Halladay all but gone from Toronto (or not)

[Little Slide Rooter]

From a Yankees perspective, the New York Daily News is proposing Melkey Cabrera, Phil Hughes, and outfield prospect Austin Jackson would be enough for Toronto to get Halladay.

 

If they add Joba and another prospect, or just Joba and take Well of their hands, they could have a deal.

[Jehrico]

It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

Are you just refusing to factor in how paying someone like Vernon Wells 25 mil a year over the next several years could hamstring a team? Keeping that contract hurts them...it's worth a prospect or two to get someone to take his contract off of their hands. For example, if it weren't for Soriano's contract (or others), we might have actually sealed the deal on Peavy in the offseason. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this way, as Toronto has already stated they're going to try to package them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

Are you just refusing to factor in how paying someone like Vernon Wells 25 mil a year over the next several years could hamstring a team? Keeping that contract hurts them...it's worth a prospect or two to get someone to take his contract off of their hands. For example, if it weren't for Soriano's contract (or others), we might have actually sealed the deal on Peavy in the offseason. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this way, as Toronto has already stated they're going to try to package them.

 

I think they are making a mistake, unless I'm underestimating how much adding Wells will eat into the package they are going to get for him, or overestimating what they'd get without Wells in the deal.

 

They could set themselves up with a good handful of elite prospects who will be around and helping them win long after Wells' contract is up.

[Jehrico]

It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

Are you just refusing to factor in how paying someone like Vernon Wells 25 mil a year over the next several years could hamstring a team? Keeping that contract hurts them...it's worth a prospect or two to get someone to take his contract off of their hands. For example, if it weren't for Soriano's contract (or others), we might have actually sealed the deal on Peavy in the offseason. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this way, as Toronto has already stated they're going to try to package them.

 

I think they are making a mistake, unless I'm underestimating how much adding Wells will eat into the package they are going to get for him, or overestimating what they'd get without Wells in the deal.

 

They could set themselves up with a good handful of elite prospects who will be around and helping them win long after Wells' contract is up.

It's hard to judge without knowing exactly what the package is. Giving Halladay away just to dump Wells doesn't make any sense...but taking a small downgrade in the package enables them considerably to be better over the next few years. The only thing that is ridiculous is judging the concept of packaging the two together without knowing exactly what the costs are first. The only way they'll move Wells, outside of a deal for Zito or another worse contract, is if they package him. They'd be foolish to not at least explore the possibility.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd really have to think Halladay+Wells gives you almost nothing in return. Wells' negative trade value is as large as Halladay's positive, I'd guess. That's just an awful, awful contract.

[ManEatingTarp]

OUCH.

 

Here's his deal as posted over at mlbcontracts.

I don't see him opting out after 2011 :)

 

7 years/$126M (2008-14)

 

* 7 years/$126M (2008-14)

o signed extension with Toronto 12/06

o $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)

o 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M

o full no-trade clause

o Wells may opt out of contract after 2011

o award bonuses: $0.25M for MVP, $0.2M for World Series MVP, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $0.1M for receiving most All-Star votes in league

o Wells to donate $143,000 annually to Blue Jays charity

[Backtobanks]

It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

Are you just refusing to factor in how paying someone like Vernon Wells 25 mil a year over the next several years could hamstring a team? Keeping that contract hurts them...it's worth a prospect or two to get someone to take his contract off of their hands. For example, if it weren't for Soriano's contract (or others), we might have actually sealed the deal on Peavy in the offseason. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this way, as Toronto has already stated they're going to try to package them.

 

I totally understand keeping Wells hurts the Jays in the future, but accepting less than maximum value for Halladay by packaging Wells with him also hurts the Jays in the future. I guess it's hard to argue the point since we don't know what package(s) being offered for Halladay and/or Halladay/Wells to compare them, but the Jays have a chance to really load up with top prospects by trading Halladay alone. Also, it's not out of the question that somebody might take a chance on Wells during the offseason if the Jays eat a decent chunk of his contract.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

[Keener98]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

 

Dont tell Cardinals fans this, hes the 2nd coming of Jesus if you ask most of them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

 

Dont tell Cardinals fans this, hes the 2nd coming of Jesus if you ask most of them.

 

I wish we had a few more 22 year olds with .395 career OBPs in the minors.

[ManEatingTarp]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

 

Dont tell Cardinals fans this, hes the 2nd coming of Jesus if you ask most of them.

 

No. I think most Cards fans (on the internet) understand that he's better suited for the AL because he has some serious defense issues.

He can hit. He's supposed to be highly thought of by people within the Jays organization.

If he's one part of a deal for Hallady I'll jump up and down with joy.

 

He may never be a Felix Pie, but we can all hope.

[NonProfitCow]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

He's been in professional baseball less than one year. He has a .395 career OBP, 19 career HR and has shown the ability to adjust. He is a projectable bat with success at ever level he's ever played.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brett Wallace as the centerpiece to a Roy Halladay deal would be just insane for Ricciardi, unless by centerpiece you mean there are like 6 other legit prospects coming with him. He's a DH who hasn't hit for power except for a 2 week stint in the Texas League at the end of last year.

He's been in professional baseball less than one year. He has a .395 career OBP, 19 career HR and has shown the ability to adjust. He is a projectable bat with success at ever level he's ever played.

 

He's nearly 23, and he's a college hitter that's more than filled out. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but when you know he's going to be awful defensively, he has to be quite a bat to compensate. The .800ish OPS with a .300 AVG isn't enough extra bases for me to think he's the player you build a deal around Roy Halladay for.

[17 Seconds]

o 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M

 

holy hell

[ManEatingTarp]

o 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M

 

holy hell

 

And you thought the Soriano deal looked bad..

[SouthSideRyan]

So the Jays are gonna trade Halladay for Sean Burroughs?

[SouthSideRyan]

I mean don't get me wrong, it's possible that the Jays will do something dumb like that, but if this is what the return is for big money players than teams just need to collect their draft picks rather than pick up some average prospects.

[XZero771679666304]

I mean don't get me wrong, it's possible that the Jays will do something dumb like that, but if this is what the return is for big money players than teams just need to collect their draft picks rather than pick up some average prospects.

 

Exactly. They could, but I suspect Mozeliak will have to offer Rasmus just to get Ricciardi's full attention. This Wallace + a couple other prospects for Halladay nonsense is a STL pipe dream.

[NonProfitCow]

I don't think Wallace is the greatest prospect in the world, but I think you guys are really underrating him. First round draft pick last year, labeled as the best pure hitter in the draft and already in AAA and doing well in a years time. They could probably get guys with higher upsides that haven't put anything together yet, but Wallace is about as close to a sure thing as you can get.

[XZero771679666304]

I don't think Wallace is the greatest prospect in the world, but I think you guys are really underrating him. First round draft pick last year, labeled as the best pure hitter in the draft and already in AAA and doing well in a years time. They could probably get guys with higher upsides that haven't put anything together yet, but Wallace is about as close to a sure thing as you can get.

 

I don't think you guys realize who Halladay is or how much leverage Ricciardi has if you think Wallace is going to get it done. This will cost whoever gets him considerably more than the Crew gave up for C.C. last year.

 

Wallace is good, but not much if any more than Matt LaPorta, who the Brewers had to give for 1/2 a season of C.C. in a deeper market.

 

At the very least, other teams will make better offers than a Brett Wallace centered package.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't think Wallace is the greatest prospect in the world, but I think you guys are really underrating him. First round draft pick last year, labeled as the best pure hitter in the draft and already in AAA and doing well in a years time. They could probably get guys with higher upsides that haven't put anything together yet, but Wallace is about as close to a sure thing as you can get.

 

A sure what?

[big_shooter17]

On a TSN sports break thing, they just said that Blue Jays upper management is saying that Halladay is not on the market and that they are going to look into signing an extension.

[NonProfitCow]

I don't think Wallace is the greatest prospect in the world, but I think you guys are really underrating him. First round draft pick last year, labeled as the best pure hitter in the draft and already in AAA and doing well in a years time. They could probably get guys with higher upsides that haven't put anything together yet, but Wallace is about as close to a sure thing as you can get.

 

A sure what?

hitter

[inari]

On a TSN sports break thing, they just said that Blue Jays upper management is saying that Halladay is not on the market and that they are going to look into signing an extension.

 

They can build the team around Halladay because they should. They'll build it around Wells and Rios because well, they pretty much have to.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.