Nebraska hasn't been that important to college football in awhile. I think the last notable thing they did was piss everyone off by going to the national championship game in 2001 or so.

 

The conference gets a lot stronger in basketball. That's unquestionable.

[tadowdaddy]

Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige.

 

Yes you are. Why else would you keep bringing up Fox and ESPN?

 

I've said nothing about markets nor prestige in my posts. You may want to go back and re-read them. I've said how the Big 12 signing a deal with Fox takes money away from ESPN. You show me where I've mentioned markets or prestige.

[Old Style]

How in the hell is ESPN going to carry yet another conference's football games?

[Tracer Bullet]

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

Ehh. Nebraska hasn't been that important to college football in awhile. I think the last notable thing they did was piss everyone off by going to the national championship game in 2001 or so.

 

The conference gets a lot stronger in basketball. That's unquestionable.

 

it may also have gotten stronger in womens water polo, but who cares? this is about CFB.

[kujay]

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

Ehh. Nebraska hasn't been that important to college football in awhile. I think the last notable thing they did was piss everyone off by going to the national championship game in 2001 or so.

 

I was thinking about this too, but it seems the legacy or "presence" of the program has more to do with actual, present-day success. Look at ND. They haven't done [expletive] lately, but everyone is still fretting over them.

[CubInOK]

I'm still hoping that offers from the Pac-10 and SEC are still on the table for OU and that the Sooners take one of them. I want no part of the Big XII anymore and I want the $$$$$ that come with being in either of those conferences. Nebraska leaving made Big XII football so much less recognizable.

[Guest]

How in the hell is ESPN going to carry yet another conference's football games?

 

It's no different than what they did this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige.

 

Yes you are. Why else would you keep bringing up Fox and ESPN?

 

I've said nothing about markets nor prestige in my posts. You may want to go back and re-read them. I've said how the Big 12 signing a deal with Fox takes money away from ESPN. You show me where I've mentioned markets or prestige.

 

The very nature of the topic encompasses markets, without a doubt. And prestige as well, since that's what drives a lot of eyeballs.

[Tracer Bullet]

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

Ehh. Nebraska hasn't been that important to college football in awhile. I think the last notable thing they did was piss everyone off by going to the national championship game in 2001 or so.

 

I was thinking about this too, but it seems the legacy or "presence" of the program has more to do with actual, present-day success. Look at ND. They haven't done [expletive] lately, but everyone is still fretting over them.

 

Over the last 10 years, Nebraska's CFB record is 3rd in the new Big Ten, better than PSU and UM. And which team will win more games in 2010: UM or Nebraksa?

 

Do you really not know why conferences covet ND football or are you just trying to sound stupid?

[Tracer Bullet]

espn is probably thrilled that fox is going to give what's left of the big xii an asinine television deal that will cause them to lose millions of dollars a year.

 

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference.

 

getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program.

 

 

Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige. I'll agree that KSU football has gone downhill since the 90's, but am it's on it's way back up. KSU basketball is a preseason top 5-10 next year who gave the big 12 (vs KU) their highest rated TV game ever last year. Colorado isn't the media darling you talk it up to be. That state does NOT support that school at all (hence all the empty seats at both FB and BB games). Colorado couldn't care less about college sports. It's a professional sports media darling that is not a big loss at all for the Big 12 in terms of market. NU Bball is always a joke, and will never be any different. Football, yes, they have prestige, but watch that drop when they start getting pummeled in the Big 10 by Penn State, Ohio State, etc. I won't argue about Iowa State however, as they've not been good at much since I was in college in the 90's. A few years of bball, but overall, nothing impressive. And if you want to really talk about KSU bball being good for only one year, look at this. Before last season this was put out, and wow, Sagarin has KSU as #27 all time in terms of bball...

 

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf

 

the level of competition may have increased in the North, but Colorado and Nebraska football are not dead weight. It's sort of petty to keep pretending that it is.