NCAA Conference Realignment

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm still pissed about this. I want all of A&M's leadership replaced. They are spineless, weak, and short sighted.

 

I wonder how long the Mack-10 will survive? Maybe 5 years?

 

I know for a fact that A LOT of Aggie fans are sick to their stomach at their fave schools dependence of Texas. The ones I know were screaming to go to the SEC, but apparently the TAM leadership didn't listen what the fans wanted, but what their pockets wants.

 

As for the Big 1+11-2 Conference, 5 years is highly unlikely. I'd give them half that time, before other schools in the conference have buyer's remorse and jump ship.

 

like who?

 

OU, aTm, and UT have no reason. They're making money hand over fist, and every other school is willing to smile and take it.

 

Outside of Mizzou, no one else has any options to go. We've seen pretty clearly that no one is knocking down any doors to grab KSU, ISU, KU, or Baylor.

 

Tech and Okie Lite are only worth a crap if they tag along w their big brothers.

 

The conference will be fine as long as the big 3 are happy with their dough.

 

Big three? There is not a big three. There are 2 teams in the big 12, OU and Texas. To put A&M on their level is hilarious. A&M sucks at football, basketball, and baseball. The only sport going on right now is baseball; OU is in the World Series, Texas made it to qualifying but lost to TCU, and A&M didn't even make it to qualifying and barely played .500 in the conference. At least Texas Tech had one good football season before OU put that down, A&M has always been worthless.

 

Not to turn this into that argument, but Texas losing before the World Series is a joke and an embarrassment for them this season.

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If Pelini is the right hire I don't see any real reason that NU can't be in national title discussion every once in awhile. They won't be an annual powerhouse like Texas or OU but they can be top dog if everything breaks right.

 

yeah, i hate Nebraska football, but I can see them being a consistent 8-10 game winner with a title chance every so often when things fall right. It's not like the Big Ten is really a tougher conference than the Big 12 was. I guess it depends on how they set up divisions and who plays whom every year, but they'll probably miss OSU, PSU, UM every few years. And if they adopt the fairly standard Big Ten OOC schedule (1 good/decent team and 3 patsies), the schedule will probably have 7 no-doubt wins for Nebraska almost every year.

 

TT - maybe you just hate Nebraska, which I can fully understand since I'm also from a neighboring state. But I don't really get your argument.

[SouthSideRyan]

OU basketball is relevant because they set a record for money spent on a below 500 team.

[Guest]

If Pelini is the right hire I don't see any real reason that NU can't be in national title discussion every once in awhile. They won't be an annual powerhouse like Texas or OU but they can be top dog if everything breaks right.

 

yeah, i hate Nebraska football, but I can see them being a consistent 8-10 game winner with a title chance every so often when things fall right. It's not like the Big Ten is really a tougher conference than the Big 12 was. I guess it depends on how they set up divisions and who plays whom every year, but they'll probably miss OSU, PSU, UM every few years. And if they adopt the fairly standard Big Ten OOC schedule (1 good/decent team and 3 patsies), the schedule will probably have 7 no-doubt wins for Nebraska almost every year.

 

TT - maybe you just hate Nebraska, which I can fully understand since I'm also from a neighboring state. But I don't really get your argument.

 

I don't expect it to be a popular position, and I admit that I really loathe Nebraska(mostly because they get the benefit of the doubt because they're Nebraska), but I think you're overrating them. They don't score points, and I'm not sold on their defense without a once-in-a-decade defensive player destroying offensive lines. I expect them to lose 4 games this year even though their two most difficult games are at home, they miss OU, etc.

[Old Style]

Big three? There is not a big three. There are 2 teams in the big 12, OU and Texas. To put A&M on their level is hilarious. A&M sucks at football, basketball, and baseball. The only sport going on right now is baseball; OU is in the World Series, Texas made it to qualifying but lost to TCU, and A&M didn't even make it to qualifying and barely played .500 in the conference. At least Texas Tech had one good football season before OU put that down, A&M has always been worthless.

You are [expletive] clueless. Our football program has been down, but it is on the way back up. A 9-win season wouldn't surprise me this year. We still have work to do to catch Texas and OU. WTF is "qualifying" in regards to baseball? A&M won the conference tournament and were 1 win away from a Super Regional match-up with #3 Florida. And if you think think we suck at basketball, you may be too stupid to breathe. We are one of only TWO teams to advance to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament the past 5 years. Pittsburgh is the other. We are not an elite program yet, but we are now a consistent Top 25 team. Did someone from A&M [expletive] your girlfriend or something?

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If Pelini is the right hire I don't see any real reason that NU can't be in national title discussion every once in awhile. They won't be an annual powerhouse like Texas or OU but they can be top dog if everything breaks right.

 

yeah, i hate Nebraska football, but I can see them being a consistent 8-10 game winner with a title chance every so often when things fall right. It's not like the Big Ten is really a tougher conference than the Big 12 was. I guess it depends on how they set up divisions and who plays whom every year, but they'll probably miss OSU, PSU, UM every few years. And if they adopt the fairly standard Big Ten OOC schedule (1 good/decent team and 3 patsies), the schedule will probably have 7 no-doubt wins for Nebraska almost every year.

 

TT - maybe you just hate Nebraska, which I can fully understand since I'm also from a neighboring state. But I don't really get your argument.

 

I don't expect it to be a popular position, and I admit that I really loathe Nebraska(mostly because they get the benefit of the doubt because they're Nebraska), but I think you're overrating them. They don't score points, and I'm not sold on their defense without a once-in-a-decade defensive player destroying offensive lines. I expect them to lose 4 games this year even though their two most difficult games are at home, they miss OU, etc.

 

I don't know how they'll do this year. But that's not really my point. I'm talking about post-joining the Big Ten Nebraska. And their 2011 schedule is Fresno St, Washington, and @ Wyoming + conference games. Washington might be good by 2011, but that's not a daunting schedule. A lot depends on how the new Big Ten divides itself, but other than OSU, there isn't a team in the Big Ten that's clearly better than Nebraska right now. Several are arguably better and have been for the past 5-10 years, but I wouldn't bet my life on any team other than OSU beating Nebraska more than 50% of the time in the next 5 years. This could all change if it turns out Pelini sucks, but I can't say for sure one way or the other right now.

[Guest]

ut other than OSU, there isn't a team in the Big Ten that's clearly better than Nebraska right now. Several are arguably better and have been for the past 5-10 years, but I wouldn't bet my life on any team other than OSU beating Nebraska more than 50% of the time in the next 5 years. This could all change if it turns out Pelini sucks, but I can't say for sure one way or the other right now.

 

This is the crux of it, and where I disagree. Looking at it the other way, outside of Indiana and maybe Purdue and Illinois, there isn't a team in the Big 10 I can say is a gimme win for Nebraska. And even then, look what happened to them against Iowa State this year, in Lincoln no less.

[jersey cubs fan]

A lot depends on how the new Big Ten divides itself, but other than OSU, there isn't a team in the Big Ten that's clearly better than Nebraska right now. Several are arguably better and have been for the past 5-10 years, but I wouldn't bet my life on any team other than OSU beating Nebraska more than 50% of the time in the next 5 years. This could all change if it turns out Pelini sucks, but I can't say for sure one way or the other right now.

 

I'd bet Iowa and Wisconsin take turns beating them regularly, and Northwestern will win a few as well.

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A lot depends on how the new Big Ten divides itself, but other than OSU, there isn't a team in the Big Ten that's clearly better than Nebraska right now. Several are arguably better and have been for the past 5-10 years, but I wouldn't bet my life on any team other than OSU beating Nebraska more than 50% of the time in the next 5 years. This could all change if it turns out Pelini sucks, but I can't say for sure one way or the other right now.

 

I'd bet Iowa and Wisconsin take turns beating them regularly, and Northwestern will win a few as well.

 

those are obviously the 2 teams in the western division (if that's how they do it) that could regularly beat them. But I look at both of those teams and wonder when they'll go back to sucking for long stretches of time.

 

And to TT's point, I can easily see Nebraska losing an easy game here or there. They aren't a top tier program right now by any means. But I also think they'll be good enough to beat the dregs of the Big Ten. And in the west half, that includes Illinois, NW, and Minnesota. My guess is they split East/West and play the 5 other teams in their division, 3 of the 6 in the other division (some every other year rotation), and 4 OOC games. Some B10 teams schedule 4 crap OOC games, some just 3. But that's probably 6-7 (or even 8, in years like this when teams like Michigan suck) puff games.

 

Most years, I think Nebraska wins 8-10 games in the Big Ten, with a rare 11 win season (or even title run) and a slightly less rare 5-7 win season. Could be way off, but that's my guess. So basically...Wisconsin, Iowa (of late), PSU, etc.

[jersey cubs fan]

those are obviously the 2 teams in the western division (if that's how they do it) that could regularly beat them. But I look at both of those teams and wonder when they'll go back to sucking for long stretches of time.

 

I'm not sure that's very likely. Wisconsin was once a crap team, but since the 90's they've been a steady force. And Iowa has had down years, but are regulary contenders and/or thorns in the sides of the elite teams. And Northwestern isn't much of a dreg. Illinois and Indiana are, but Northwestern competes. They probably would have won the big 12 north once or twice.

[hawkeyecub]

those are obviously the 2 teams in the western division (if that's how they do it) that could regularly beat them. But I look at both of those teams and wonder when they'll go back to sucking for long stretches of time.

 

As jersey pointed out it's been quite a while since Wisconsin sucked for long stretches of time. Iowa hasn't sucked for long stretches of time since Hayden arrived.

 

In the last 30 years Iowa has two 3-year stretches where they were .500 (one under Fry, one under Ferentz) and one 3-year stretch where they sucked (Hayden's last year, Kirk's first two). And that was the time where Hayden stayed on too long and left things bare. 5 losing seasons spread out over 30 years compared to 15 top 3 finishes and 19 times in the top 4 of the Big Ten.

 

4 of the last 8 years they've finished ranked in the top 8 in the nation. They're not going back to sucking for a long stretch under Ferentz which should be a while.

[brinoch]

Other than the economics, I know basically nothing about what's going on other than what I've read. But I do have to say that this thread has been both comedy gold and full of great information. I'm an Indiana fan and pro-Big Ten in rooting interest, but I don't really care if the Big Ten gets bigger if they don't get better. Adding Nebraska seems like a good move. But unless a school is worth it I leave well enough alone; bigger doesn't necessarily mean better.

[TruffleShuffle]

the true comedy gold came in the first ten pages when cubbiebum touted purdue as the class of the conference and said that women's sports would play just as big a role in divisioning. not to mention his 90 page report that he consulted senator nancy pelosi about.

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those are obviously the 2 teams in the western division (if that's how they do it) that could regularly beat them. But I look at both of those teams and wonder when they'll go back to sucking for long stretches of time.

 

As jersey pointed out it's been quite a while since Wisconsin sucked for long stretches of time. Iowa hasn't sucked for long stretches of time since Hayden arrived.

 

In the last 30 years Iowa has two 3-year stretches where they were .500 (one under Fry, one under Ferentz) and one 3-year stretch where they sucked (Hayden's last year, Kirk's first two). And that was the time where Hayden stayed on too long and left things bare. 5 losing seasons spread out over 30 years compared to 15 top 3 finishes and 19 times in the top 4 of the Big Ten.

 

4 of the last 8 years they've finished ranked in the top 8 in the nation. They're not going back to sucking for a long stretch under Ferentz which should be a while.

 

it has been quite a while for Wisconsin and I'm not totally familiar with their history, but they haven't been a consistent 9-10 game winner for the entirety of my 20+ year CFB life. And I've been an Iowa fan for every day of my 32 years. There were some great times when I was too young to really remember. But there was a big stretch from then until the last 8 years or so where they pretty much sucked. They had a season or two of good times, but most seasons, the best you could hope for was bowl eligibility. That's not a good team.

 

You can nitpick with my using the word "suck" but the point remains. Even great programs go through rough stretches. Decent to good programs go through even more of them. I'd put Iowa and Wisconsin in the decent-to-good program level, which means they aren't likely to be 8-10 game winners forever without some rough stretches. More to the overall point, I'd put Nebraska in that same category. They're in a rough stretch, but won't be forever, b/c they're a good program on the whole.

[Banedon]

the true comedy gold came in the first ten pages when cubbiebum touted purdue as the class of the conference and said that women's sports would play just as big a role in divisioning. not to mention his 90 page report that he consulted senator nancy pelosi about.

 

Makes me almost wish he was here for the last couple of weeks.

[TruffleShuffle]

the true comedy gold came in the first ten pages when cubbiebum touted purdue as the class of the conference and said that women's sports would play just as big a role in divisioning. not to mention his 90 page report that he consulted senator nancy pelosi about.

 

Makes me almost wish he was here for the last couple of weeks.

 

you're a mod, make it happen

[Banedon]

the true comedy gold came in the first ten pages when cubbiebum touted purdue as the class of the conference and said that women's sports would play just as big a role in divisioning. not to mention his 90 page report that he consulted senator nancy pelosi about.

 

Makes me almost wish he was here for the last couple of weeks.

 

you're a mod, make it happen

 

I said almost.

[snoodmonger]

Per Chip Brown, sounds like the Pac-10 made some last minute changes trying to add Kansas and exclude Okie Lite. Then, if aTm did head to SEC, they wanted to add Utah. (Personally, I would have taken MU over Utah.) All that helped drive Texas back to the Big 12, who didn't want to piss off Boone Pickens.

 

 

Larry Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg fly from Oklahoma City to College Station Sunday morning. A meeting between Scott, Weiberg and A&M president R. Bowen Loftin and a couple regents is short and not so sweet. Texas A&M tells the Pac-10 officials they are not ready to accept an invitation. The Pac-10, which is actively falling in love with Kansas, takes this as a refused invitation

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And Scott and Weiberg made one critical mistake in the courtship of the Big 12. Other than its somewhat foggy math that a 16-team Pac-10 could readily get to $20 million in TV revenue per school, they wanted to substitute Kansas for Oklahoma State late in the process, according to multiple sources in the Big 12.

 

Texas was really starting to feel queasy now, sources said. UT officials knew deep down Texas A&M wasn't coming to the Pac-10, despite Bill Byrne's assurances, according to sources. And now Scott and Weiberg were looking to dump Oklahoma State in favor of Kansas. If A&M was a no-show, the Pac-10 would add Utah. Scott was looking to add new TV markets, not stick to the deal that was agreed upon a few days earlier.

[EhDubya]

Utah to Pac 10.

 

For those scoring at home, thats

 

Colorado and Utah to Pac10

Nebraska to Big Ten

Boise State to MWC

 

Anyone foresee any more changes happening? I'm talking to you, SEC.

[Foulacy]

Big three? There is not a big three. There are 2 teams in the big 12, OU and Texas. To put A&M on their level is hilarious. A&M sucks at football, basketball, and baseball. The only sport going on right now is baseball; OU is in the World Series, Texas made it to qualifying but lost to TCU, and A&M didn't even make it to qualifying and barely played .500 in the conference. At least Texas Tech had one good football season before OU put that down, A&M has always been worthless.

You are [expletive] clueless. Our football program has been down, but it is on the way back up. A 9-win season wouldn't surprise me this year. We still have work to do to catch Texas and OU. WTF is "qualifying" in regards to baseball? A&M won the conference tournament and were 1 win away from a Super Regional match-up with #3 Florida. And if you think think we suck at basketball, you may be too stupid to breathe. We are one of only TWO teams to advance to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament the past 5 years. Pittsburgh is the other. We are not an elite program yet, but we are now a consistent Top 25 team. Did someone from A&M [expletive] your girlfriend or something?

 

Let's just break it down by national championships in the big 3 sports.

 

Texas - 6 baseball, 4 football

Oklahoma - 7 football, 2 baseball

A&M - 1 football (1939)

Kansas - 3 basketball

Tech - 0

Kansas State - 0

Oklahoma State - 2 basketball, 1 baseball

Baylor - 0

Iowa State - 0

Missouri - 1

 

You can see that Texas and Oklahoma are ahead by a great deal, with OSU and Kansas being tied for third. Of course if you add in wrestling OSU blows everyone away, they have like 47 wrestling championships :lol:

[dew1679666265]

Utah to Pac 10.

 

For those scoring at home, thats

 

Colorado and Utah to Pac10

Nebraska to Big Ten

Boise State to MWC

 

Anyone foresee any more changes happening? I'm talking to you, SEC.

 

Unless the Big XII breaks up, I don't think the SEC will expand.

[SpongeWorthy]

Utah is a nice program. Those games are gonna be a bear for anyone in the Pac 10.

 

Although adding CU and Utah doesn't seem like the economic game changer that people said was the conferences primary motivation. I wonder where the Pac 10 championship game will be held now. Vegas would be great although they don't have the stadium for it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Utah to Pac 10.

 

For those scoring at home, thats

 

Colorado and Utah to Pac10

Nebraska to Big Ten

Boise State to MWC

 

Anyone foresee any more changes happening? I'm talking to you, SEC.

 

From what I hear, the SEC is happy with a 12-team conference right now. If another conference goes to 16, they will look to expand or if the right school (ie. aTm) were available and willing to join, they would look at it then. The SEC is not interested in expansion just for the sake of expansion.

[Old Style]

Let's just break it down by national championships in the big 3 sports.

Oh, so since I made you look like a moron you are changing your argument. I should have seen that one coming.

[SpongeWorthy]

A&M isn't on Texas or OU's level.

 

Texas Tech has gotten more nationwide attention in the last 5 or so years than A&M has.