College Football Bowl Discussion

[SouthSideRyan]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

[Guest]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

 

You're implying that what happens on the field has nothing to do with who is crowned champion. That's completely false. It's far from a perfect system, but actual on-field results are still the overwhelming factor in who's crowned champ.

[Guest]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

 

You're implying that what happens on the field has nothing to do with who is crowned champion. That's completely false. It's far from a perfect system, but actual on-field results are still the overwhelming factor in who's crowned champ.

I'm not implying that at all. What happens on the pageant stage affects how the judges vote just as much as it does in football. Just b/c two chicks aren't wrestling on stage doesn't change anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

 

You're implying that what happens on the field has nothing to do with who is crowned champion. That's completely false. It's far from a perfect system, but actual on-field results are still the overwhelming factor in who's crowned champ.

 

He's implying that there is no objective determination of winners, which is absurd. There is some subjectivity, but it's nowhere near the level of a beauty pagent, or figure skating or anything else determined by judges. And the national championship is not the only thing that matters inintercollegiate sports. The game is what matters most and games are determined by the difference in actual scoring by actual players.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

 

You're implying that what happens on the field has nothing to do with who is crowned champion. That's completely false. It's far from a perfect system, but actual on-field results are still the overwhelming factor in who's crowned champ.

I'm not implying that at all. What happens on the pageant stage affects how the judges vote just as much as it does in football. Just b/c two chicks aren't wrestling on stage doesn't change anything.

 

It's nothing like that and it's actually quite stupid to suggest so.

[Guest]

 

The National Championship is in name only. NCAA football is a on the same competition level as a beauty pageant.

 

That's absurd.

No it's not.

 

Your move.

 

You're implying that what happens on the field has nothing to do with who is crowned champion. That's completely false. It's far from a perfect system, but actual on-field results are still the overwhelming factor in who's crowned champ.

 

He's implying that there is no objective determination of winners, which is absurd. There is some subjectivity, but it's nowhere near the level of a beauty pagent, or figure skating or anything else determined by judges. And the national championship is not the only thing that matters inintercollegiate sports. The game is what matters most and games are determined by the difference in actual scoring by actual players.

I'm not implying that either.

 

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that there is no real national champion that is determined by a direct competition. The BCS is as legit as whomever wins Miss America.

[Guest]

It's nothing like that and it's actually quite stupid to suggest so.

People were just bitching a few days ago about a coach voting some team #1 who they didn't think deserved it.

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/bridge/index.php?f=44&t=56310&rb_v=viewtopic&start=50

[Derwood]

There are 5 undefeated teams this year, and the two who are getting to play for the NC are there because coaches and sports writers decided in August that they were the most likely to be good. End of story. Had Cincy, TCU or Boise State been a pre-season #1 or #2 team, they would be playing for the title instead of Texas.

 

So go ahead and defend this system all you want, but it's completely and utterly broken

[Guest]

There are 5 undefeated teams this year, and the two who are getting to play for the NC are there because coaches and sports writers decided in August that they were the most likely to be good. End of story. Had Cincy, TCU or Boise State been a pre-season #1 or #2 team, they would be playing for the title instead of Texas.

 

So go ahead and defend this system all you want, but it's completely and utterly broken

What would have been great is if Texas lost to Nebraska and Alabama lost to Auburn but beat Florida.

 

Anyway, my solution would be to have more divisions in college football and then have several championships

 

Div I

 

Big 10

Big 12

SEC

ACC

Big East (with ND in conference)

Pac 10

C-USA

Mountain West

 

Div II

MAC

Sunbelt

Other conferences and independent teams in BCS left

 

Div III

whatever teams make up the second tier now (e.g, App. State)

 

Div IV

Div III schools

 

Figure out how to have an eight conferences in each of the upper two divisions and the conference champs from each qualify for the playoff.

[SouthSideRyan]

Your plan puts Boise St. in Division 2. And you can't just force teams to be in conferences/go down a division.

 

We all can agree, however that it would have been best for Bama and Texas to lose.

[dew1679666265]

There are 5 undefeated teams this year, and the two who are getting to play for the NC are there because coaches and sports writers decided in August that they were the most likely to be good. End of story. Had Cincy, TCU or Boise State been a pre-season #1 or #2 team, they would be playing for the title instead of Texas.

 

So go ahead and defend this system all you want, but it's completely and utterly broken

 

Same thing as in 2004 when Auburn was left out solely because they started the year voted lower in the polls by sports writers and Sports Information Directors.

 

Results on the field matter, but not significantly moreso than what SIDs and sports writers think.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that there is no real national champion that is determined by a direct competition. The BCS is as legit as whomever wins Miss America.

 

You said NCAA football and there is more to NCAA football than who wins the championship. Furthermore, pageants are completely subjective, while national championship is only partially subjective, but first and foremost based on objective win/loss situations.

 

It's a stupid comparison.

[Guest]

There are 5 undefeated teams this year, and the two who are getting to play for the NC are there because coaches and sports writers decided in August that they were the most likely to be good. End of story. Had Cincy, TCU or Boise State been a pre-season #1 or #2 team, they would be playing for the title instead of Texas.

 

So go ahead and defend this system all you want, but it's completely and utterly broken

 

Not if Texas was No. 1. Those three teams would all probably have stayed ahead of Texas but Bama would have absolutely jumped probably all four of the other teams had they been ranked lower with the schedule they played and the wins they got.

[Guest]

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that there is no real national champion that is determined by a direct competition. The BCS is as legit as whomever wins Miss America.

 

You said NCAA football and there is more to NCAA football than who wins the championship. Furthermore, pageants are completely subjective, while national championship is only partially subjective, but first and foremost based on objective win/loss situations.

 

It's a stupid comparison.

No, they are not based on objective wins and loss situations. There times when teams win and drop and times when teams lose and don't drop. There have been times when two teams won and one team jumped the other in the polls.

 

You can call it stupid if you like though.

[Derwood]

The point is that the system rewards teams for living up to expectations, and penalizes them for playing better than expectations

[jersey cubs fan]

The worst part of bowl season is definitely all the babies crying about bowls and the BCS, followed by waiting for the bowls to start.

 

The other day a sportswriter in the metro tried to write something about how college football isn't really a sport and isn't really followed by anybody, and used as his primary argument the fact that it's not big in NY, becuase there's so much more worthy stuff to follow. Nevermind the fact that NY has tons of OSU, PSU, UM, ND and other large fan bases that very much do follow it. But a large chunk of the football fan population went to Ivies or other small northeastern schools where it's nearly impossible to find their team on TV. But bars are packed with college football fans all season. And the closest thing to a hometown team is Syracuse, which is miles away, and maybe Rutgers, which nobody followed until Schiano. He also said it's only followed in places were "fringe thinkers" live.

 

You gotta love how everybody is all giddy about college football during the season, then whine about how awful and meaningless it is and how it's a fringe sport akin to beauty pageants at the end. It's one thing to be disappointed in the lack of a true chamionship, but to pretend it's this tremendous travesty and ultimately a fake sport is just laughable.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that there is no real national champion that is determined by a direct competition. The BCS is as legit as whomever wins Miss America.

 

You said NCAA football and there is more to NCAA football than who wins the championship. Furthermore, pageants are completely subjective, while national championship is only partially subjective, but first and foremost based on objective win/loss situations.

 

It's a stupid comparison.

No, they are not based on objective wins and loss situations. There times when teams win and drop and times when teams lose and don't drop. There have been times when two teams won and one team jumped the other in the polls.

 

You can call it stupid if you like though.

 

The sport is played on the field and games are determined by who scores more points. It's not all about who is ranked where.

[SpongeWorthy]

The worst part of bowl season is definitely all the babies crying about bowls and the BCS, followed by waiting for the bowls to start.

 

The other day a sportswriter in the metro tried to write something about how college football isn't really a sport and isn't really followed by anybody, and used as his primary argument the fact that it's not big in NY, becuase there's so much more worthy stuff to follow. Nevermind the fact that NY has tons of OSU, PSU, UM, ND and other large fan bases that very much do follow it. But a large chunk of the football fan population went to Ivies or other small northeastern schools where it's nearly impossible to find their team on TV. But bars are packed with college football fans all season. And the closest thing to a hometown team is Syracuse, which is miles away, and maybe Rutgers, which nobody followed until Schiano. He also said it's only followed in places were "fringe thinkers" live.

 

You gotta love how everybody is all giddy about college football during the season, then whine about how awful and meaningless it is and how it's a fringe sport akin to beauty pageants at the end. It's one thing to be disappointed in the lack of a true chamionship, but to pretend it's this tremendous travesty and ultimately a fake sport is just laughable.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~chesler/Blog/ninth_avenue.jpg

[dew1679666265]

The worst part of bowl season is definitely all the babies crying about bowls and the BCS, followed by waiting for the bowls to start.

 

The other day a sportswriter in the metro tried to write something about how college football isn't really a sport and isn't really followed by anybody, and used as his primary argument the fact that it's not big in NY, becuase there's so much more worthy stuff to follow. Nevermind the fact that NY has tons of OSU, PSU, UM, ND and other large fan bases that very much do follow it. But a large chunk of the football fan population went to Ivies or other small northeastern schools where it's nearly impossible to find their team on TV. But bars are packed with college football fans all season. And the closest thing to a hometown team is Syracuse, which is miles away, and maybe Rutgers, which nobody followed until Schiano. He also said it's only followed in places were "fringe thinkers" live.

 

You gotta love how everybody is all giddy about college football during the season, then whine about how awful and meaningless it is and how it's a fringe sport akin to beauty pageants at the end. It's one thing to be disappointed in the lack of a true chamionship, but to pretend it's this tremendous travesty and ultimately a fake sport is just laughable.

 

I think it's frustrating to many people to put so much into the season every year and then get to bowl season and watch scenarios like Wisconsin falling from a better bowl because they won't travel - not because of anything they did on the field - or a not-as-exciting bowl matchup of TCU/Boise being made just so the NCAA won't have to watch another Utah/Bama upset.

 

It's still a great game, but I think they're missing an opportunity to make it that much better if they were to go to a playoff system.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's still a great game, but I think they're missing an opportunity to make it that much better if they were to go to a playoff system.

 

I can buy that, but it's the people who all of a sudden pretend college football is only about the BCS and therefore not a sport, let alone a sport worth watching all year.

[bukie]

It's still a great game, but I think they're missing an opportunity to make it that much better if they were to go to a playoff system.

 

I can buy that, but it's the people who all of a sudden pretend college football is only about the BCS and therefore not a sport, let alone a sport worth watching all year.

Sure they weren't Illini football fans? Because that was not a sport worth watching all year.

[ISUCubsFan]

I've been seeing these stats thrown around on a couple of sites. I'm too lazy to check them myself, but they're pretty impressive if true.

 

Alabama D-Line Season Totals

98tkl - 23.5tfl - 9.5sk - 20qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 3bk

 

Florida D-Line Season Totals

112tkl - 33tfl - 14sk - 48qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 0bk

 

Texas D-Line Season Totals

116tkl - 25.5tfl - 15.5sk - 10qbh - 7pbu - 0int - 2ff - 0bk

 

Suh Season Totals

82tkl - 23tfl - 12sk - 24qbh - 10pbu - 1int - 1ff - 3bk

[weis21]

I'm about a week late (and no one probably cares anyway) but how about those Pirates of ECU? Woot!

 

That was a great win by ECU. I really thought Houston would have too much offense, but didn't expect the strong offense from the Pirates.

 

Holtz is making it hard for a BCS conference school to keep overlooking him.

Yeah, when we didn't make the cut the last time the Big East expanded it was a tough pill to swallow. I think the basketball team really held them down, but ECU's baseball program can compete with just about anyone.

 

Unless the Big East expands again (doubtful), I'm not sure who would be a viable candidate to pick up ECU. Therefore, I think Holtz may be gone within the next couple of years. That said, he's a good recruiter but not special when it comes to in-game coaching strategy. Often times he wins with the talent he has in spite of his coaching, not vice versa.

[Guest]

Very good game between Villanova and William and Mary tonight. Villanova won 14-13 and will play the winner of App St.-Montana in the title game.