Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

 

i'm just guaranteeing that the cavs don't win the title.

Joe Namath would be proud.

 

why?

[Soul]

Mike North had a hand in getting Scott Skiles to resign as a coach with the Bulls. His interview with him on 670 helped Skiles realize he should lower his asking price.

 

I wish the Bulls still had him. Hands down better than Vinny and I would have loved to see Scott work with Rose.

 

Hmmm. I agree he's better than Vinny but I'm not sure he would have been the right guy to work with Rose.

[Old Style]

 

i'm just guaranteeing that the cavs don't win the title.

Joe Namath would be proud.

 

why?

Because they're both drunken buffoons?

[Magnetic Curses]

touche.

[SpongeWorthy]

I used to sort of hold my nose when people talked about signing David Lee but considering he'll be quite a bit cheaper than Boozer or Amare, you could do a lot worse. I figured he was sort of a glorified energy man who got cheap stats in D'Antoni's system, and he is to an extent, but he's pretty legit--can finish with either hand around the bucket, good midrange jumper, and he's got a few moves and good footwork down low. You do have to hide him on defense because he's is pretty atrocious although the Knicks have such horrible perimeter defenders and such overall team stupidity its hard to tell how bad he really is on D.

[Derwood]

seems like Rose's hip feels fine

[Wilson A2000]

How would Jamison look in a Bulls uniform?

[Tyrant]

How would Jamison look in a Bulls uniform?

 

Old.

[DivineBovine]

McGrady to Bulls talks heating up:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0217-bulls-knicks-chicago-20100216,0,4751731.story

 

League sources said the Bulls have offered Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas and either Kirk Hinrich or John Salmons to the Rockets for McGrady, who has been granted a leave and is training in Chicago.

 

 

Assuming this rumor is true, I didn't realize they needed to unload so much salary for this summer.

 

 

Without Kirk or Salmons, their committed money in 2010-11 is:

 

Deng $11.3 million

Rose $7 million

Noah $3.1 million

Johnson $1.7 million

Gibson $1.1 million

 

That's it. $24.2 million only. I just read somewhere that the salary cap is projected to drop to $50-$54 million next year.

 

I wonder if that would allow 2 free agents. The luxury tax threshold is $70 million, which is where the Bulls salary is now.

[RedFlash]

McGrady to Bulls talks heating up:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0217-bulls-knicks-chicago-20100216,0,4751731.story

 

League sources said the Bulls have offered Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas and either Kirk Hinrich or John Salmons to the Rockets for McGrady, who has been granted a leave and is training in Chicago.

 

 

Assuming this rumor is true, I didn't realize they needed to unload so much salary for this summer.

 

 

Without Kirk or Salmons, their committed money in 2010-11 is:

 

Deng $11.3 million

Rose $7 million

Noah $3.1 million

Johnson $1.7 million

Gibson $1.1 million

 

That's it. $24.2 million only. I just read somewhere that the salary cap is projected to drop to $50-$54 million next year.

 

I wonder if that would allow 2 free agents. The luxury tax threshold is $70 million, which is where the Bulls salary is now.

 

 

 

There are other sources that says that McGrady to the Knicks is "close to being finalized." So who knowss what is going on. Prolly won't know what's what till tomorrow night at the earliest.

[Flames24Rulz]

We absolutely need to unload Hinrich and Salmons in the next two days. That has to be the main priority right now.

[RedFlash]

We absolutely need to unload Hinrich and Salmons in the next two days. That has to be the main priority right now.

 

That seems to be the problem. Right now the only semi-confident trade that might happen will be Tyrus being traded. Hinrich and Salmons are prolly 50/50 right now.

[UMFan83]

McGrady to Bulls talks heating up:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0217-bulls-knicks-chicago-20100216,0,4751731.story

 

League sources said the Bulls have offered Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas and either Kirk Hinrich or John Salmons to the Rockets for McGrady, who has been granted a leave and is training in Chicago.

 

 

Assuming this rumor is true, I didn't realize they needed to unload so much salary for this summer.

 

 

Without Kirk or Salmons, their committed money in 2010-11 is:

 

Deng $11.3 million

Rose $7 million

Noah $3.1 million

Johnson $1.7 million

Gibson $1.1 million

 

That's it. $24.2 million only. I just read somewhere that the salary cap is projected to drop to $50-$54 million next year.

 

I wonder if that would allow 2 free agents. The luxury tax threshold is $70 million, which is where the Bulls salary is now.

 

The cap is projected to be between 50-55 million next year, which is the important number. Also, a max FA will make $15 million per season, so you need $30 million to get 2 max FAs. You also are not including cap holds in your analysis of the Bulls cap situation in the offseason, which will push things up a bit. The Bulls can get rid of these cap holds by renouncing the player, although they can no longer resign that player if they do that.

[17 Seconds]

i read that houston wouldn't take back hinrich OR salmons, and if that's true it's pointless to do the deal since we'd lose the expirings of miller and somebody else.

[Derwood]

this market is all sellers and no buyers. It's going to be hard to unload these contracts

[Old Style]

OK, I'm just spitballing here so don't rip me too hard.

 

It looks like we won't be able to clear enough cap space for two max FA's. What about this scenario: Trade Miller, Tyrus, & Salmons for T-Mac to clear enough room to sign Bosh. Then re-sign T-Mac to a 1-2 year deal. I'm sure he would come a lot cheaper than he is now. Then you would have a starting lineup of Rose, McGrady, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with Hinrich coming off the bench. Thoughts?

[Ryno12]

OK, I'm just spitballing here so don't rip me too hard.

 

It looks like we won't be able to clear enough cap space for two max FA's. What about this scenario: Trade Miller, Tyrus, & Salmons for T-Mac to clear enough room to sign Bosh. Then re-sign T-Mac to a 1-2 year deal. I'm sure he would come a lot cheaper than he is now. Then you would have a starting lineup of Rose, McGrady, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with Hinrich coming off the bench. Thoughts?

 

I'm not sure if this would work, but I'd rather get Ray Allen than keep TMac. If we were to sign Bosh, a starting 5 of DRose, Allen, Deng, Bosh, Noah looks pretty damn tough to me. Allen would give us a shooter to keep the defense honest and open things up for Rose and Bosh.

[UMFan83]

i read that houston wouldn't take back hinrich OR salmons, and if that's true it's pointless to do the deal since we'd lose the expirings of miller and somebody else.

 

Which is why the Bulls are trying to get a 3rd team involved. I think the Bulls think they need McGrady to offset the loss of Hinrich or Salmons. Also they want to get rid of the malcontent Thomas sooner than later. From what I've read, he's having a Milton Bradley effect in the locker room. Not saying that's effecting their play, but he's not good enough for them to put up with that.

[rawaction]

OK, I'm just spitballing here so don't rip me too hard.

 

It looks like we won't be able to clear enough cap space for two max FA's. What about this scenario: Trade Miller, Tyrus, & Salmons for T-Mac to clear enough room to sign Bosh. Then re-sign T-Mac to a 1-2 year deal. I'm sure he would come a lot cheaper than he is now. Then you would have a starting lineup of Rose, McGrady, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with Hinrich coming off the bench. Thoughts?

 

I'm not sure if this would work, but I'd rather get Ray Allen than keep TMac. If we were to sign Bosh, a starting 5 of DRose, Allen, Deng, Bosh, Noah looks pretty damn tough to me. Allen would give us a shooter to keep the defense honest and open things up for Rose and Bosh.

 

I agree with this. I'd rather get a guy that has a better track record health wise. Also rather have a guy that is familiar with being a role player and would be ok not being the star. I don't know that TMac could handle that role.

[jersey cubs fan]

OK, I'm just spitballing here so don't rip me too hard.

 

It looks like we won't be able to clear enough cap space for two max FA's. What about this scenario: Trade Miller, Tyrus, & Salmons for T-Mac to clear enough room to sign Bosh. Then re-sign T-Mac to a 1-2 year deal. I'm sure he would come a lot cheaper than he is now. Then you would have a starting lineup of Rose, McGrady, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with Hinrich coming off the bench. Thoughts?

 

I'm not sure if this would work, but I'd rather get Ray Allen than keep TMac. If we were to sign Bosh, a starting 5 of DRose, Allen, Deng, Bosh, Noah looks pretty damn tough to me. Allen would give us a shooter to keep the defense honest and open things up for Rose and Bosh.

 

I agree with this. I'd rather get a guy that has a better track record health wise. Also rather have a guy that is familiar with being a role player and would be ok not being the star. I don't know that TMac could handle that role.

 

Is the point of this trade talk actually getting the right player? Or is it more about getting the right contract? I don't see why a team as mediocre as the Bulls would trade for any of these has beens unless it was strictly for the expiring contract. If the player actaully does well and sticks around don't you run the risk of falling for the same thing they did last year when they got Salmons and thought they discovered something when in fact they were just still the same old below average team?

[Ryno12]

OK, I'm just spitballing here so don't rip me too hard.

 

It looks like we won't be able to clear enough cap space for two max FA's. What about this scenario: Trade Miller, Tyrus, & Salmons for T-Mac to clear enough room to sign Bosh. Then re-sign T-Mac to a 1-2 year deal. I'm sure he would come a lot cheaper than he is now. Then you would have a starting lineup of Rose, McGrady, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with Hinrich coming off the bench. Thoughts?

 

I'm not sure if this would work, but I'd rather get Ray Allen than keep TMac. If we were to sign Bosh, a starting 5 of DRose, Allen, Deng, Bosh, Noah looks pretty damn tough to me. Allen would give us a shooter to keep the defense honest and open things up for Rose and Bosh.

 

I agree with this. I'd rather get a guy that has a better track record health wise. Also rather have a guy that is familiar with being a role player and would be ok not being the star. I don't know that TMac could handle that role.

 

Is the point of this trade talk actually getting the right player? Or is it more about getting the right contract? I don't see why a team as mediocre as the Bulls would trade for any of these has beens unless it was strictly for the expiring contract. If the player actaully does well and sticks around don't you run the risk of falling for the same thing they did last year when they got Salmons and thought they discovered something when in fact they were just still the same old below average team?

 

I think that any trade made right now should be to get more cap room this offseason. I don't think the Bulls should make any trades right now for this year, because I'd rather be in a position to make major moves after the season than possibly make it out of the first round this year.

[Soul]

I wish that was a simple "either/or" proposition, but I question whether it is.

 

I could see "tanking" this season, or significantly weaking our performance, as a contributor to making it more difficult to sign FA's this offseason.

 

In short, I think we're dealing with a moving target here, and we seem to be a little caught in the middle. We can't just unload a ton of players to get cap space and then suck the rest of the year. And we can't keep what we have because it's not good enough.

[Sammy Sofa]

They can easily "suck" for the rest of year. It's not like one of the top FA's will opt to not sign here because the middling talents of Salmons and Hinirch and co. are gone and helped keep the Bulls barely afloat. The better FA's will realize, "hmmm, I'm an amazing player...they have an amazing player in Rose...then they have two good role players in Deng and Noah...and they're likely sign someone else to bolster everything up." That's plenty to work with and very appealing with a big pile of money.

[Wilson A2000]

Why would the Bulls ever want to go after McGrady? Does anyone think he will ever be his old self?

[Sammy Sofa]

Why would the Bulls ever want to go after McGrady? Does anyone think he will ever be his old self?

 

...

 

Think about it for 2 seconds.

 

It has nothing to do with what anyone thinks he can still do as a player.