NCAA Conference Realignment

[snoodmonger]

no, i get why KSU fans are hoping it's the truth. And i'd kinda miss the rivalry. But the grim reality is, the state probably isn't big enough to hold two BCS schools in this future landscape. And they need to do everything they can to ensure--from an academic standpoint--the state is positioned well. And that means having at least one major research institution.

 

Like you said, maybe the big 12 survives, and this all goes away. I wouldn't trust that fragile conference at all, though.

[cbbryan]

I still think it makes more sense to Texas and aTm to join the B10 if they want out of the bii.

 

I think it has more to do with the B10 not giving them +money and only offering equal membership. They seem to want to have control. They're like the LBJ of college sports! :D

[Guest]

More sources talking that all parties involved could stay in the Big 12. Chip Brown says OU, UT, and aTm will get 20 million each from the TV deal, and the rest will get between 14 and 17 million.

 

I'm going to relish every second of Mizzou pounding Texas in basketball for the 4th straight year.

[Jon]

How do you think Colorado and Nebraska feel right now? There's a lot of money at stake for them.

[kujay]

More sources talking that all parties involved could stay in the Big 12. Chip Brown says OU, UT, and aTm will get 20 million each from the TV deal, and the rest will get between 14 and 17 million.

 

I'm going to relish every second of Mizzou pounding Texas in basketball for the 4th straight year.

 

It's funny how this whole thing has Mizzou fans, K-State fans and KU fans largely on the same side. Almost feeling warm and fuzzy. Almost.

[snoodmonger]

More sources talking that all parties involved could stay in the Big 12. Chip Brown says OU, UT, and aTm will get 20 million each from the TV deal, and the rest will get between 14 and 17 million.

 

I'm going to relish every second of Mizzou pounding Texas in basketball for the 4th straight year.

 

 

I don't want any part of this deal. It does two things--keeps our schools in a conf that's ripe for the picking, while closing the door on many of the current opportunities.

 

And it creates a bigger competitive imbalance within our conference, increasing the likelihood the weaker schools (MU, KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, Tech) will be farther back in the race when the inevitable poaching of the conference comes around again.

 

And it seems to me that a big selling point is Delaney's assurances he's done poaching Big 12 schools when:

 

A: He could be full of it.

B: He doesn't speak for the SEC, who could still make a move on MU, OU, OSU to cripple the Big 12 again and reboot this whole process.

[snoodmonger]

How do you think Colorado and Nebraska feel right now? There's a lot of money at stake for them.

 

Still less than what Neb will make in the Big 10, isn't it? I have no idea what kind of payout CU is getting.

[TruffleShuffle]

the only thing i can think of is that the big ten and sec tv contracts are undervalued, or someone is paying way too much for what's left of the big xii.

[Jon]

It will be really interesting to see what the penalty would be for a Big 12 team to leave the conference if this new deal goes through. Could stay the same, could be increased (to create a larger barrier for schools that aren't Texas), or could possibly be decreased.

[Guest]

How do you think Colorado and Nebraska feel right now? There's a lot of money at stake for them.

 

Still less than what Neb will make in the Big 10, isn't it? I have no idea what kind of payout CU is getting.

 

 

Without the dissolving of the conference, Nebraska and Colorado get to pay the price for leaving the conference/their contractural obligations.

 

Which will be a nice starting point on the Texas-only Network UT wants to create, giving them more leverage to bend over the rest of the conference/other conferences/go independent/smoke cigars made of rolled benjamins in a few years when this happens all over again.

[SouthSideRyan]

I can't believe that TV deal for the Big 12. Is Fox that desperate?

[tadowdaddy]

no, i get why KSU fans are hoping it's the truth. And i'd kinda miss the rivalry. But the grim reality is, the state probably isn't big enough to hold two BCS schools in this future landscape. And they need to do everything they can to ensure--from an academic standpoint--the state is positioned well. And that means having at least one major research institution.

 

Like you said, maybe the big 12 survives, and this all goes away. I wouldn't trust that fragile conference at all, though.

 

I guarantee in the long term that Kansas holds 2 BCS schools, and it's because of this. With this major national defense institution in KSU's near future, it has to stay a BCS school. Not being a BCS School will kill a project like this, because it will deter students from wanting to come to the school, regardless of this being there. It's in process of being built. I know it's an old story, but I didn't have a chance to find something more recent.

 

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Edited June 14, 2010 by tadowdaddy

[Jon]

How do you think Colorado and Nebraska feel right now? There's a lot of money at stake for them.

 

Still less than what Neb will make in the Big 10, isn't it? I have no idea what kind of payout CU is getting.

Not short term. Nebraska isn't getting a full piece of the pie in the very beginning. There weren't any other details, but my impression is that it could be a few years until they get an equal share. And they're not starting in the Big Ten until July 2011.

 

Though I'm sure it will be an issue for the courts, which could delay any payout for a while.

[tadowdaddy]

How do you think Colorado and Nebraska feel right now? There's a lot of money at stake for them.

 

Still less than what Neb will make in the Big 10, isn't it? I have no idea what kind of payout CU is getting.

 

 

Without the dissolving of the conference, Nebraska and Colorado get to pay the price for leaving the conference/their contractural obligations.

 

Which will be a nice starting point on the Texas-only Network UT wants to create, giving them more leverage to bend over the rest of the conference/other conferences/go independent/smoke cigars made of rolled benjamins in a few years when this happens all over again.

 

That 2 million that KSU athletics will get is a great start on a Basketball practice facility that has been planned but not funded. Thanks NU and CU.

[Guest]

lol, and the deal is supposedly for 18 years, that's why the payout is so high now. What a nightmare.

[tadowdaddy]

lol, and the deal is supposedly for 18 years, that's why the payout is so high now. What a nightmare.

 

Well, the PAC 10 and SEC deals are both 15 year deals. This one has the opportunity for renegotiation should we want to bring on more schools as well from what I've been told.

[snoodmonger]

lol, and the deal is supposedly for 18 years, that's why the payout is so high now. What a nightmare.

 

do not want.

 

of course, KU-MU-KSU-ISU-OSU-Tech-Baylor don't really have a say in this. If Texas and aTm decide they want to stay, there's nowhere for those schools to go, unless the SEC tries for MU.

 

I don't think KU is as linked to KSU as tadow says, but they're linked enough that KU can't strike out on its own while the Big 12 exists.

Edited June 14, 2010 by snoodmonger

[RedFlash]

1. Chip Brown is nothing more then the talking head for Texas. Take whatever he says at face value.

 

2. The Missouri as a pacakge if SEC wants TAM is okay, I guess. I would expect SEC to offer Mizz by themselves, but if it meant TAM then so be it.

 

3. As for the report that says that Texas will or could recommitt to the Big XII is a load of crap. Texas wants the rest of the Big II, especially TAM to fall back in line and bow down to the "greatness" that is Texas. The only way Beebe convince Texas to recommitt to the Big II is if Beebe sold his soul to the devil, aka Texas. If he had, then the leftovers of the Big 12 might as well jump now, cause they'll never be treated fair in the Big XII. I will say this, I used to respect Texas, but since the BCS game they have quickly overtaken both USC and ND as the most hated and arrogant school in America.

 

4. Now how hilarious would it be that throughout this whole expansion talk, that only Colorado (Pac 10) and Nebraska (Big 10) are the only schools to move.

[TruffleShuffle]

1. Chip Brown is nothing more then the talking head for Texas. Take whatever he says at face value.

 

2. The Missouri as a pacakge if SEC wants TAM is okay, I guess. I would expect SEC to offer Mizz by themselves, but if it meant TAM then so be it.

 

(a) pretty sure you mean "with a grain of salt" not "at face value" unless you are saying that what he says does hold water.

(b) the SEC really wants aTm, not mizzou.

© your rant against texas is hilarious. texas was recently evaluated as the most valuable college football team in the nation, with far more revenue than any other program in the conference. they're also really good at a number of other sports. texas wants more money because they do more for the conference than any other program.

[kujay]

I can't even tell what's news anymore, but ESPN.com replaced the "Texas to Pac-10" link at the top of the headlines with this:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5285680

 

So if this Brown guy really is just a mouthpiece for UT, are they angling for a better deal from the Pac-10?

[snoodmonger]

I can't even tell what's news anymore, but ESPN.com replaced the "Texas to Pac-10" link at the top of the headlines with this:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5285680

 

So if this Brown guy really is just a mouthpiece for UT, are they angling for a better deal from the Pac-10?

 

They want to make aTm look like the bad guy. They also have absolutely nothing to lose. They can stay in the Big 12, rake in 25 mil for 3 years, then go wherever they want when it deteriorates again. Why should they care when the conference falls apart? They'll never be in any danger of being left in the cold.

[kujay]

From a KUsports.com blog:

 

Check out the latest Twitter updates from Pete Thamel, of the New York Times:

 

1.Big 12 AD confirms to the NY Times that Texas is on cusp of committing to Big 12. He said, "The musical chairs will stop."

 

2.Just got Dan Beebe on the phone very quickly. When asked if things look good, he said, "We'll keep going." Said he couldn't talk anymore.

 

Working like crazy to get more info on this. Stay tuned.

[Outshined_One]

So, what's the Big Ten's next move? Going hard after Notre Dame while maintaining discussions with Pitt/Rutgers?

[cbbryan]

So, what's the Big Ten's next move? Going hard after Notre Dame while maintaining discussions with Pitt/Rutgers?

 

Yeah, I think ND and Pitt are their other targets.

 

I'm not as wild about Rutgers.

[Jon]

So, what's the Big Ten's next move? Going hard after Notre Dame while maintaining discussions with Pitt/Rutgers?

If the Big 12 doesn't collapse, possibly nothing. This would have triggered a chain of events that would have left a lot of instability on the east coast. But if the Big 12 stays together, I don't think Notre Dame has much more of a reason to join the Big Ten. And unless the Big Ten gets Notre Dame, I don't think we're going to see any additional expansion. They'd be wise to hold off a few years for this to start up again and not handcuff themselves with schools that expand the footprint but don't add much else.