NCAA Conference Realignment

[SpongeWorthy]

Getting ND in a conference so they can stop getting waxed in BCS games they don't deserve to be in probably helps the brand.

 

Better to lose in the Fiesta bowl than squeak out a win in the Emerald bowl.

 

Even better if you didn't have to cheat to get there.

 

I was actually being serious.

 

Seeing ND obliterated in games people already resent them being in doesn't help anything.

 

Being in a BCS game, even if you lose, is good for the program. Financially, for fans, for recruiting.

 

Cheating to get to the Emerald Bowl, or a national title game, is bad for the program. At least in my opinion. You have more direct experience, so you may feel differently.

 

Getting to a BCS game when you have the deck stacked in your favor and then getting blown out by superior teams is a good thing financially, in the short term. It has diminished the brand though. If ND was putting the wood down on teams in big games they wouldn't even consider joining the Big 10 would they?

 

And from a competitive standpoint, getting to those BCS games hasn't helped at all. The trend has been decisively negative except for Willingham's first 8 games and Weis's first year.

 

It's not the unvarnished good thing you make it out to be.

[tadowdaddy]

From the KUsports blog, and odd:

 

Note: This could be a couple of schools pushing an agenda, or it could be credible. But reports are starting to surface that BYU and Air Force, both of the Mountain West, are being mentioned as possible replacements for Colorado and Nebraska.

 

We're working hard to track this down and have calls out to the Mountain West.

 

Stay tuned.

 

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/big-12-realignment/2010/jun/14/big-12-on-the-verge-of-survival/

 

 

I asked my guy about that, and he says no, that it's only going to be a 10 team conference. No additions. Who knows, the rumors have been rampant the last week and a half.

[kujay]

From the KUsports blog, and odd:

 

Note: This could be a couple of schools pushing an agenda, or it could be credible. But reports are starting to surface that BYU and Air Force, both of the Mountain West, are being mentioned as possible replacements for Colorado and Nebraska.

 

We're working hard to track this down and have calls out to the Mountain West.

 

Stay tuned.

 

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/big-12-realignment/2010/jun/14/big-12-on-the-verge-of-survival/

 

 

I asked my guy about that, and he says no, that it's only going to be a 10 team conference. No additions. Who knows, the rumors have been rampant the last week and a half.

 

Yeah it doesn't make any sense to me.

[tadowdaddy]

Just saw this though...

 

Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board.

 

http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

[kujay]

Just saw this though...

 

Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board.

 

http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

 

Wow, so divisions again then? AF in the north with Oklahoma? Interesting.

[Tracer Bullet]

Getting ND in a conference so they can stop getting waxed in BCS games they don't deserve to be in probably helps the brand.

 

Better to lose in the Fiesta bowl than squeak out a win in the Emerald bowl.

 

Even better if you didn't have to cheat to get there.

 

I was actually being serious.

 

Seeing ND obliterated in games people already resent them being in doesn't help anything.

 

Being in a BCS game, even if you lose, is good for the program. Financially, for fans, for recruiting.

 

Cheating to get to the Emerald Bowl, or a national title game, is bad for the program. At least in my opinion. You have more direct experience, so you may feel differently.

 

Getting to a BCS game when you have the deck stacked in your favor and then getting blown out by superior teams is a good thing financially, in the short term. It has diminished the brand though. If ND was putting the wood down on teams in big games they wouldn't even consider joining the Big 10 would they?

 

And from a competitive standpoint, getting to those BCS games hasn't helped at all. The trend has been decisively negative except for Willingham's first 8 games and Weis's first year.

 

It's not the unvarnished good thing you make it out to be.

 

How is the deck stacked in ND's favor? What on earth are you talking about? ND has to be voted on, in part, by coaches, none of whom have any incentive to see ND's stock rise (counter those coaches that frequently vote their own conference teams 10 or more slots higher than other coaches).

 

The trend since when has been decisively negative? Since the early 90s when Lou left? Or since the 2000s? b/c the Weis era was significantly better than either the Davie or the Willingham era and I've yet to find an ND fan that hasn't been excited by the things Kelly's done (both before he got to ND and in the few months since).

 

I have no idea how you can spin a BCS loss into a worse end to a season than winning the Emerald Bowl.

[hawkeyecub]

Waiting for tadow to tell us that BYU/Air Force would be stronger than CU/Nebraska.

[kujay]

Doesn't BYU already have it's own TV network? Or is that part of a larger mormon channel that shows BYU games sometimes?

[bukie]

Well...adding Air Force to the Big 12 certainly strengthens the MWC's case for a BCS bid.

[TruffleShuffle]

More from Chip:

 

CU seen as "such a nonperformer" that they were viewed as bringing 0% to the table for TV...so Big XII sold it as only one school actually lost from Big XII (Nebraska).

 

 

OU/UT may move from TX State Fairgrounds to Jerry's Taj in Dallas.

 

Mike Slive and SEC in College Station on Saturday, Larry Scott and Weiberg (Pac-10) in College Station on Sunday...full court press was on.

 

i love the conference dumping on nebraska and colorado like they were nothing.

 

colorado has sucked at football lately but they were a pretty big deal in the '90s when they had kordell stewart et al. if they can get things turned around athletically, that loss will be a lot more important than dan beebe is making it sound.

[snoodmonger]

Well...adding Air Force to the Big 12 certainly strengthens the MWC's case for a BCS bid.

 

Not when the Pac 10 takes Utah.

[kujay]

More from Chip:

 

CU seen as "such a nonperformer" that they were viewed as bringing 0% to the table for TV...so Big XII sold it as only one school actually lost from Big XII (Nebraska).

 

 

OU/UT may move from TX State Fairgrounds to Jerry's Taj in Dallas.

 

Mike Slive and SEC in College Station on Saturday, Larry Scott and Weiberg (Pac-10) in College Station on Sunday...full court press was on.

 

i love the conference dumping on nebraska and colorado like they were nothing.

 

colorado has sucked at football lately but they were a pretty big deal in the '90s when they had kordell stewart et al. if they can get things turned around athletically, that loss will be a lot more important than dan beebe is making it sound.

 

You're right, but it's no surprise they would come out with this attitude publicly. Put up the strong front, "everything's fine," Baghdad Bob thing.

[snoodmonger]

People can spin it all they want--Big 12 with CU and NU was infinitely better than Big 12 w/o them or Big 12 w/ Air Force and BYU.

[kujay]

People can spin it all they want--Big 12 with CU and NU was infinitely better than Big 12 w/o them or Big 12 w/ Air Force and BYU.

 

Yeah this.

[TruffleShuffle]

Just saw this though...

 

Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board.

 

http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

 

# We apologize, but it seems like someone had access to the account that shouldn't have.

 

104.9 The Horn DID NOT report that Air Force and BYU would be two new Big12 teams.

 

 

lol

[snoodmonger]

If the Pac 10 does take Utah and the Big 12 takes AFA and BYU, Boise State is gonna be PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSED.

[tadowdaddy]

Just saw this though...

 

Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board.

 

http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

 

Wow, so divisions again then? AF in the north with Oklahoma? Interesting.

 

 

Everything I hear says it won't happen... I keep hearing 10 teams no divisions.

[TruffleShuffle]

adding a small service academy in fort collins to the bcs would have been hilarious. have fun getting kicked around by pretty much everyone in every sport except for shooting. talk about adding nothing to a conference.

[SpongeWorthy]

 

How is the deck stacked in ND's favor? What on earth are you talking about? ND has to be voted on, in part, by coaches, none of whom have any incentive to see ND's stock rise (counter those coaches that frequently vote their own conference teams 10 or more slots higher than other coaches).

 

The trend since when has been decisively negative? Since the early 90s when Lou left? Or since the 2000s? b/c the Weis era was significantly better than either the Davie or the Willingham era and I've yet to find an ND fan that hasn't been excited by the things Kelly's done (both before he got to ND and in the few months since).

 

I have no idea how you can spin a BCS loss into a worse end to a season than winning the Emerald Bowl.

 

I don't know why you keep bringing up the Emerald Bowl as if I mentioned it or it has any relevance here or would even submit that it's better than losing in a BCS game.

 

The Weis era was not significantly better than his predecessors. That is a total fiction. Worse overall record than either Davie OR Willingham, 1 bowl win over Hawaii, coached probably the worst team in school history, ended the Navy win streak, and the biggest "win" under his tenure was a loss.

 

At least Davie and Willingham had the temerity to beat a ranked opponent here and there.

 

Anyway, I would argue that ND getting blown out in BCS games (hell, bowl games in general) is a part of why they're being pursued here. ND's fall from the absolute top was probably inevitable but nothing's been done to slow the decline. Hiring Kelly was a good first start. They've gone from bulletproof to looking seriously at joining a conference. If they'd been the ND of old, or something even approaching it, they'd be calling their own shots.

[tadowdaddy]

Waiting for tadow to tell us that BYU/Air Force would be stronger than CU/Nebraska.

Seriously???? GMAFB..

[tadowdaddy]

Just saw this though...

 

Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board.

 

http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

 

# We apologize, but it seems like someone had access to the account that shouldn't have.

 

104.9 The Horn DID NOT report that Air Force and BYU would be two new Big12 teams.

 

 

lol

 

Hilarious...

[tadowdaddy]

Waiting for tadow to tell us that BYU/Air Force would be stronger than CU/Nebraska.

Seriously???? GMAFB..

 

The conference is stronger in Bball without Both CU and NU. The football schedule gets tougher for the North teams too without either of them. How is this hard to understand?

[CubInOK]

In this, basketball means ZERO. Football means everything. OU and Texas will keep dominating this conference, but won't get the same money they got with NU and CU around. OU really needs to look out for itself and leave.

[tadowdaddy]

In this, basketball means ZERO. Football means everything. OU and Texas will keep dominating this conference, but won't get the same money they got with NU and CU around. OU really needs to look out for itself and leave.

 

 

Sorry to break it to you, but they'll be more than doubling what they got with CU and NU around with the new deal. The conference schedule for the North based teams just got much tougher with NU and CU leaving.

[CubInOK]

In this, basketball means ZERO. Football means everything. OU and Texas will keep dominating this conference, but won't get the same money they got with NU and CU around. OU really needs to look out for itself and leave.

 

 

Sorry to break it to you, but they'll be more than doubling what they got with CU and NU around with the new deal. The conference schedule for the North based teams just got much tougher with NU and CU leaving.

Without those TV sets, how do they get the money? You really underestimate what Nebraska meant to the Big XII.