NCAA Conference Realignment

[Derwood]

it isn't. that's never come up once

[Exile on Waveland]

it isn't. that's never come up once

 

Even if it is, so what? Obviously the Big 10 wanted to get stronger as a conference, otherwise they could have just added Creighton or any other podunk school. The point is, the Big 10 was fine as is, with annual television revenues $37 million greater than the almighty SEC (and $5 million more distributions per team). So the argument is that the Big 10 needed to make more than $37 million more than the SEC?

[Derwood]

it isn't. that's never come up once

 

Even if it is, so what? Obviously the Big 10 wanted to get stronger as a conference, otherwise they could have just added Creighton or any other podunk school. The point is, the Big 10 was fine as is, with annual television revenues $37 million greater than the almighty SEC (and $5 million more distributions per team). So the argument is that the Big 10 needed to make more than $37 million more than the SEC?

 

if the Big 10 wanted to "close the talent gap", why would they consider Nebraska or Notre Dame?

 

it's a silly argument, especially since the talent thing is cyclical. I'm sure RedFlash thinks the SEC will dominate for the next 7 decades, but anyone who remembers more than the past 3 years knows they won't

[kujay]

Heard on ESPN news a little while ago that KU is saying the Mountain West won't cut it. If all goes as expected now, won't that leave the Pac-10 with 15 teams? I guess if KU can't leave K-State that is out, but I'd think the Pac-10 would want KU as the 16th team.

[Jon]

Joe Schad had reported that Utah was a favorite over Kansas.

[bcl412]

Is there a chance that we'll have quite a few independents out of this? I can't imagine the non-invited teams (Bayler, Iowa State etc.) from the Big 12 will want to join a mid-major.

 

I'll admit that I haven't followed all of this that closely though so maybe they have been invited to another BCS conference and I just missed it.

[snoodmonger]

Joe Schad had reported that Utah was a favorite over Kansas.

 

There have been other reports that said otherwise. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that one.

[Jon]

Joe Schad had reported that Utah was a favorite over Kansas.

 

There have been other reports that said otherwise. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that one.

Well, it's a secondary concern right now for the Pac-10. Their priority right now is negotiating with Texas.

[snoodmonger]

Joe Schad had reported that Utah was a favorite over Kansas.

 

There have been other reports that said otherwise. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that one.

Well, it's a secondary concern right now for the Pac-10. Their priority right now is negotiating with Texas.

 

agreed. the 16th team can more or less be whoever as long as UT comes. OU is no small prize either.

[Andy]

Is there a chance that we'll have quite a few independents out of this? I can't imagine the non-invited teams (Bayler, Iowa State etc.) from the Big 12 will want to join a mid-major.

 

I'll admit that I haven't followed all of this that closely though so maybe they have been invited to another BCS conference and I just missed it.

I don't think a program of Baylor and Iowa State's caliber can exactly pull off independence. And you have the non-revenue sports to consider.

[Butterscup1679666578]

The only schools in the country that can pull off independent status are Notre Dame and Texas and that's probably it. Iowa State/Baylor as an independent would be a hilarious fail.

[UMFan83]

Kansas in the MWC would absolutely destroy their basketball program. They'd still get recruits being Kansas, but can you imagine them playing in a conference with the likes of Air Force, Wyoming, TCU, etc.

[Flames24Rulz]

Kansas in the MWC would absolutely destroy their basketball program. They'd still get recruits being Kansas, but can you imagine them playing in a conference with the likes of Air Force, Wyoming, TCU, etc.

 

If K-State goes with them, it's not as bad as initially thought. Plus you do have some decent programs in the MWC like Utah, San Diego St, and New Mexico. It's still a big drop from the Big 12, though.

 

And concerning Iowa State, there's talk that they'd go to the MAC if the Big 12 fully dissolves. Ouch.

[Jon]

PBC is done posting. He claims he got a cease and desist email from the Big Ten. I still believe at least some of what he said because up until now, he's pretty much been right. Chip Brown is backtracking on his statements from last week, though he still isn't saying anything about the Big Ten. It still seems Texas is negotiating, both externally with the Pac-10 and Big Ten and internally. It seems pretty clear that they won't be headed to the SEC, so they're likely waiting for A&M to make the next move. Possibly Oklahoma, as well. I don't think Texas will do anything until everyone knows that the Big 12 is gone.

[Sammys Boombox]

Mizzou is going to be left out in the cold. This is horrible. Just when the basketball program was turning around and we were doing better keeping our own high school kids in Missouri (football).

[javy knows my name]

It was sarcasm in replying to Butter's sarcasm, people. Calm down, take some deep breaths. Go to your respective happy places. It was a snarky comment generated from another snarky comment.

This is obviously true, because we all know how good you are at handling criticism

[OleMissCub]

Mizzou is going to be left out in the cold. This is horrible. Just when the basketball program was turning around and we were doing better keeping our own high school kids in Missouri (football).

 

I bet the SEC would have some interest in Mizzou

[EhDubya]

Re: Nebraska v. Iowa:

 

 

I'm as big a college football fan as you will find, and there is no chance that I would care to watch that game.

 

I think flat out refusing to watch a matchup of two top 25 teams automatically disqualifies you as being "as big a college football fan as you will find".

[Derwood]

if Kansas ends up at a mid-major, Bill Self will be out of there sooooo fast.....

[tadowdaddy]

Very interesting now. I can't wait for Monday/Tuesday..

 

1. Texas now stepping back a bit. First, aTm doesn't want to go to the Pac 10. They'd rather play in the SEC. Texas senators do not like the idea of splitting up the 2 schools, and have asked if they can meet with all 4 Big 12 Texas schools, in addition to Rice, UTEP, Houston, TCU etc. on Monday to discuss how splitting up Texas and aTm will impact the state of Texas from a financial perspective.

 

2. Texas AD would prefer to stay with the Big 12. It's the BOR that would rather move to the Pac 10 because they feel that they fit in better academically with those schools.

 

3. Fox wants to meet with the remaining Big 12 schools to show them how the new TV contract will pay. Rumored to be in line with the Pac 10's and SEC's TV contracts. If this thing is all about money, why include all that extra travel for your athletic teams when you can make nearly the same amount by playing the teams you already play?

 

4. In terms of KSU/KU/Mizzou, I'm being told by a friend of mine on the Kansas BOR that KSU and KU are working very well together right now to ensure that they end up in a BCS conference when it's all said and done. The BCS conference probably won't be the MWC, but instead a merge to the Big East. Would be a 12-14 team football league and a potential 20 team Bball league. Can you imagine how awesome adding an upcoming KSU and Mizzou along with KU to that bball league would be. Yikes... Talk about new recruiting ground and exposure for those basketball programs.

 

In the end it may all come down to UT finally realizing that a move isn't a good thing and staying in the Big 12. The Big 12 then adds a few more teams, and is back to status quo. But, will this all happen again a few years from now. Been a very interesting process thus far. After my talk with my Kansas BOR friend, I do feel much better about where KSU and KU will end up if this break up does happen.

[Old Style]

if Kansas ends up at a mid-major, Bill Self will be out of there sooooo fast.....

God, I hope that doesn't happen. I don't want KU coming after Mark Turgeon.

[Jon]

Very interesting now. I can't wait for Monday/Tuesday..

 

1. Texas now stepping back a bit. First, aTm doesn't want to go to the Pac 10. They'd rather play in the SEC. Texas senators do not like the idea of splitting up the 2 schools, and have asked if they can meet with all 4 Big 12 Texas schools, in addition to Rice, UTEP, Houston, TCU etc. on Monday to discuss how splitting up Texas and aTm will impact the state of Texas from a financial perspective.

 

2. Texas AD would prefer to stay with the Big 12. It's the BOR that would rather move to the Pac 10 because they feel that they fit in better academically with those schools.

 

3. Fox wants to meet with the remaining Big 12 schools to show them how the new TV contract will pay. Rumored to be in line with the Pac 10's and SEC's TV contracts. If this thing is all about money, why include all that extra travel for your athletic teams when you can make nearly the same amount by playing the teams you already play?

 

4. In terms of KSU/KU/Mizzou, I'm being told by a friend of mine on the Kansas BOR that KSU and KU are working very well together right now to ensure that they end up in a BCS conference when it's all said and done. The BCS conference probably won't be the MWC, but instead a merge to the Big East. Would be a 12-14 team football league and a potential 20 team Bball league. Can you imagine how awesome adding an upcoming KSU and Mizzou along with KU to that bball league would be. Yikes... Talk about new recruiting ground and exposure for those basketball programs.

 

In the end it may all come down to UT finally realizing that a move isn't a good thing and staying in the Big 12. The Big 12 then adds a few more teams, and is back to status quo. But, will this all happen again a few years from now. Been a very interesting process thus far. After my talk with my Kansas BOR friend, I do feel much better about where KSU and KU will end up if this break up does happen.

I think Texas was always going to try and wait this out. They're being courted by 3 conferences but also have a ton of political pressure on them. If they can wait out other schools, they won't be the bad guys here. The problem now, which was expected, is that everyone out of the loop up until this point is up in arms. They're pissed and making their own demands. The Texas administration, which itself isn't on the same page, has a tough road ahead navigating all of this.

 

If A&M and Oklahoma jump to the SEC, I'd have to imagine that Texas is headed to the Big Ten. It's the best fit for Texas except geographically. The Big Ten would be the best option for them in nearly every way, particularly since they'd be a fish out of water in the Pac-10, of sorts. Texas and A&M would work for the Big Ten, but I don't see A&M going along with it. And the Big Ten wouldn't be able to stomach Texas plus Tech or even Oklahoma. If only A&M heads east, then Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State will probably (but not definitely) stay together and head to the Pac-10. They'll have some strength in numbers there and will look out for each other in some ways. That creates a very profitable Pac-10 but also a situation prone to in-fighting and eventual instability. The top academic schools may approve that group, but they're going to be worried long-term.

 

The Notre Dame situation is going to have some impact on Texas, as well, but I can't see Notre Dame making a decision before Texas. The possibility of playing Notre Dame every (or most) years would be a cherry on top for Texas and could be a big influence on Notre Dame, as well.

 

And no way does Texas head to the SEC.

 

So now, does A&M make the next move? Would Oklahoma jump to the SEC if they get tired of waiting, as well? Texas A&M and Oklahoma are really the only two schools that have a significant say in where they end up aside from Texas. Everyone else just has to pray.

[snoodmonger]

sorry...a 20 team basketball league? That would suck donkey balls.

 

If this really is about football, if wonder if the Big East will ultimately have to cut ties with the one sport schools, even though those are some of their marquee schools from a hoops/academic perspective. (Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, Seton Hall, St. Johns, Providence, DePaul)

 

It sounds like 16 superconferences are going to be the first step toward the death of the tourney anyway. Once these 64 schools have all the clout in football, what's to stop them from organizing their own hoops tourney down the road?

[da bears]

I hope the mizzou officials at least contact the sec to see of there's any interest. Missouri is already bordered by 3 sec states, and there exists potential for a great rivalry between mizzou and Arkansas. And it gives the sec inroads to st Louis and Kansas city. Hopefully the subject is at least broached.

[snoodmonger]

Mizzou is going to be left out in the cold. This is horrible. Just when the basketball program was turning around and we were doing better keeping our own high school kids in Missouri (football).

 

I bet the SEC would have some interest in Mizzou

 

I agree. According to ESPN:

 

Looking beyond the Big 12 for expansion, specifically to the ACC for schools such as Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State or Miami, was not in the SEC's plans, sources told ESPN.

 

The sources saw no way the SEC would raid the ACC and added serious doubt that Virginia Tech could be pried away from Virginia.

 

The idea the SEC would go after Kansas was also dismissed, though a KU source said that would be a preference for the Jayhawks.

 

If those schools are off the table, then there aren't many other places to look. I think Missouri would get examined. (They'd be a great natural rival for Arkansas and open up some new markets.) maybe Memphis. Maybe they backtrack a bit on a few of the ACC schools.