Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[javy knows my name]

Cody (Mount Vernon, IA)

 

Would Josh Vitters, Jake Fox, and Jay Jackson be enough for the Cubs to land Curtis Granderson if he really is available? Would you do that deal if you were the Cubs?

 

Jim Callis (2:12 PM)

 

 

I would think so. The Tigers have to dump salary, so I might try to hold onto Vitters and see if Detroit would take Ryan Flaherty, or hold onto Jackson and offer a lesser pitcher. But the Cubs are in win-now mode, and I think they'd bite.

 

I would do Flaherty, Fox, and Jackson for Granderson. But that's the most I would offer.

 

I dont think that would be enough, they would definitely want at least another prospect or another two mid level prospects. Flaherty to me isn't worth a great deal.

 

 

I was going off of the Jim Callis quote above.

Yeah, and I don't agree with Callis, either.

[Backtobanks]

Yeah, not sure why anyone would be opposed to trading Theriot.

 

I'm sure Hendry doesn't want to take a chance on the team until Blanco/Castro proves they can hit consistently at the ML level.

 

Nobody wants Ryan Theriot on their team; they just say they do. And FTR, I'd substitute Marmol for Vitters in a deal 9 times out of 10.

 

If Marmol gets back in the groove, you would be creating quite a hole on the ML roster to protect Vitters.

 

Theriot or Marmol in a smaller package (one other player) might be okay for Granderson, but some of the posts were suggesting a 4-player package with Theriot and/or Marmol.

[javy knows my name]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year. Marmol is a guy who is prime for trading right now - his perceived value is higher than his actual value to the Cubs (because of the risk he brings).

 

There is no Marmol/Theriot for me. There's Marmol, and there's Theriot. When it comes to Granderson, offering Marmol, JJax and Burke is too much, whereas Theriot, Jackson and Burke is kind of a steal. I'm ok with Blanco patrolling short if we can sign a stopgap 2B and have Granderson and his production 3 out of 4 days in CF and Fuku in his element in RF. I'd call that a productive offseason and watch Theriot get overpaid on another team in a year or so with 20-y-o Castro coming to take his place at league minimum.

[Backtobanks]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year. Marmol is a guy who is prime for trading right now - his perceived value is higher than his actual value to the Cubs (because of the risk he brings).

 

There is no Marmol/Theriot for me. There's Marmol, and there's Theriot. When it comes to Granderson, offering Marmol, JJax and Burke is too much, whereas Theriot, Jackson and Burke is kind of a steal. I'm ok with Blanco patrolling short if we can sign a stopgap 2B and have Granderson and his production 3 out of 4 days in CF and Fuku in his element in RF. I'd call that a productive offseason and watch Theriot get overpaid on another team in a year or so with 20-y-o Castro coming to take his place at league minimum.

 

I understand your point, but that's assuming Blanco can hit well enough until Castro arrives and then hoping Castro is the real deal. Blanco, Granderson, and Fukudome could get really ugly against LHP.

[inari]

Yeah, not sure why anyone would be opposed to trading Theriot.

 

I'm sure Hendry doesn't want to take a chance on the team until Blanco/Castro proves they can hit consistently at the ML level.

 

Nobody wants Ryan Theriot on their team; they just say they do. And FTR, I'd substitute Marmol for Vitters in a deal 9 times out of 10.

 

If Marmol gets back in the groove, you would be creating quite a hole on the ML roster to protect Vitters.

 

Theriot or Marmol in a smaller package (one other player) might be okay for Granderson, but some of the posts were suggesting a 4-player package with Theriot and/or Marmol.

 

Theriot and Marmol simply aren't comparable entities. It's not an interchangeable thing. If adding in Theriot to any package is what got us Granderson, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it.

[jiml60]

Letting Hendry trade for Granderson has potential disaster written all over it. If Ricketts was serious about building the system thru the farm system, I'll be very disappointed if he allows Hendry to trade away any of the top tier prospects.

[17 Seconds]

i don't think it would take castro to get granderson, and i wouldn't have a problem giving up vitters. i'd rather lose vitters than jayjax, actually

[javy knows my name]

Yeah, not sure why anyone would be opposed to trading Theriot.

 

I'm sure Hendry doesn't want to take a chance on the team until Blanco/Castro proves they can hit consistently at the ML level.

 

Nobody wants Ryan Theriot on their team; they just say they do. And FTR, I'd substitute Marmol for Vitters in a deal 9 times out of 10.

 

If Marmol gets back in the groove, you would be creating quite a hole on the ML roster to protect Vitters.

 

Theriot or Marmol in a smaller package (one other player) might be okay for Granderson, but some of the posts were suggesting a 4-player package with Theriot and/or Marmol.

 

Theriot and Marmol simply aren't comparable entities. It's not an interchangeable thing. If adding in Theriot to any package is what got us Granderson, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it.

yo did you read my post

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year.

 

I don't really care about Vitters because he hasn't done crap outside of one hot month as a pro. Doesn't look at all like he's going to be a solid replacement at 3B for when Ramirez leaves.

[javy knows my name]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year.

 

I don't really care about Vitters because he hasn't done crap outside of one hot month as a pro. Doesn't look at all like he's going to be a solid replacement at 3B for when Ramirez leaves.

I can see that, especially because there are concerns he'll be able to stick at 3B defensively. The real question is this, though - do you think his perceived value is higher than his value to our club as it stands now? I'm honestly not sure, but I'm leaning toward "no."

[Guest]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year.

 

I don't really care about Vitters because he hasn't done crap outside of one hot month as a pro. Doesn't look at all like he's going to be a solid replacement at 3B for when Ramirez leaves.

I can see that, especially because there are concerns he'll be able to stick at 3B defensively. The real question is this, though - do you think his perceived value is higher than his value to our club as it stands now? I'm honestly not sure, but I'm leaning toward "no."

I think the Cubs have his perceived value higher than his actual value. He's still very young but at this point there are a lot more questions than answers.

 

I would trade him, but I don't know if I'd do it for Granderson. I probably would if I thought Granderson could help put the Cubs in a much stronger position to win, but I fear that isn't in the cards for this group.

[PrimeTime]

Roto

 

Phil Rogers says that many in the Cubs front office feel it would be "foolish" to trade prospect Starlin Castro to Detroit for Curtis Granderson.

 

Castro has quickly established himself as the best Cubs prospect after his showing in the Arizona Fall League. Granderson, conversely, has been one of the best centerfielders in the game (against right-handed pitching) and is thought to be available. Rogers, who writes for the Chicago Tribune, says that Cubs GM Jim Hendry "appreciates" what Granderson brings to the table and wonders if new hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo could help address Granderson's platoon issues. If the Cubs won't give Castro up in a Granderson deal, it will be extremely tough to pull off.

Source: Boston Herald

[Shilzzz]

the more rumors that pop up the more i get a little worried this is going to become a felix pie, rich hill situation with castro.

[SouthSideRyan]

the more rumors that pop up the more i get a little worried this is going to become a felix pie, rich hill situation with castro.

 

Those 2 situations weren't really the same.

[PrimeTime]

Im split on it, I don't want to trade him because we haven't had a good SS in the organization since Dunston and would love to have him succeed and have an awesome defender and offensive output from him, but the guy hasn't seen major league pitching yet so it could just turn out to be a bust and be a Andres Blanco type player, so I would wanna to it to someone who is proven and could help us out right away like Granderson.

[Shilzzz]

the more rumors that pop up the more i get a little worried this is going to become a felix pie, rich hill situation with castro.

 

Those 2 situations weren't really the same.

 

Yeah, regardless, I am saying that this situation reminds me of times in the past where the Cubs have had prospects who were highly valued by other GMs and down the road didn't end up with much value out of them. Hill had a good short stint in Chicago, but Cubs prospects under the current farm system instruction (esp position players, we have recieved good value from pitchers) just never figure it out, and can't take a pitch to save their lives.

[sneakypower]

Im split on it, I don't want to trade him because we haven't had a good SS in the organization since Dunston and would love to have him succeed and have an awesome defender and offensive output from him, but the guy hasn't seen major league pitching yet so it could just turn out to be a bust and be a Andres Blanco type player, so I would wanna to it to someone who is proven and could help us out right away like Granderson.

Blanco hit .247/.299/.290 in AA

[PrimeTime]

Im split on it, I don't want to trade him because we haven't had a good SS in the organization since Dunston and would love to have him succeed and have an awesome defender and offensive output from him, but the guy hasn't seen major league pitching yet so it could just turn out to be a bust and be a Andres Blanco type player, so I would wanna to it to someone who is proven and could help us out right away like Granderson.

Blanco hit .247/.299/.290 in AA

 

I know he's always been terrible offensively throughout the minors, I meant, I just hope he doesn't become one of those AAAA players who finally gets to the show and can't perform then all his value is diminished then we regret not trading, when we could've gotten Granderson for him..

[CubsWin]

Don't get me wrong; I don't want to lose Marmol or treat him like a throw-in in a trade. Unfortunately, it almost seems like some want to treat Vitters in just that way because of a little drop in his stock this year.

 

I don't really care about Vitters because he hasn't done crap outside of one hot month as a pro. Doesn't look at all like he's going to be a solid replacement at 3B for when Ramirez leaves.

While I feel much the same way, right now, as you do about Vitters, to describe him the way you did is pretty inaccurate.

[CubsWin]

I think Granderson would be a great get. If Marmol must go, I'm fine with that. Marmol and some prospects, great. But what options are out there at closer to replace him?

[Guest]

I think Granderson would be a great get. If Marmol must go, I'm fine with that. Marmol and some prospects, great. But what options are out there at closer to replace him?

 

No one that wouldn't cost you a small fortune for. This Cubs team isn't in a position to trade a lot of their farm talent for someone like Granderson. I would just sign Cameron and hope you get a major league player that is serviceable for Bradley. This team probably isn't going to be in a position to win it this coming year anyway, so why continue the endless cycle of emptying the farm for guys who aren't good enough to turn the team around.

[davearm2]

I think Granderson would be a great get. If Marmol must go, I'm fine with that. Marmol and some prospects, great. But what options are out there at closer to replace him?

 

No one that wouldn't cost you a small fortune for. This Cubs team isn't in a position to trade a lot of their farm talent for someone like Granderson. I would just sign Cameron and hope you get a major league player that is serviceable for Bradley. This team probably isn't going to be in a position to win it this coming year anyway, so why continue the endless cycle of emptying the farm for guys who aren't good enough to turn the team around.

Yes, because the majors are just littered with former Cub prospects that went onto stellar careers after Hendry traded them.

 

The endless cycle is of emptying the farm of the AAAA talent.

[dew1679666265]

I think Granderson would be a great get. If Marmol must go, I'm fine with that. Marmol and some prospects, great. But what options are out there at closer to replace him?

 

No one that wouldn't cost you a small fortune for. This Cubs team isn't in a position to trade a lot of their farm talent for someone like Granderson. I would just sign Cameron and hope you get a major league player that is serviceable for Bradley. This team probably isn't going to be in a position to win it this coming year anyway, so why continue the endless cycle of emptying the farm for guys who aren't good enough to turn the team around.

 

Billy Wagner probably wouldn't be a small fortune (especially in terms of years), but while there are some very good closer options, they're all likely to be very expensive.

[Guancous]

From Baseball Prospectus:

 

Guancous (Silver Spring, MD): Wiser for the Cubs: Short-term deal for Marlon Byrd or trade blue chip prospects for Curtis Granderson?

 

Eric Seidman: Granderson is a legit starter, Byrd is a fourth outfielder with a power surge in Texas that masked his true abilities, who will cost much more than he merits. Go for Grandy.

[Backtobanks]

From Baseball Prospectus:

 

Guancous (Silver Spring, MD): Wiser for the Cubs: Short-term deal for Marlon Byrd or trade blue chip prospects for Curtis Granderson?

 

Eric Seidman: Granderson is a legit starter, Byrd is a fourth outfielder with a power surge in Texas that masked his true abilities, who will cost much more than he merits. Go for Grandy.

 

I think Seidman is crazy to call Byrd a 4th OF. While we would all love to see Granderson on the Cubs, I don't think Byrd is a bad option. Of course, you would have to factor in the cost (in prospects) of getting Granderson with the cost (in dollars and years) to get Byrd.

2007-2009:

Byrd - .295/.352/.468/.820

Granderson - .277/.350/.499/.849

 

Looking at those numbers, there aren't many teams that wouldn't love to have Byrd's numbers for their CF. I think it's a tough decision if you're talking 3-4 players from Marmol, Vitters, Castro, Casner, Jackson, etc. for Granderson as opposed to $16 - $18 million over 2 years for Byrd.