Halladay all but gone from Toronto (or not)

[ManEatingTarp]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

And people are saying the Cardinals package with Wallace isn't enough? The Jays appear to be looking for MLB ready or near ready talent. Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc.

 

We ALL overvalue our team's prospects.

 

 

With all the Halladay talk, it's going to be interesting to see if a team swoops in and gets Cliff Lee.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

And people are saying the Cardinals package with Wallace isn't enough? The Jays appear to be looking for MLB ready or near ready talent. Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc.

 

We ALL overvalue our team's prospects.

 

 

With all the Halladay talk, it's going to be interesting to see if a team swoops in and gets Cliff Lee.

 

If the Indians are smart, theyd hang on to Lee. Granted, this year is a nighmare for them but they have the talent to come back next year and take that sickly division.

[jersey cubs fan]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

And people are saying the Cardinals package with Wallace isn't enough? The Jays appear to be looking for MLB ready or near ready talent. Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc.

 

We ALL overvalue our team's prospects.

 

 

With all the Halladay talk, it's going to be interesting to see if a team swoops in and gets Cliff Lee.

 

Marshall isn't just a guy. He's been a successful major league starter and the only reason he is in the bullpen is because Lou wants a lefty there. He should be a valuable trading chip. The perception may be that if he was really good he should be in the rotation, but the guy is an above average major league starting pitcher, 26 years old (about to turn 27).

 

Also, Cashner is probably major league ready for bullpen purposes. It's going to take time to have him be starting, but he could probably give a team quality innings in the bullpen this year.

[Jehrico]

Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc.

*cough* Randy Wells *cough* *cough*

 

Fox can hit at this level, going to the AL would be perfect for him. Fox and Wells should both be attractive to the Jays. I say sell high on them. At least make an offer that begins with that and see how far apart you are.

[Backtobanks]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

And people are saying the Cardinals package with Wallace isn't enough? The Jays appear to be looking for MLB ready or near ready talent. Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc.

 

We ALL overvalue our team's prospects.

 

 

With all the Halladay talk, it's going to be interesting to see if a team swoops in and gets Cliff Lee.

 

I'm not sure you can make that statement about most posters at NSBB. Everytime I read about our prospects they're referred to as "garbage", while every other team seems to have "can't miss" prospects headed to the HOF. BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

[JonJayCutler]

BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

 

I agree. I think Marshall, Vitters, and one of Cashner/Wells/Fox would be enough. That package is better than what the Mets gave Minnesota for Santana.

[dew1679666265]

BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

 

I agree. I think Marshall, Vitters, and one of Cashner/Wells/Fox would be enough. That package is better than what the Mets gave Minnesota for Santana.

 

The problem would be if a team like the Cardinals offered up someone like Colby Rasmus as the centerpiece of a package. I wouldn't give anymore than what you listed, but it could be beaten by a team offering a stud major league ready prospect.

[JonJayCutler]

BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

 

I agree. I think Marshall, Vitters, and one of Cashner/Wells/Fox would be enough. That package is better than what the Mets gave Minnesota for Santana.

 

The problem would be if a team like the Cardinals offered up someone like Colby Rasmus as the centerpiece of a package. I wouldn't give anymore than what you listed, but it could be beaten by a team offering a stud major league ready prospect.

 

This is true, and if that were the case, then I say let them have Halladay. I'm just not a fan of giving up stud everyday players for a starting pitcher who throws once every five games. Even though he might be the best starting pitcher in the game right now, at least in the AL.

[dew1679666265]

BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

 

I agree. I think Marshall, Vitters, and one of Cashner/Wells/Fox would be enough. That package is better than what the Mets gave Minnesota for Santana.

 

The problem would be if a team like the Cardinals offered up someone like Colby Rasmus as the centerpiece of a package. I wouldn't give anymore than what you listed, but it could be beaten by a team offering a stud major league ready prospect.

 

This is true, and if that were the case, then I say let them have Halladay. I'm just not a fan of giving up stud everyday players for a starting pitcher who throws once every five games. Even though he might be the best starting pitcher in the game right now, at least in the AL.

 

I agree, but I suspect if Halladay is moved it'll be because one of those teams relented and gave up the stud prospect that we can't match.

[XZero771679666304]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

No, it wouldn't be enough. Maybe if we were the only bidders, but someone is going to offer 2-3 good MLB ready players for Halladay.

[Guest]

BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

 

I agree. I think Marshall, Vitters, and one of Cashner/Wells/Fox would be enough. That package is better than what the Mets gave Minnesota for Santana.

 

Santana also wanted a huge extension from whatever team signed him which limited who the Twins could trade him two. Halladay, as of now, doesn't want that and has another year left on his deal (through 2010), which Santana didn't have. They're completely different situations.

[Maclowery]

I know its a moot point because we dont have the money right now, but would something like Marshall, Vitters, Castillo, and 2 of Jackson/Coleman/Carpenter/Cashner be enough to land Halladay? Maybe throw in Jake Fox or something of the like.

 

No, it wouldn't be enough. Maybe if we were the only bidders, but someone is going to offer 2-3 good MLB ready players for Halladay.

 

His NTC comes into play, as well, too. He seemed pretty vocal about wanting to play in a large market NL team. As a Cards guy, I obviously would love for us to get him, but I don't see it happening - especially after the latest twitter tweet (whatever the hell that stupid website wants to call them) stated that the Jays want Rasmus, and the Cards aren't budging. Anyway. I don't know much about what Halladay wants, personally.

 

Cards fans point out that he is close friends with Carpenter, and that he has talked about enjoying St. Louis. Again, I assume that's irrelevant, as the Jays have stated pretty clearly that they won't move him unless it's a great offer - and I don't think we have what they want. Other NL teams? The Dodgers could use a veteran ace, but I honestly don't know their MiLB stockpiles. Seems like the Phillies cast their dice with Pedro. So, basically, I'm really nervous that Halladay jumps to the Brewers, who have the talent to trade for him. I think the Brewers can afford to put together a better package than the Cubs can - and honestly, the Cubs staff is strong. Cards and Cubs both need batting more than pitching, specifically for the playoffs.

 

Basically, I'm hoping he either stays in Toronto, is traded to an AL team like the Angels or Rangers, or somehow magically becomes a Cardinal without us blowing our rather small stockpile of immediately tradeable MiLB assets. If I had to bet, I'd guess he stays in Toronto until the offseason, then is moved to the Angels.

[BCVM22]

So, basically, I'm really nervous that Halladay jumps to the Brewers, who have the talent to trade for him. I think the Brewers can afford to put together a better package than the Cubs can

 

If the Brewers want to annually trade their best prospects for rental pitchers, let them. Make no mistake, Halladay would pitch well and keep the Brewers in contention for the year and a half that he's on the team and then he'll hem and haw over how great an experience it was to play in Milwaukee and hit up all of the city's best all-you-can-eateries with Prince Fielder and how he's "considering the Brewers' offer" and then bolt for big-payday free agency as soon as he can.

 

It helps everyone else in the division for a smaller-market, smaller-payroll team to continually give up their best prospects for a player who won't be with the team long-term, particularly when that player would be owed nearly $16 million in 2010, nearly 1/5 of what will likely be an $80 million-ish payroll.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So, basically, I'm really nervous that Halladay jumps to the Brewers, who have the talent to trade for him. I think the Brewers can afford to put together a better package than the Cubs can

 

If the Brewers want to annually trade their best prospects for rental pitchers, let them. Make no mistake, Halladay would pitch well and keep the Brewers in contention for the year and a half that he's on the team and then he'll hem and haw over how great an experience it was to play in Milwaukee and hit up all of the city's best all-you-can-eateries with Prince Fielder and how he's "considering the Brewers' offer" and then bolt for big-payday free agency as soon as he can.

 

It helps everyone else in the division for a smaller-market, smaller-payroll team to continually give up their best prospects for a player who won't be with the team long-term, particularly when that player would be owed nearly $16 million in 2010, nearly 1/5 of what will likely be an $80 million-ish payroll.

 

Plus, Halladay gives the Cardinals a great pitching staff, where hed give the Brewers a decent-good pitching staff. Halladay and Gallardo would be a great 1-2, but then they still have to patch together 3 more starters with what they have.

[Guest]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

[ManEatingTarp]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Yeah, I don't think money is the key issue. They're gonna draw over 3 million this year. Plus the All-Star money. Plus what they would make by being in the playoffs etc. That and they have a lot of money coming off the books after the season. They can absorb the 7 and 15 Mil. The problem is giving up the years of lower cost controllable talent. So I guess money does factor in that way.

I still think Halladay makes them a WS contender so I'm all for it as long as Rasmus isn't included.

[RedVerbs]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Trading a potential All-star center fielder that you have in your possession for the next 5 years, for a 32 year old starting pitcher who you only control for 1 year and 3 months, isn't a good way to build a team.

 

I'd trade him for Wallace, Jones and anyone else they wanted in the minors, if it would be enough. Not sure it is. By time the deadline rolls around, the price tag of prospects may drop a little. Maybe.

[illiniguy]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Trading a potential All-star center fielder that you have in your possession for the next 5 years, for a 32 year old starting pitcher who you only control for 1 year and 3 months, isn't a good way to build a team.

 

I'd trade him for Wallace, Jones and anyone else they wanted in the minors, if it would be enough. Not sure it is. By time the deadline rolls around, the price tag of prospects may drop a little. Maybe.

It could. I still think he's gonna be a Ranger. They have a ton of prospects they could give up for him. Hell a package of Smoak, Feliz, and a throw in should get it done and most teams can't match that.

[RedVerbs]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Trading a potential All-star center fielder that you have in your possession for the next 5 years, for a 32 year old starting pitcher who you only control for 1 year and 3 months, isn't a good way to build a team.

 

I'd trade him for Wallace, Jones and anyone else they wanted in the minors, if it would be enough. Not sure it is. By time the deadline rolls around, the price tag of prospects may drop a little. Maybe.

It could. I still think he's gonna be a Ranger. They have a ton of prospects they could give up for him. Hell a package of Smoak, Feliz, and a throw in should get it done and most teams can't match that.

 

Rangers seem like an excellent fit, and they definitely have the prospects. I'm not sure how their money situation is, though. Does Halladay have a no trade clause? I wonder if he'd want to pitch in that home ball park? He's great enough that it shouldn't matter, but still.

[shnsajax]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Trading a potential All-star center fielder that you have in your possession for the next 5 years, for a 32 year old starting pitcher who you only control for 1 year and 3 months, isn't a good way to build a team.

 

I'd trade him for Wallace, Jones and anyone else they wanted in the minors, if it would be enough. Not sure it is. By time the deadline rolls around, the price tag of prospects may drop a little. Maybe.

It could. I still think he's gonna be a Ranger. They have a ton of prospects they could give up for him. Hell a package of Smoak, Feliz, and a throw in should get it done and most teams can't match that.

 

Rangers seem like an excellent fit, and they definitely have the prospects. I'm not sure how their money situation is, though. Does Halladay have a no trade clause? I wonder if he'd want to pitch in that home ball park? He's great enough that it shouldn't matter, but still.

 

I think the Rangers are the perfect fit. They do have money if they choose to spend it. In all likelihood Blalock will be gone next year freeing up some more for them. For me the biggest question is do they want to give up the prospects its going to take to get him. They have done probably the best job in baseball the past 3 years in loading up their farm system. Giving up Feliz and/or Smoak for Halladay is a tough call for a young team that has a great future. To me the Rangers are built for next year and beyond not this season.

[davearm2]

Rangers seem like an excellent fit, and they definitely have the prospects. I'm not sure how their money situation is, though. Does Halladay have a no trade clause? I wonder if he'd want to pitch in that home ball park? He's great enough that it shouldn't matter, but still.

 

I think the Rangers are the perfect fit. They do have money if they choose to spend it. In all likelihood Blalock will be gone next year freeing up some more for them. For me the biggest question is do they want to give up the prospects its going to take to get him. They have done probably the best job in baseball the past 3 years in loading up their farm system. Giving up Feliz and/or Smoak for Halladay is a tough call for a young team that has a great future. To me the Rangers are built for next year and beyond not this season.

The Rangers are not the perfect fit. In fact they'd probably be the first team you can scratch off the list.

 

Rangers borrow money from MLB

 

No team taking loans from MLB in order to meet payroll is adding Roy Halladay.

[rocket]

Don't the Cardinals draw well? It seems like they could afford Halladay's paycheck. I really can't believe that they would not do this trade over Rasmus.

 

Trading a potential All-star center fielder that you have in your possession for the next 5 years, for a 32 year old starting pitcher who you only control for 1 year and 3 months, isn't a good way to build a team.

 

I'd trade him for Wallace, Jones and anyone else they wanted in the minors, if it would be enough. Not sure it is. By time the deadline rolls around, the price tag of prospects may drop a little. Maybe.

It could. I still think he's gonna be a Ranger. They have a ton of prospects they could give up for him. Hell a package of Smoak, Feliz, and a throw in should get it done and most teams can't match that.

 

 

 

Rangers seem like an excellent fit, and they definitely have the prospects. I'm not sure how their money situation is, though. Does Halladay have a no trade clause? I wonder if he'd want to pitch in that home ball park? He's great enough that it shouldn't matter, but still.

 

halladay should have 10/5 rights.

[ELCABALLO45]

More Doc stuff

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11969593/rss

[shnsajax]

More Doc stuff

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11969593/rss

 

I like how that article says JJ Hardy could be available in the right deal. Its like the Cubs saying Fontanot could be available if thats what it took to get Halladay.

[Little Slide Rooter]

More Doc stuff

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11969593/rss

 

I like how that article says JJ Hardy could be available in the right deal. Its like the Cubs saying Fontanot could be available if thats what it took to get Halladay.

 

Jays want top prospects, not a guy wose going to be arb eligible next year. If the Brewers really want Halladay, they need to stop talking Gamel OR Escobar, its going to be an AND, plus Parra.