ARam Vs. Gordon

[Prizefight]

This seems like an obvious answer to me, but the topic came up on McNeils show today and discussing it with some of the guys I work with, maybe it's not obvious...

 

The question is which Chicago third basemen would you want for the playoffs?

 

Even considering ARam's previous two Octobers, I didn't think anyone would want a rookie there Aram but it is probably 50/50 at my work. And the splits are definitely mixed between Cub and Sox fans.

 

 

Beckham got off to a terrible start this year adjusting to the majors etc and has just recently started playing very well. October being the different animal that it is, leads me to believe he would struggle in his first playoff experience as well.

[wade]

I would take Aramis every time and I'd take the choking dog thrid baseman A-Rod over either of them.

[OleMissCub]

sorry, I'll stick with the guy with the .340/.409/.582 line with 9 HR and 33 RBI in just 40 games.

 

No frat boy for me.

 

Beckham is pretty good though I have to admit.

[grassbass]

This seems like an obvious answer to me, but the topic came up on McNeils show today and discussing it with some of the guys I work with, maybe it's not obvious...

 

The question is which Chicago third basemen would you want for the playoffs?

 

Even considering ARam's previous two Octobers, I didn't think anyone would want a rookie there Aram but it is probably 50/50 at my work. And the splits are definitely mixed between Cub and Sox fans.

 

 

Beckham got off to a terrible start this year adjusting to the majors etc and has just recently started playing very well. October being the different animal that it is, leads me to believe he would struggle in his first playoff experience as well.

 

Why choose one when you could have both on the left-side of the infield? Put Beckham back at SS, keep Ramirez at 3B, and enjoy the offense.

[Prizefight]

Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG

2003 Cubs 5 18 2 5 1 0 1 0 3 2 0 2 0 0 0 1 .278 .350 .500

2007 Cubs 3 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5 0 0 0 2 .000 .077 .000

2008 Cubs 3 11 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 .182 .250 .273

 

 

Rami's stats for his 3 Octobers..obviously not great. But with the history he has shown for the dramatic in high pressure regular season games. You've got to think if/when he gets back he's due for a huge series

 

 

Sorry those are really hard to read. '07 he went 0-12 and '08 he went 2-11

[A-Cal]

i really like beckham, but aram is the man

 

aram all the way!

[UK1679666180]

Hit for avg: Push (both are likely .310-330 hitters)

Hit for power: Ramirez (Beckman is likely a 15 maybe 20 HR hitter in time)

Runner: Beckham

Arm: Push

Fielding: Beckham

 

Both are outstanding players and Ramirez is a current all-star and Beckham will be a future all-star. In this case, we're talking about a corner IF position & I put more weight onto Aramis' ability to hit for power moreso than Beckham's ability to be the better fielder and runner since 3B is typically an offensive position.

[kjfoster 1553]

I'll take ARam. But I wouldn't be surprised if Danny Mac picked Beckham. He is a White Sox fan, no doubt about that. I would guess most if not everyone on this board would choose ARam, and most if not everyone on a White Sox board would choose Beckham.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Hit for avg: Push (both are likely .310-330 hitters)

Hit for power: Ramirez (Beckman is likely a 15 maybe 20 HR hitter in time)

Runner: Beckham

Arm: Push

Fielding: Beckham

 

Both are outstanding players and Ramirez is a current all-star and Beckham will be a future all-star. In this case, we're talking about a corner IF position & I put more weight onto Aramis' ability to hit for power moreso than Beckham's ability to be the better fielder and runner since 3B is typically an offensive position.

 

Is Beckham really a better third baseman than ARAM? I know he was a SS in college but I've seen some fugly plays by him over at the hot corner.

[Prizefight]

Hit for avg: Push (both are likely .310-330 hitters)

Hit for power: Ramirez (Beckman is likely a 15 maybe 20 HR hitter in time)

Runner: Beckham

Arm: Push

Fielding: Beckham

 

Both are outstanding players and Ramirez is a current all-star and Beckham will be a future all-star. In this case, we're talking about a corner IF position & I put more weight onto Aramis' ability to hit for power moreso than Beckham's ability to be the better fielder and runner since 3B is typically an offensive position.

 

Is Beckham really a better third baseman than ARAM? I know he was a SS in college but I've seen some fugly plays by him over at the hot corner.

 

He's gotten a LOT more solid over there, arguably one of their best gloves outside of Wise and Getz.

[shnsajax]

White Sox are not going to the playoffs so it doesn't matter ;-).

[UK1679666180]

Hit for avg: Push (both are likely .310-330 hitters)

Hit for power: Ramirez (Beckman is likely a 15 maybe 20 HR hitter in time)

Runner: Beckham

Arm: Push

Fielding: Beckham

 

Both are outstanding players and Ramirez is a current all-star and Beckham will be a future all-star. In this case, we're talking about a corner IF position & I put more weight onto Aramis' ability to hit for power moreso than Beckham's ability to be the better fielder and runner since 3B is typically an offensive position.

 

Is Beckham really a better third baseman than ARAM? I know he was a SS in college but I've seen some fugly plays by him over at the hot corner.

 

Yes, he has better range and a more accurate throw.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can we please wait until Beckham has more than 1 really good month before we compare the 2?

[BeerHere]

I knew that as soon as Gordon started doing well there would be a pile of wsox fans screaming that he is better than ARam. It's a pointless argument, which in this case, was started by a sox-homer radio announcer, on a sox-homer radio station (McNeil/WSCR).

 

My two cents - Gordon is a fantastic young ballplayer. A superb draft by Williams and the wsox should be happy to have him. I'll take ARam's consistent production though.

[jersey cubs fan]

I forget, did we ever come to a conclusion about exactly how much better Joe Crede is than Aramis?

[Prizefight]

McNeil actually used some logic and chose Rami.

 

Right now you'd be foolish to pick anyone other than Rami, although it looks like Beckham's 'upside' could be that of Rami or even better.

 

Just thought it was an interesting topic to at least throw around and kill some time this afternoon 8-)

[Little Slide Rooter]

I forget, did we ever come to a conclusion about exactly how much better Joe Crede is than Aramis?

 

Maybe by the same guys who dubbed Alexei Ramirez as "the best player in Chicago"

[Post Count Padder]

I read the thread title and thought Ramirez and Tom Gordan got into a brawl.

[NewUserName]

Though I think Beckham will be a better player than Crede....this whole argument smacks of all the stupidity that Sox fans tried to give out when they made claims that Crede was better then ARam

[Andy]

Aramis is better. Much better. And will continue to be much better until he's out of his prime.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I thought this was going to be a comparison of the early careers of Ramirez and Alex Gordon, which sounded like a very interesting topic.

 

I was wrong.

[NCCubFan]

I thought this was going to be a comparison of the early careers of Ramirez and Alex Gordon, which sounded like a very interesting topic.

 

I was wrong.

That's what I thought too.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Aramis, hands down. That's not being a homer either. Beckham has had a really good month. That's it. Aramis has been good for years. Like others have said, I'll take the consistent production from Aramis any day of the week.

 

Now 5 years from now? That might be a different story. Beckham looks like he's gonna be a pretty solid player.

[17 Seconds]

joe crede is better than all of them, remember? he's the best in the league. better than a-rod.

[Donbedouin]

Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG

2003 Cubs 5 18 2 5 1 0 1 0 3 2 0 2 0 0 0 1 .278 .350 .500

2007 Cubs 3 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5 0 0 0 2 .000 .077 .000

2008 Cubs 3 11 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 .182 .250 .273

 

 

Rami's stats for his 3 Octobers..obviously not great. But with the history he has shown for the dramatic in high pressure regular season games. You've got to think if/when he gets back he's due for a huge series

 

 

Sorry those are really hard to read. '07 he went 0-12 and '08 he went 2-11

 

Isn't he still like the Cubs alltime leager in postseason HRs and RBIs or something like that?