Freddie Sanchez trade rumors

[Little Slide Rooter]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

 

If I recall correctly those career minor league numbers are inflated from the lower minors, and his numbers at higher levels are not good. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that.

 

You are correct.

 

Fuld at low A: .300/.377/.433/.810 44:50 K:BB

 

Fuld at high A: .300/.378/.422/.801 54:40 K:BB

 

Fuld at AA/AA year one: .287/.376/.395/.771 43:50 K:BB

 

Fuld at AA/AAA year two: .264/.358/.371/.728 52:58 K:BB

 

Fuld at AAA this year: .286/.359/.397/.755 22:33 K:BB

 

Aside from AA/AAA year 2, the numbers are still respectable for a leadoff hitter.\, and even his off year wasnt horrible. Look, Im not calling him a savior, Im just saying ride it out and see how far it can go. Hes great in the outfield, and cant be much worst than what weve been getting at leadoff for most of the season.

[dew1679666265]

Aside from AA/AAA year 2, the numbers are still respectable for a leadoff hitter.\, and even his off year wasnt horrible. Look, Im not calling him a savior, Im just saying ride it out and see how far it can go. Hes great in the outfield, and cant be much worst than what weve been getting at leadoff for most of the season.

 

If he can replicate those numbers, sure they're not that terrible. The likelihood of him replicating those minor league numbers at the major league level in his first season is very, very low, though.

 

The goal should be to get your best hitters at the top of the lineup. Even if Fuld replicates those (AA/AAA) numbers exactly, he's nowhere near one of our best hitters. Theriot, Bradley, Lee and Aramis have been our best hitters this year and last. Thus, the top of the order really should be Theriot, Bradley, Lee, Aramis.

 

I don't have that much of a problem with playing Fuld when you can as long as he's hot. However, I don't think he should be batting leadoff.

 

You're also not leaving any room for upside. Those AA/AAA numbers are likely Fuld's upside (which, combined with very good defense in center isn't bad at all for a cheap fourth outfielder), whereas Kosuke, Bradley and Soriano all can hit significantly better than that. If you bench them for an indefinite period of time, it's that much less likely they'll give us the great production they are capable of.

[Tracer Bullet]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The goal should be to get your best hitters at the top of the lineup. Even if Fuld replicates those (AA/AAA) numbers exactly, he's nowhere near one of our best hitters. Theriot, Bradley, Lee and Aramis have been our best hitters this year and last. Thus, the top of the order really should be Theriot, Bradley, Lee, Aramis.

 

But if we do that, we look an awful lot like the Cardinals with a solid 1-4 and a load of easy out following them.

 

I don't have that much of a problem with playing Fuld when you can as long as he's hot. However, I don't think he should be batting leadoff.

 

Again, Id rather split it up so we have those guys at the top of the order, at least as long as Fawld can stay hot and then a gauntlet of Lee, Ramirez, Bradley, Soriano, and Soto when hes back to follow, but thats just a difference of opinion, no wrong, no right.

 

You're also not leaving any room for upside. Those AA/AAA numbers are likely Fuld's upside (which, combined with very good defense in center isn't bad at all for a cheap fourth outfielder), whereas Kosuke, Bradley and Soriano all can hit significantly better than that. If you bench them for an indefinite period of time, it's that much less likely they'll give us the great production they are capable of.

 

Yes they can hit better than Fuld, but Soriano and Kosuke havnt been, Who knows, maybe his minors numbers are what hes capable of. With some guys it is, some guys it isnt, but as long as the other options arent producing, Id like to give him that chance.

[Guest]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

Haha.

[dew1679666265]

The goal should be to get your best hitters at the top of the lineup. Even if Fuld replicates those (AA/AAA) numbers exactly, he's nowhere near one of our best hitters. Theriot, Bradley, Lee and Aramis have been our best hitters this year and last. Thus, the top of the order really should be Theriot, Bradley, Lee, Aramis.

 

But if we do that, we look an awful lot like the Cardinals with a solid 1-4 and a load of easy out following them.

 

I don't have that much of a problem with playing Fuld when you can as long as he's hot. However, I don't think he should be batting leadoff.

 

Again, Id rather split it up so we have those guys at the top of the order, at least as long as Fawld can stay hot and then a gauntlet of Lee, Ramirez, Bradley, Soriano, and Soto when hes back to follow, but thats just a difference of opinion, no wrong, no right.

 

The reason you want your best hitters at the top of the lineup is because they get the most ABs up there. Over the course of a season, the difference between the #1 spot in the order and the #6 spot can be over a hundred (maybe as high as 200+, I can't remember for sure).

 

I would rather those at bats go to Theriot, Bradley, Lee and Aramis than go to Fuld. If the rest of our order looks like the Cardinals' order, then we should improve it instead of moving good hitters down in the order.

 

You're also not leaving any room for upside. Those AA/AAA numbers are likely Fuld's upside (which, combined with very good defense in center isn't bad at all for a cheap fourth outfielder), whereas Kosuke, Bradley and Soriano all can hit significantly better than that. If you bench them for an indefinite period of time, it's that much less likely they'll give us the great production they are capable of.

 

Yes they can hit better than Fuld, but Soriano and Kosuke havnt been, Who knows, maybe his minors numbers are what hes capable of. With some guys it is, some guys it isnt, but as long as the other options arent producing, Id like to give him that chance.

 

But Theriot and Bradley are producing, so why not put them up there and give them the extra ABs? Both are capable of much more than Fuld and are producing well now.

 

Like I said, I'm ok with him spelling the outfielders here and there while he's hitting well, but he shouldn't be at the top of the lineup for an extended period of time. It takes too many at bats away from our best players.

[Jake]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

[inari]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I don't see what that has to do with Sam Fuld...

[Jake]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09198/984510-63.stm?cmpid=pirates.xml

[SouthSideRyan]

Hey Pittsburgh Pirates, stop extending Jack Wilson.

[inari]

I was going to say... is Jack Wilson like Adam Everett in his prime, where his defense was actually good enough to make him for having no bat at all? Or are the Pirates just stupid?

[jersey cubs fan]

I was going to say... is Jack Wilson like Adam Everett in his prime, where his defense was actually good enough to make him for having no bat at all? Or are the Pirates just stupid?

 

They've been under 500 for like 16 straight seasons now, while they are small market, it's not like that city can't support successful sports teams, and they have a stadium that everybody loves. I think it's safe to say they are stupid.

 

Even if his defense offset his horrible offensive performance (career OPS+ of 79, OBP of .311), he's already 31. Even the elite SS struggle to stay at the position in their 30's.

[Backtobanks]

I think extending Wilson and Sanchez is a move to save the few fans they have left since neither Wilson or Sanchez will be around when the Pirates are competitive again.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think extending Wilson and Sanchez is a move to save the few fans they have left since neither Wilson or Sanchez will be around when the Pirates are competitive again.

 

A couple years ago, when the extra innings package forced you to watch the home team's broadcast, I remember they pushed Wilson hard as the face of the team (and with a face like that....). He was in some commercial where he was in line at a buffet, but instead of opening up a big tray of eggs or bacon, it was baseballs and they called it something like serving up baseballs. And he was featured prominently in their stadium. If Jack Wilson is going to be the face of your franchise, you are going to suck.

[illiniguy]

I think extending Wilson and Sanchez is a move to save the few fans they have left since neither Wilson or Sanchez will be around when the Pirates are competitive again.

 

A couple years ago, when the extra innings package forced you to watch the home team's broadcast, I remember they pushed Wilson hard as the face of the team (and with a face like that....). He was in some commercial where he was in line at a buffet, but instead of opening up a big tray of eggs or bacon, it was baseballs and they called it something like serving up baseballs. And he was featured prominently in their stadium. If Jack Wilson is going to be the face of your franchise, you are going to suck.

and to think they could have had a 3-4 of Aramis and Jason Bay.

[RedFlash]

and to think they could have had a 3-4 of Aramis and Jason Bay.

 

With Nat McClouth, Xavier Nady, Adam LaRouche, and Ryan Doumit rounding out the lineup. That would have been one scary l ineup.

[hotshot13422]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I didn't know that you were the Pirates' GM, thanks for that

[laurens]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I didn't know that you were the Pirates' GM, thanks for that

 

Why the snarly comment? he's right. The Pirates can't use Sam Fuld. They've got a pretty reliably CF in McCutchen.

[Tracer Bullet]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I didn't know that you were the Pirates' GM, thanks for that

 

Jake was joking with me b/c I was clearly joking with him. There's no need for the snark.

[inari]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I didn't know that you were the Pirates' GM, thanks for that

 

Jake was joking with me b/c I was clearly joking with him. There's no need for the snark.

 

The internet is serious business.

[17 Seconds]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

 

That's probably b/c they didn't know Fuld was available.

 

We have enough CFs in the minors who can't hit, thank you very much.

 

I didn't know that you were the Pirates' GM, thanks for that

 

Because you must be a GM to know that they wouldn't trade Sanchez for scraps

[inari]

Apparently both Sanchez and Jack Wilson have rejected contract offers by the Pirates.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Apparently both Sanchez and Jack Wilson have rejected contract offers by the Pirates.

 

Those weren't offers, those were insults. Sanchez's $10 million for two years, when his certain to vest option for next year alone is $8 million.

[inari]

Eh, the point is, the talk of them possibly signing back on under the jolly roger didn't amount to anything. I don't think Freddy Sanchez will be a Cub by August 1st, but I doubt he'll be a Pirate.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Eh, the point is, the talk of them possibly signing back on under the jolly roger didn't amount to anything. I don't think Freddy Sanchez will be a Cub by August 1st, but I doubt he'll be a Pirate.

 

Probably, but that vesting option is ugly. Nobody wants to take that on.