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Yes, yes he did.

 

He averaged 31.5 points per game (higher than 3 of the 6 championship playoffs), 6.5 rebounds (higher than 4 of 6), 4.5 assists (higher than 2 of the 6), shot .484 (higher than 4 of the 6), .367 on 3-pters (higher than 2 of the 6), 1.4 blocks (higher than all 6) and finally 2.3 steals (higher than all 6).

 

Jordan did average or better in 5 of the stats and worse than average in just two. He was not the reason you lost early that year and Chicago fans need to stop using it as an excuse because it is lame is has no ground to stand on.

Yeah cause that next year after he knocked the rust off, he really sucked. They limped to the playoffs and lucked out once they got there. GTFOOH. The bulls easily win the first year he's out, hell they almost did without him if it wasn't for Hue Hollins being awful. He doesn't retire you are looking at 8 in a row.

 

The rust was off in the playoffs. I just showed you that Jordan did as well in those playoffs as the years before and after. His being gone was not the reason you lost the second year. He was back for the playoffs the second year and was every bit as dominant. You got beat early in the playoffs because everyone not named Pippen and Jordan didn't do well.

I wonder if MJ had never left if we would had let Horace Grant walk??? Nope probably not.

 

horace had made the decision to walk before jordan decided to retire. one of the reasons he had decided to leave was jordan himself. mj ran him off, he hated him with a passion.

True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.
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True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.

 

So let me get this straight ... because MJ retired you are saying the Bulls decided not to try and replace Horace Grant? If anything MJ retiring would make them want to replace Horace Grant even more because they knew they would be hurting.

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True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.

 

So let me get this straight ... because MJ retired you are saying the Bulls decided not to try and replace Horace Grant? If anything MJ retiring would make them want to replace Horace Grant even more because they knew they would be hurting.

Probably not with the same sense of urgency since they didn't think they would have Jordan to compete for the title. This shouldn't be that hard to understand. You had a nice two year run because Jordan retired for, gasp, two years. Must have been a coincidence. :roll:

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True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.

 

So let me get this straight ... because MJ retired you are saying the Bulls decided not to try and replace Horace Grant? If anything MJ retiring would make them want to replace Horace Grant even more because they knew they would be hurting.

Probably not with the same sense of urgency since they didn't think they would have Jordan to compete for the title. This shouldn't be that hard to understand. You had a nice two year run because Jordan retired for, gasp, two years. Must have been a coincidence. :roll:

 

He didn't retire for 2 years. He retired for 1 1/2. This is the root of the whole problem. Bulls fans want to ignore Jordan did come back and DID dominate in the playoffs.

 

Your Grant comment still makes no sense. They made the playoffs and were still trying to win. Losing a guy who just average 15 and 11 means you would try to replace. Your theory is the Bulls lost Jordan, made the playoffs next year and then decided to just throw in the towel because they had no chance.

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True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.

 

So let me get this straight ... because MJ retired you are saying the Bulls decided not to try and replace Horace Grant? If anything MJ retiring would make them want to replace Horace Grant even more because they knew they would be hurting.

Probably not with the same sense of urgency since they didn't think they would have Jordan to compete for the title. This shouldn't be that hard to understand. You had a nice two year run because Jordan retired for, gasp, two years. Must have been a coincidence. :roll:

 

He didn't retire for 2 years. He retired for 1 1/2. This is the root of the whole problem. Bulls fans want to ignore Jordan did come back and DID dominate in the playoffs.

 

Your Grant comment still makes no sense. They made the playoffs and were still trying to win. Losing a guy who just average 15 and 11 means you would try to replace. Your theory is the Bulls lost Jordan, made the playoffs next year and then decided to just throw in the towel because they had no chance.

We still had no power forward to speak of, Kukoc was playing it. Once we knew Jordan was back we went out and got Rodman and started teabaggin people.

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True, but you have to think we would have replaced him if MJ was still playing.

 

So let me get this straight ... because MJ retired you are saying the Bulls decided not to try and replace Horace Grant? If anything MJ retiring would make them want to replace Horace Grant even more because they knew they would be hurting.

Probably not with the same sense of urgency since they didn't think they would have Jordan to compete for the title. This shouldn't be that hard to understand. You had a nice two year run because Jordan retired for, gasp, two years. Must have been a coincidence. :roll:

 

He didn't retire for 2 years. He retired for 1 1/2. This is the root of the whole problem. Bulls fans want to ignore Jordan did come back and DID dominate in the playoffs.

 

Your Grant comment still makes no sense. They made the playoffs and were still trying to win. Losing a guy who just average 15 and 11 means you would try to replace. Your theory is the Bulls lost Jordan, made the playoffs next year and then decided to just throw in the towel because they had no chance.

We still had no power forward to speak of, Kukoc was playing it. Once we knew Jordan was back we went out and got Rodman and started teabaggin people.

 

16 pts, 5 rebounds and 5 assists is not good? Kukoc was a good PF and is a player most people know of. What you didn't have is rebounding. Will Perdue and Luc Longley blew chunks and while Kukoc was very good he wasn't a rebounder. Again it seems very doubtful to me that the Bulls decided to not sign anyone to replace Grant because of Jordan retiring a full year before. They still tried to win when Jordan was out which is why they made the playoffs. It seems much more likely they thought they had a replacement already in house and after two years of no rebounding, the second with Jordan back and dominating in the playoffs, they realized that to win they need a strong rebounder. They found the perfect one in Rodman because he was the best at rebounding and didn't care to score allowing Jordan, Pippen and Kukoc to handle it.

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Tony Kukoc was a great player. He was never a true 4. When he had to play there the Bulls struggled. He was a very good 3 that could play point forward when needed. Had Jordan been playing the entire time, they for sure would have replaced Grant a lot quicker than they did. Hell he might not have left since they would have won another title in his walk year.

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Watching the Cleveland offense is painful. I really can't believe that they haven't made any adjustments at all from where they were last year. It's still the "spread out and let LeBron come off the high screen." Granted, it's effective when you've got the equivalent of a Mack truck barreling down the lane, but if it wasn't good enough to get the Cavs into the Finals last season, why is it going to change this season?

 

Last night was a great win for the Cavs, but every time I watch them I get confused as to why they refuse to get a legitimate point guard. It's hindsight now, but Raymond Felton would make them a Finals lock. Besides giving them great, physical defense at the point, he would be the only point guard LeBron has ever had that could actually create shots for him. Maybe this means no Anthony Parker, but who cares?

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Watching the Cleveland offense is painful. I really can't believe that they haven't made any adjustments at all from where they were last year. It's still the "spread out and let LeBron come off the high screen." Granted, it's effective when you've got the equivalent of a Mack truck barreling down the lane, but if it wasn't good enough to get the Cavs into the Finals last season, why is it going to change this season?

 

Last night was a great win for the Cavs, but every time I watch them I get confused as to why they refuse to get a legitimate point guard. It's hindsight now, but Raymond Felton would make them a Finals lock. Besides giving them great, physical defense at the point, he would be the only point guard LeBron has ever had that could actually create shots for him. Maybe this means no Anthony Parker, but who cares?

 

LeBron is a Top 10 assist guy in the league, taking the ball out of his hands more for a point guard would make them less efficient. As for their offense, it might seem that way because of LeBron's involvement(which is absolutely what they should do given his talents), but there is definitely some sophistication. Here's an example: Link

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Watching the Cleveland offense is painful. I really can't believe that they haven't made any adjustments at all from where they were last year. It's still the "spread out and let LeBron come off the high screen." Granted, it's effective when you've got the equivalent of a Mack truck barreling down the lane, but if it wasn't good enough to get the Cavs into the Finals last season, why is it going to change this season?

 

Last night was a great win for the Cavs, but every time I watch them I get confused as to why they refuse to get a legitimate point guard. It's hindsight now, but Raymond Felton would make them a Finals lock. Besides giving them great, physical defense at the point, he would be the only point guard LeBron has ever had that could actually create shots for him. Maybe this means no Anthony Parker, but who cares?

 

LeBron is a Top 10 assist guy in the league, taking the ball out of his hands more for a point guard would make them less efficient. As for their offense, it might seem that way because of LeBron's involvement(which is absolutely what they should do given his talents), but there is definitely some sophistication. Here's an example: Link

 

Yep. You either double team LeBron and he finds the open man or you don't and he gets to the rim. Both are high percentage. That philosophy has problems when you run into a team that has multiple good perimeter defenders. One limits LeBron (not completely stoppable) and the other defends the other perimeter guys who LeBron likes to hit when he gets doubled. This is why I think the Lakers in a series beat Cleveland unless LeBron is on every game. Kobe/Artest (or Ariza last year) are both great perimeter defenders. If I recall LeBron also sturggles a lot with Houston because they have had Battier for awhile now and normally have another good perimeter defender (plus Yao around the rim).

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Watching the Cleveland offense is painful. I really can't believe that they haven't made any adjustments at all from where they were last year. It's still the "spread out and let LeBron come off the high screen." Granted, it's effective when you've got the equivalent of a Mack truck barreling down the lane, but if it wasn't good enough to get the Cavs into the Finals last season, why is it going to change this season?

 

Last night was a great win for the Cavs, but every time I watch them I get confused as to why they refuse to get a legitimate point guard. It's hindsight now, but Raymond Felton would make them a Finals lock. Besides giving them great, physical defense at the point, he would be the only point guard LeBron has ever had that could actually create shots for him. Maybe this means no Anthony Parker, but who cares?

You really that sold on Ray Felton? I think I would rather have Mo Williams than him, but i haven't seen as much of him this year since I didn't get the League Pass. He has a better per than Raymond.

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LeBron is a Top 10 assist guy in the league, taking the ball out of his hands more for a point guard would make them less efficient. As for their offense, it might seem that way because of LeBron's involvement(which is absolutely what they should do given his talents), but there is definitely some sophistication. Here's an example: Link

 

Yep. You either double team LeBron and he finds the open man or you don't and he gets to the rim. Both are high percentage. That philosophy has problems when you run into a team that has multiple good perimeter defenders. One limits LeBron (not completely stoppable) and the other defends the other perimeter guys who LeBron likes to hit when he gets doubled. This is why I think the Lakers in a series beat Cleveland unless LeBron is on every game. Kobe/Artest (or Ariza last year) are both great perimeter defenders. If I recall LeBron also sturggles a lot with Houston because they have had Battier for awhile now and normally have another good perimeter defender (plus Yao around the rim).

 

The Cavs offense has always ran through LeBron in some fashion. Cavs the Blog mentioned this, but two years ago LeBron was upset because he was not getting any easy baskets. It appears from their research that Mo Williams has improved the amount of easy points they are getting, so maybe they don't need a true point guard. And I recall criticism of their offense just last summer.

 

Re: Felton -- He has improved this season because of Stephen Jackson. Jackson's really boosted the entire Charlotte team, but last week I watched two Bobcats games and Felton's passing was off-the-charts good.

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