Re: General NBA Thread

[Guest]

Danny Ferry is the best. Jamison for essentially pick 32 and 30 days without Ilgauskas. And now I don't even have to pretend to care about the NBA draft this year.

[Mike Aller]

Danny Ferry is the best. Jamison for essentially pick 32 and 30 days without Ilgauskas. And now I don't even have to pretend to care about the NBA draft this year.

With Kerr and Ferry being friends, it makes me wonder how seriously the Cavs were really going after Amar'e. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they would have loved Amar'e as well, but Jamison appears to have been their first pick the entire time. Entering not so private talks with the Suns about Amar'e helped the Suns gain some leverage over Miami and the Cavaliers do the same with Washington. Regardless, great trade. Worked out pretty fantastic.

[tfarks]

Aaaand Troy Murphy will be on the Pacers until the end of time.

 

I actually like the fact that he will stay, because expiring contracts are pure gold and the Pacers will have plenty next season.

 

However, now how do they fix their luxury tax situation? Simon can't possibly want to take that hit on the books.

[SpongeWorthy]

Aaaand Troy Murphy will be on the Pacers until the end of time.

 

I actually like the fact that he will stay, because expiring contracts are pure gold and the Pacers will have plenty next season.

 

However, now how do they fix their luxury tax situation? Simon can't possibly want to take that hit on the books.

 

They'll need to hold on to Murphy to prepare for the upcoming Race War prophesized by Charlie Manson.

[JonJayCutler]

Although this trade does make the Cavs a better team it also puts even more pressure on them to make the finals. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[Derwood]

RUMOR: Nate Robinson to Boston for Eddie House

[Cubswin11]

Rockets get: Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez

Sacramento gets: T-Mac, Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and Cash

 

Teams are working on getting the Knicks involved to send T-Mac there.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

[Sammy Sofa]

Hmmmm, my LeBron outta Cleveland theory seems to have taken a hit with a pretty awesome trade.

[SpongeWorthy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

 

Looks like the Tmac deal is finally done as a 3 way.

[CubbieBum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

 

Looks like the Tmac deal is finally done as a 3 way.

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

So we got the original Knicks trade for T-Mac. Making it a 3-way basically means we traded Landry for Martin. Really don't like that and not just because I am biased towards Landry. Just at a quick glance it is obvious to me that it's not a good swap. Landry is a lot more efficient and costs a heck of a lot less. Basically we have up a more efficient player who fits our team for a player who is less efficient and costs a lot more.

 

It only gets worse we you dig deeper. Martin is shooting under 40% and needs to dominate the ball to score. That basically means he and Brooks can't be on the court at the same time because both need to have the ball to be productive. Brooks excels on offense because he drives with speed and dishes if help comes over.

 

So not only did we trade for a much less efficient player who costs more but he also doesn't fit our team well. We are also now thin at PF and our starter still doesn't match with Yao. They both are post scorers who both score by have some savvy post moves. This is why Scola disappears when Yao is in. Yao gets to post up and Scola doesn't have a very good jumper.

[hawkeyecub]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

 

Looks like the Tmac deal is finally done as a 3 way.

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

So we got the original Knicks trade for T-Mac. Making it a 3-way basically means we traded Landry for Martin. Really don't like that and not just because I am biased towards Landry. Just at a quick glance it is obvious to me that it's not a good swap. Landry is a lot more efficient and costs a heck of a lot less. Basically we have up a more efficient player who fits our team for a player who is less efficient and costs a lot more.

 

It only gets worse we you dig deeper. Martin is shooting under 40% and needs to dominate the ball to score. That basically means he and Brooks can't be on the court at the same time because both need to have the ball to be productive. Brooks excels on offense because he drives with speed and dishes if help comes over.

 

So not only did we trade for a much less efficient player who costs more but he also doesn't fit our team well. We are also now thin at PF and our starter still doesn't match with Yao. They both are post scorers who both score by have some savvy post moves. This is why Scola disappears when Yao is in. Yao gets to post up and Scola doesn't have a very good jumper.

 

Would you stop talking about how inefficient Kevin Martin is? He's been an extremely efficient player every year until this one where he's been battling injuries. Why can't Brooks drive and dish to Martin spotting up from 3 which he's great at?

 

You completely ignored that Morey will be moving up in the 2011 draft and got a 1st rounder in 2012. There's also the possibility that they can make something out of a guy who was a lottery pick 8 months ago. The Rockets weren't going anywhere this year. It makes them a better team next year and beyond. Pretty much every basketball guy I've seen completely disagrees with you.

[Formerly Snayke]

Carmelo Anthony is cold. LeBron could not have possibly played defense better and Anthony still knocked it down.

 

Cavs should've won but they made less than 55 percent of their FTs. LeBron had 40-13-15 and they lost. That's unbelievable.

[Mike Aller]

Carmelo Anthony is cold. LeBron could not have possibly played defense better and Anthony still knocked it down.

 

Cavs should've won but they made less than 55 percent of their FTs. LeBron had 40-13-15 and they lost. That's unbelievable.

Yeah, that was an extremely frustrating game to watch, other than LeBron going crazy. I know Shaq has been a terrible FT shooter his entire career, but he wasn't even kind of close once.

[CubbieBum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

 

Looks like the Tmac deal is finally done as a 3 way.

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

So we got the original Knicks trade for T-Mac. Making it a 3-way basically means we traded Landry for Martin. Really don't like that and not just because I am biased towards Landry. Just at a quick glance it is obvious to me that it's not a good swap. Landry is a lot more efficient and costs a heck of a lot less. Basically we have up a more efficient player who fits our team for a player who is less efficient and costs a lot more.

 

It only gets worse we you dig deeper. Martin is shooting under 40% and needs to dominate the ball to score. That basically means he and Brooks can't be on the court at the same time because both need to have the ball to be productive. Brooks excels on offense because he drives with speed and dishes if help comes over.

 

So not only did we trade for a much less efficient player who costs more but he also doesn't fit our team well. We are also now thin at PF and our starter still doesn't match with Yao. They both are post scorers who both score by have some savvy post moves. This is why Scola disappears when Yao is in. Yao gets to post up and Scola doesn't have a very good jumper.

 

Would you stop talking about how inefficient Kevin Martin is? He's been an extremely efficient player every year until this one where he's been battling injuries. Why can't Brooks drive and dish to Martin spotting up from 3 which he's great at?

 

You completely ignored that Morey will be moving up in the 2011 draft and got a 1st rounder in 2012. There's also the possibility that they can make something out of a guy who was a lottery pick 8 months ago. The Rockets weren't going anywhere this year. It makes them a better team next year and beyond. Pretty much every basketball guy I've seen completely disagrees with you.

 

I didn't ignore that. I said right at the top they did the original trade with the Knicks for T-Mac. This 3-team trade was essentially two seperate trades as the Knicks got T-Mac and the Rockets got the same stuff they were rumored to be getting earlier in the week when it was just a two team trade. It is the Landry for Martin part that I don't like. I would rather have Landry at his cheap price than Martin for 3 years and $36 million. Sure Martin is a great 3-pt shooter when open but that is Ariza's best ability offensively.

 

A lineup of Brooks-Martin-Ariza-Scola-Yao for next season looks great on paper but when you look at the way they all need to play to be effective it doesn't look like it will work. Scola and Yao are both similar players offensively in that they need to get deep in the post and then use moves to get a shot. When Yao is on the court Scola disappears offensively. Martin is a mix between Brooks and Ariza. If Martin has the ball in hands he can create shots but that takes Brooks out of it and if he is a spot up 3-pt shooter that takes Ariza out of it. The lineup looks great on paper and I hope it turns out to be great but I'm not seeing it. I was very surprised to see how high Martin's true shooting percentage was. Maybe with talent around him he can get back to what he was a year or two ago but then again the injuries may make it so he never gets back.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sheed coming off the bench is not going to stop him from leading the lead in technicals.

[TruffleShuffle]

boy the knicks had better get lebron, bosh or wade or they are going to be bad for a long, long time.

[illiniguy]

Sheed coming off the bench is not going to stop him from leading the lead in technicals.

Hell no, it makes it a challenge though. On a side note, I am fully embracing DeMarcus Cousins as this generations Sheed.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sheed coming off the bench is not going to stop him from leading the lead in technicals.

Hell no, it makes it a challenge though. On a side note, I am fully embracing DeMarcus Cousins as this generations Sheed.

 

I'm biased, but I think Cousins is way more out of control than Cousins. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of it has to do with having Dean Smith as your coach compared to Cal. I could see Cousins going Bison Dele.

[Garwilly]

Sheed coming off the bench is not going to stop him from leading the lead in technicals.

Hell no, it makes it a challenge though. On a side note, I am fully embracing DeMarcus Cousins as this generations Sheed.

 

I'm biased, but I think Cousins is way more out of control than Cousins.

 

Its late.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sheed coming off the bench is not going to stop him from leading the lead in technicals.

Hell no, it makes it a challenge though. On a side note, I am fully embracing DeMarcus Cousins as this generations Sheed.

 

I'm biased, but I think Cousins is way more out of control than Cousins.

 

Its late.

 

No Cousins is that crazy.

[Exile on Waveland]

Seriously, the trade wasn't just Kevin Martin for Carl Landry (which I'm unsure if I would've done straight up either). The Rockets also get the right to trade 2011 picks and the Knicks 2012 pick -- I know everyone assumes those picks will be low because the Knicks will sign free agents, but we've all heard that before. The Rockets also get Jordan Hill, who, though I thought he was incredibly overrated in last year's draft, was a No. 8 pick in the draft and still just a rookie. Hilton Armstrong and Jared Jeffries aren't much at this point -- though both are former lottery picks. Armstrong is probably still young enough he could eventually contribute something, and Jeffries is a good defensive player against basically any position (though extremely overpaid and an awful shooter).*

 

The trade was, ostensibly, Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Hilton Armstrong, Jared Jeffries, the Knicks' 2012 pick, and a potential swap of 2011 picks. A lot of those players might as well be nonentities, but Landry for Martin, Hill, a draft pick, and perhaps another better pick is a pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

 

 

 

*I'm assuming the Rockets won't just release either player -- which I'm ignorant to.

[CubbieBum]

Seriously, the trade wasn't just Kevin Martin for Carl Landry (which I'm unsure if I would've done straight up either). The Rockets also get the right to trade 2011 picks and the Knicks 2012 pick -- I know everyone assumes those picks will be low because the Knicks will sign free agents, but we've all heard that before. The Rockets also get Jordan Hill, who, though I thought he was incredibly overrated in last year's draft, was a No. 8 pick in the draft and still just a rookie. Hilton Armstrong and Jared Jeffries aren't much at this point -- though both are former lottery picks. Armstrong is probably still young enough he could eventually contribute something, and Jeffries is a good defensive player against basically any position (though extremely overpaid and an awful shooter).*

 

The trade was, ostensibly, Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Hilton Armstrong, Jared Jeffries, the Knicks' 2012 pick, and a potential swap of 2011 picks. A lot of those players might as well be nonentities, but Landry for Martin, Hill, a draft pick, and perhaps another better pick is a pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

 

 

 

*I'm assuming the Rockets won't just release either player -- which I'm ignorant to.

 

 

I guess I'm not explaining but rather assuming you know the original Knicks trade for T-Mac. Let me explain what I am meaning. The original Knicks trade for T-Mac that we were rumored to be very close to doing (we were arguing about how high/low the picks would be protected) was T-Mac to the Knicks for Jeffries, Hill, Hughes and the two first round picks in 2011 and 2012. If you look at the trade that ended up happening that is essentially what we got. I am assuming we got Sacramento involved at first to get the Knicks to cave on the protection, which they indeed did. However, the picks and players from Knicks in the final trade is almost exactly what we would have gotten if we just did two separate trades one sending T-Mac to the Knicks and the other sending Landry to Sacramento. This is why I said the trade was essentially Landry for Martin.

[CubbieBum]

One thing I do like on the trade though is we have a lot of height mismatches. Martin is 6'7" and a SG, Ariza is a lanky 6'9" SF and Yao is 7'6".

[Exile on Waveland]

Seriously, the trade wasn't just Kevin Martin for Carl Landry (which I'm unsure if I would've done straight up either). The Rockets also get the right to trade 2011 picks and the Knicks 2012 pick -- I know everyone assumes those picks will be low because the Knicks will sign free agents, but we've all heard that before. The Rockets also get Jordan Hill, who, though I thought he was incredibly overrated in last year's draft, was a No. 8 pick in the draft and still just a rookie. Hilton Armstrong and Jared Jeffries aren't much at this point -- though both are former lottery picks. Armstrong is probably still young enough he could eventually contribute something, and Jeffries is a good defensive player against basically any position (though extremely overpaid and an awful shooter).*

 

The trade was, ostensibly, Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Hilton Armstrong, Jared Jeffries, the Knicks' 2012 pick, and a potential swap of 2011 picks. A lot of those players might as well be nonentities, but Landry for Martin, Hill, a draft pick, and perhaps another better pick is a pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

 

 

 

*I'm assuming the Rockets won't just release either player -- which I'm ignorant to.

 

 

I guess I'm not explaining but rather assuming you know the original Knicks trade for T-Mac. Let me explain what I am meaning. The original Knicks trade for T-Mac that we were rumored to be very close to doing (we were arguing about how high/low the picks would be protected) was T-Mac to the Knicks for Jeffries, Hill, Hughes and the two first round picks in 2011 and 2012. If you look at the trade that ended up happening that is essentially what we got. I am assuming we got Sacramento involved at first to get the Knicks to cave on the protection, which they indeed did. However, the picks and players from Knicks in the final trade is almost exactly what we would have gotten if we just did two separate trades one sending T-Mac to the Knicks and the other sending Landry to Sacramento. This is why I said the trade was essentially Landry for Martin.

 

I was not aware that was the original proposed deal. In that case -- assuming both sides were going to finalize that deal -- I am somewhat lukewarm. The deal as is certainly is a win for Houston; trading Landry for Martin may or may not be.

[Mike Aller]

What's the news with Yao, anyway?