NCAA Conference Realignment

[radarluv1]

Erik, theres really no coming back from listing ISU as a viable option. The other ISU makes as much sense.

How about KU becoming the ND of basketball? They could schedule as they pleased. They would have to have multiple Tv deals, a few games on CBS, ESPN, etc to make financial sense. In other sports they could sign up with the MWC or whoever.

[imb]

Hahahah, the last couple of pages have been excellent.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is Kansas even going to be allowed on TV the next couple years?

[Butterscup1679666578]

TMZ (lol) is reporting Oklahoma State is gone.

[Tracer Bullet]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

[Banedon]

TMZ (lol) is reporting Oklahoma State is gone.

 

As gossipy as all this is, it's only fair that TMZ gets to join in.

[Butterscup1679666578]

TMZ (lol) is reporting Oklahoma State is gone.

 

As gossipy as all this is, it's only fair that TMZ gets to join in.

 

Heck, I'm willing to give them more credit than some radio guy in KC or some schmuck who runs a Rivals site.

[Jon]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

Because decent TV revenue and a spot in BCS discussions are only a guarantee right now by joining a conference.

[Guest]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

 

Superconferences can lead to longer conference schedules and fewer guaranteed wins, which means fewer teams want to use non-conference games on competitive matchups, or on games on the road. If Notre Dame can't schedule anyone besides Kansas State and Air Force then they'll fall off the map. There's also the possibility that superconferences lead to conference championships becoming a play-in for a 4 team playoff, although that's less of a consideration.

[Tracer Bullet]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

Because decent TV revenue and a spot in BCS discussions are only a guarantee right now by joining a conference.

 

why?

[abuck1220]

Adding the Iowa St./Iowa game would be popular there, but it's not going to make the conference a huge payout.

It's not even really that popular outside of Ames.

 

oh bull [expletive]. i love when hawkeye fans act like they're above the iowa/isu game.

[abuck1220]

Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

 

seriously maybe my favorite sentence i've ever read here.

 

which tv market would you rather have...now hear me out...your choices are a) ames, iowa and b) dallas + houston + austin + san antonio + i don't know, mexico city. keep in mind how effing sweet an iowa/iowa state rivalry would be though before making your decision.

[Tracer Bullet]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

 

Superconferences can lead to longer conference schedules and fewer guaranteed wins, which means fewer teams want to use non-conference games on competitive matchups, or on games on the road. If Notre Dame can't schedule anyone besides Kansas State and Air Force then they'll fall off the map. There's also the possibility that superconferences lead to conference championships becoming a play-in for a 4 team playoff, although that's less of a consideration.

 

Right now the Pac-10 plays 9 conference games and 3 out of conference. USC as recently as 2 years ago played OSU and ND as 2 of its OOC games. Miami, OU, Texas, UM, MSU, and USC (and obviously Navy) are already on ND's schedule in the near future or very close to it. BC just signed up too.

 

I don't understand why super conferences have to lead to no OOC games. Most conference teams play 3-4 and ND has had no trouble scheduling games, even when ND was down (the only reason for their [expletive] schedule now is the last AD was stupid, with 7-4-1 scrapped, suddenly OU, Miami and Texas were interested). ND remains a cash cow and we all know from the way this has played out that cash still rules in the NCAA.

 

There's also no way the NCAA could exclude non-super conference teams from the national title. That's just not a concern.

[Guest]

The Pac-10 doesn't have a conference title game right now either, and the rest only play 8 games.

[jersey cubs fan]

Adding the Iowa St./Iowa game would be popular there, but it's not going to make the conference a huge payout.

It's not even really that popular outside of Ames.

 

oh bull [expletive]. i love when hawkeye fans act like they're above the iowa/isu game.

 

I've been to Kinnick many times, and I have to say that ISU games aren't nearly as intense as most big ten matchups. It doesn't stick out to me as a huge rivarly game, at least for gameday. I'm not sure about the rest of the week or how the bragging rights work and whatnot.

[Tracer Bullet]

The Pac-10 doesn't have a conference title game right now either, and the rest only play 8 games.

 

I realize that, which is why I said the conference teams play 3-4 OOC games.

[Jon]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

 

why?

Because decent TV revenue and a spot in BCS discussions are only a guarantee right now by joining a conference.

 

why?

The football contract with NBC runs out in 2015 and Notre Dame is barely getting half of what Big Ten teams pull in (soon to be less than half). Compared to the Big Ten and SEC, they're far from being in a stable TV situation. Finish up with a few below average years and NBC isn't exactly going to open up their wallets. And even if they do, it won't come close to what other schools are getting.

 

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

And "guarantee" is the key word. Yes, there's a chance they might not lose much by staying independent. But worst case scenario would leave them at a real disadvantage.

[jersey cubs fan]

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

I think that's the real kicker. They were able to demand a lot the last time they figured out the BCS, but probably not anymore.

[Tracer Bullet]

The football contract with NBC runs out in 2015 and Notre Dame is barely getting half of what Big Ten teams pull in (soon to be less than half). Compared to the Big Ten and SEC, they're far from being in a stable TV situation. Finish up with a few below average years and NBC isn't exactly going to open up their wallets. And even if they do, it won't come close to what other schools are getting.

 

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

first - your tv revenue numbers are just wrong. don't believe everything that you read (about both sides).

 

the rest of that is just speculation. you're talking in definite statements when you have no idea how the BCS title game will work. I don't know how anyone could at this point, with the potential for such a huge shakeup.

[snoodmonger]

Erik, theres really no coming back from listing ISU as a viable option. The other ISU makes as much sense.

How about KU becoming the ND of basketball? They could schedule as they pleased. They would have to have multiple Tv deals, a few games on CBS, ESPN, etc to make financial sense. In other sports they could sign up with the MWC or whoever.

 

 

works in october-december

 

finding anyone to schedule you during conference play would be nigh impossible. that's what, 16 games they'd have to find every year?

 

Not sure what the TV package demand would be either. I love to think the networks would be lining up, but that's wishful thinking.

[jersey cubs fan]

The football contract with NBC runs out in 2015 and Notre Dame is barely getting half of what Big Ten teams pull in (soon to be less than half). Compared to the Big Ten and SEC, they're far from being in a stable TV situation. Finish up with a few below average years and NBC isn't exactly going to open up their wallets. And even if they do, it won't come close to what other schools are getting.

 

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

first - your tv revenue numbers are just wrong. don't believe everything that you read (about both sides).

 

the rest of that is just speculation. you're talking in definite statements when you have no idea how the BCS title game will work. I don't know how anyone could at this point, with the potential for such a huge shakeup.

 

Sure, nobody knows for sure, at least us. But there's legitimate reasons for concern for ND. The uncertainty itself is a negative.

[Tracer Bullet]

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

I think that's the real kicker. They were able to demand a lot the last time they figured out the BCS, but probably not anymore.

 

again, why? you don't think ND has the same leverage with 4 superconferences (how these are made up, I still don't know, but that's another story) - why? what makes the situation so much different? Is the NCAA going to exclude all non-superconference teams from the title game?

[Tracer Bullet]

Erik, theres really no coming back from listing ISU as a viable option. The other ISU makes as much sense.

How about KU becoming the ND of basketball? They could schedule as they pleased. They would have to have multiple Tv deals, a few games on CBS, ESPN, etc to make financial sense. In other sports they could sign up with the MWC or whoever.

 

 

works in october-december

 

finding anyone to schedule you during conference play would be nigh impossible. that's what, 16 games they'd have to find every year?

 

Not sure what the TV package demand would be either. I love to think the networks would be lining up, but that's wishful thinking.

 

did anyone else hear the KU to the Big East possibility? why not just give the NCAA trophy do the Big East tourney champ?

[jersey cubs fan]

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

I think that's the real kicker. They were able to demand a lot the last time they figured out the BCS, but probably not anymore.

 

again, why? you don't think ND has the same leverage with 4 superconferences (how these are made up, I still don't know, but that's another story) - why? what makes the situation so much different? Is the NCAA going to exclude all non-superconference teams from the title game?

 

ND isn't what it used to be. The big conference's power has grown, while ND's has shrunk.

[Magnetic Curses]

i think that the big ten should let ku in, on the condition that bill self comes forward and finally admits that he drinks goat pee.